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[Faux pas]

1. Maybe they don't trust

the Chicago police?

[irisblue]

2. CPD doesn't treat POC too well. I can understand his hesitancy

[Ex Lurker]

3. Definitely understand that, but

right now, there's not much else to go on. All they have is a picture of two bundled up people who may or may not have had anything to do with it. I don't think this gets solved unless they come up with some more leads.

[Takket]

10. Yeah I saw that picture

That could literally be any two people on Earth. Pretty much useless.

[uponit7771]

4. Why are they trying to prove who Jussie was on the phone with?! Who cares?! Seems strange they would

... request THIS type of info.

[redstatebluegirl]

5. He is black and gay plus it is the CPD.

[uponit7771]

7. Ah .. figures

[Ms. Toad]

6. I believe that Moore reported hearing a scuffle and some of the racial epithets

Through the phone.

Innocent explanation:. Trying to determine the exact time of the attack.

Less innocent:. Trying to prove Smollet and Moore are lying, by proving they were not on the phone so Moore could not have heard an attack. (I.e. victim blaming. Prove you were really attacked).

[DeminPennswoods]

34. Yes, Smollett said he was on his cell phone

with his manager at the time of the attack. The manager said he heard some of what the attackers said.

[former9thward]

11. Not strange at all.

If he was attacked while on the phone things would be said and heard. The other person could give information. It would also show he was on the phone at the time. The only thing strange is the refusal to show the phone. Other strange thing is the demand that responding police officers turn their body cams OFF before he would talk to them. He wanted no answer recorded. Why?

[uponit7771]

12. K they show phone recs & were talking at the time, what does that prove?! How does that progress ...

... this matter at all outside of confirmation that they WERE talking which is a known known CURRENTLY ?!

The person who Jussie was talking to already has confirmed some of his account no?

tia

[former9thward]

14. There is no confirmation they were talking.

That is what the phones would prove. Why are now Both men refusing to release their phones and cooperate?

[uponit7771]

17. It was hypothetical question, if they DID show they were talking at the same time how does

... that progress this matter !?!?

The person Jussie was talking to has already confirmed parts of Jussie account no?!

If they confirm they were talking to each other via phone records then what !?

What other question out side of "do we trust these people" get answered seeing the other person who Jussie was talking to has already given some account ?

thx in advance

[former9thward]

18. There are video cameras everywhere where the actor was.

They have him on video from the time he left the hotel to the time he came back. Only 60 seconds is missing. The attack would have to happened in that 60 seconds. They want to know if he was on the phone in that 60 second period that he claimed he was.

[uponit7771]

20. That doesn't answer the question, other than 'no he's not lying' what questions does

.. all this answer?!?

I'm starting to think folk don't believe him ... ie the questions about the phone call timing.

Some bullshit ... Unless they can prove that he wasn't attacked at all this is some bullshit.

[former9thward]

23. I live in Chicago.

No one here believes him. Too many holes in the story. Radio stations are doing comedy stories on his claim.

[EffieBlack]

31. May I ask if you're white or a POC?

And if you're white, whether you spend a lot of time with black Chicagoans or in the black community.

I'll understand if you don't want to answer since it's not really any of my business ... but just trying to understand your frame of reference for saying no one in Chicago believes him.

[DorothyG]

13. Body cam OFF? Seriously? They are for everyone's protection.

I hadn't seen that info yet.

[EffieBlack]

25. If I were a celebrity in this situation, I might not want the body cams on either

The last thing I'd want is for video footage of me at my worst and most vulnerable moments to "accidentally" turn up on TMZ.

I don't know if that's the explanation, just pointing out that this is not necessarily a suspicious thing.

[DorothyG]

8. I certainly understand his fear.

Though I, and presumably everyone else, wants to see the perps not merely caught but prosecuted. Timely collection of data will be important to his case should these scumbags see the inside of a courtroom.

[displacedtexan]

9. There's no telling what else may be in his phone.

If he has a contact labeled Drug Dealer or Hooker, he may not want the CPD to have that info. And it has nothing to do with his attack. Of course, the CPD could use that info to discredit his claims, charge with with bogus drug or hooker crimes, or even harass every one on his contact list. Plus, they could always sell the info to TMZ.

[EffieBlack]

15. Why would they need him to turn over his phone to confirm if he was talking with someone?

Couldn't the police simply get his phone records from the phone carrier?

[PragmaticLiberal]

16. Yes, they could.

They would have to get a court order in order to view those records.

[former9thward]

19. Why is both the manager and the actor refusing to turn over their phones?

You call the police and then refuse to cooperate with them?

[uponit7771]

21. I wish everyone in American society can trust all police equally

... what we've seen in certain cities and jurisdictions the police are unprofessional and thuggish as the criminals

[EffieBlack]

22. I'd be reluctant to turn my phone over to the police - especially in Chicago

I can certainly understand why they wouldn't want to do it.

Everyone doesn't have the same degree of trust in the police in this America, even when seeking their help.

[former9thward]

24. If you are not going to cooperate with a police investigation

then why call them in the first place?

[EffieBlack]

26. He's cooperating. But he doesn't have to do everything they ask him to do.

As I said, everyone doesn't have good reason to trust the police to the point of going along with everything they ask in order to "cooperate."

[former9thward]

28. No, he is not cooperating.

He never called the police. His manager did 40 minutes after the alleged attack. Both the manager and the actor have refused to give their cellphones to the police. When the actor was questioned he demanded the police body cams and recorders be turned off. That is not cooperation in any sense.

[EffieBlack]

29. Turning over his phone does not do one thing to help the police track down the perpetrators

The only reason to ask is if the police feel they need to "confirm" that Smollett's manager was actually on the phone at the time, which has nothing to do with solving a crime.

I'm wondering why the police released that piece of information in the first place. Why are they publicly discussing what Smollett is and isn't agreeing to do in connection with the investigation?

I have no idea whether Smollett is telling the truth. But not turning over his phone doesn't make me suspicious.

[uponit7771]

30. RIGHT !!! I've been asking what does confirming he was on the phone with the manager at the time

... prove and that's not getting an answer.

There are reasons for PoC in Chi not to trust the CPD

[ecstatic]

33. I hope you're not serious. He's not a criminal or suspect

Why the f*ck should he turn in his phone--basically his entire identity--to the cops? As stated earlier, the cops can get phone records through normal channels.

And leaking this info is not a good look.

[Beakybird]

27. I have a feeling this is a hoax, and I had it from the beginning.

There are thousands of attacks on people of color and LBTG people. This one made me suspicious. Don't know why.

[ecstatic]

32. Um, no.👎

[DeminPennswoods]

35. This is all very odd

There must be security cameras everywhere, yet no video of the attack has emerged, just a video of 2 people completely obscured by winter whether clothing in the area around the time of the incident.

Didn't this attack occur right outside a Subway shop? If so, didn't the employees see or hear anything? Even in Chicago, it's probably quiet enough at 2AM to hear a scuffle nearby.

He was in the hospital and obviously hurt, but, IDK, something just seems off.