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Rick Wilson on Mueller's statement (Original Post) Lotusflower70 Jan 2019 OP
Right wingers having orgasms over this. Kingofalldems Jan 2019 #1
Rick Wilson is a right-winger oberliner Jan 2019 #5
Not compared to others. Kingofalldems Jan 2019 #6
lol, and you support birthers like tweeden JI7 Jan 2019 #10
I trust obnoxiousdrunk Jan 2019 #18
I love your Hot Takes emulatorloo Jan 2019 #27
He's about 110% anti-trump. I wouldn't say he's a "right-winger", he has been quite centrist... George II Jan 2019 #28
Im sorry, but rightly so brettdale Jan 2019 #9
Agreed. Fuzzpope Jan 2019 #20
Huge damage done to who? It isn't to the Mueller investigation, it is to BuzzFeed still_one Jan 2019 #26
I didn't say, did I? Fuzzpope Jan 2019 #31
No doubts here, either. The statement doesn't say it's false or incorrect, just that... George II Jan 2019 #30
Let 'em. Iggo Jan 2019 #38
To be fair, we had orgasms over the original article. Kablooie Jan 2019 #39
'wordsmithed statement' empedocles Jan 2019 #2
Sounds like a Whitaker comment to me... BluegrassDem Jan 2019 #3
This feeds into their "Fake News" narrative. musicblind Jan 2019 #4
True, it's frustrating. Although Trumpers also run with nothing. VOX Jan 2019 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Jan 2019 #7
People shouldn't have gotten excited about BuzzFeed story, including me. BUT, it's laughable for Hoyt Jan 2019 #8
People at DU, in particular, should have been dubious of anything by Jason Leopold oberliner Jan 2019 #11
We all want trump busted, and it's so easy to believe trump told Cohen to lie and worse. Hoyt Jan 2019 #12
Exactly oberliner Jan 2019 #14
Mueller has acted like the press don't exist. Until today. Recursion Jan 2019 #13
Not good. Mueller's sticking up for trump on this makes me wonder whether trump is in Hoyt Jan 2019 #15
I have said many times Mueller is a REPUBLICAN and I don't trust him helpisontheway Jan 2019 #23
Gives me pause too. I trusted Fitzgerald right up til the end, too. Nothing. nt Hoyt Jan 2019 #24
+1, I'm not putting that much faith in Mueller uponit7771 Jan 2019 #33
Why couldn't the Democratic leadership exboyfil Jan 2019 #16
By extension, everything else that has been reported Cosmocat Jan 2019 #29
Breathe bdamomma Jan 2019 #17
Just a little damage control, I'm sure the orange hitler has been threatening to FIRE THEM ALL!!! nt mastermind Jan 2019 #21
That's close to my first reaction - Mueller's office didn't say the report was "false", but... George II Jan 2019 #22
We'll, I hope TimeToGo Jan 2019 #25
Breathing. Cha Jan 2019 #32
Agree with Wilson DeminPennswoods Jan 2019 #34
What about "say nothing" ? Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2019 #40
Saying nothing is tantamount to agreeing DeminPennswoods Jan 2019 #41
"Characterization" Sticks Out Like A Sore Thumb DallasNE Jan 2019 #35
Mueller wants us to know that he didn't leak the story - that is all FakeNoose Jan 2019 #36
Let the RW celebrate. It doesn't change the facts, and Trump's fall will hurt even MORE... NurseJackie Jan 2019 #37
K & R Duppers Jan 2019 #42

emulatorloo

(44,124 posts)
27. I love your Hot Takes
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 10:28 PM
Jan 2019


Seriously! Thanks for posting

Rick Wilson is an anti-Trumper. He’s not part of secret plot to protect Trump.

George II

(67,782 posts)
28. He's about 110% anti-trump. I wouldn't say he's a "right-winger", he has been quite centrist...
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 10:29 PM
Jan 2019

...in his views over the last few years.

 

Fuzzpope

(602 posts)
31. I didn't say, did I?
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 10:37 PM
Jan 2019

"Trump's attorney Rudy Giuliani praised Mueller for issuing the disputing statement, and accused the press of showing bias against Trump in its coverage of the BuzzFeed report.
"I commend Bob Mueller's office for correcting the BuzzFeed false story that Pres. Trump encouraged Cohen to lie," he tweeted. "I ask the press to take heed that their hysterical desire to destroy this President has gone too far. They pursued this without critical analysis all day. #FAKENEWS"
Donald Trump Jr., the President's son, tweeted his reaction to Mueller's office's statement with a slew of cartoon smiling faces that were crying with laughter, as well as a thumbs up sign.
The President did not immediately respond to the statement, but he began retweeting supporters who were reveling in the statement."

If you are unable to extrapolate how this aids Trump and damages us, I don't know what to tell you.

What a shitty day, goodnight.

George II

(67,782 posts)
30. No doubts here, either. The statement doesn't say it's false or incorrect, just that...
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 10:37 PM
Jan 2019

...."characterizations are inaccurate". We don't know how inaccurate. Here's the complete statement:

"BuzzFeed’s description of specific statements to the Special Counsel’s Office, and characterization of documents and testimony obtained by this office, regarding Michael Cohen’s Congressional testimony are not accurate."

The "description of specific statements" are not accurate, not necessarily the specific statements themselves.

"Characterization of documents and testimony" are not accurate, not necessarily the documents and testimony themselves.

Nowhere in that statement does it say that the content of the article are false or incorrect, just a vague implication that the way the facts were presented are "not accurate".

That's a very carefully written statement. I wouldn't be surprised if it was directed more to trump than the general public.

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
39. To be fair, we had orgasms over the original article.
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 11:31 PM
Jan 2019

But the right wing obsession with protecting and glorifying crime and treason is disgusting.

 

BluegrassDem

(1,693 posts)
3. Sounds like a Whitaker comment to me...
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 09:10 PM
Jan 2019

It took Trump and the WH a whole 24 hours before responding to this, and NOW the statement comes out from Mueller. I think that the WH forced Whitaker to make Mueller put out some statement to refute this and it was a bland rebuttal as Wilson noted.

musicblind

(4,484 posts)
4. This feeds into their "Fake News" narrative.
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 09:10 PM
Jan 2019

All Trumpers need is a sliver of doubt and they will run with it.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
19. True, it's frustrating. Although Trumpers also run with nothing.
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 09:39 PM
Jan 2019

Truth, lies, urban legends— it doesn’t matter to Trumpers. They’re a fighting cult, and the closer the rule of law gets to their Neanderthal figurehead, the harder they will battle.

Response to Lotusflower70 (Original post)

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
8. People shouldn't have gotten excited about BuzzFeed story, including me. BUT, it's laughable for
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 09:16 PM
Jan 2019

media to twist itself in a pretzel trying to keep the story going.

Time for Mueller to present what he has in a preliminary report.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
11. People at DU, in particular, should have been dubious of anything by Jason Leopold
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 09:18 PM
Jan 2019

Given the history.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
12. We all want trump busted, and it's so easy to believe trump told Cohen to lie and worse.
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 09:21 PM
Jan 2019

But this ain't good.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
13. Mueller has acted like the press don't exist. Until today.
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 09:23 PM
Jan 2019

This is an absolute fucking fiasco, and it's hiding your head in the sand to pretend otherwise.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
15. Not good. Mueller's sticking up for trump on this makes me wonder whether trump is in
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 09:31 PM
Jan 2019

as much trouble as we want to believe.

helpisontheway

(5,008 posts)
23. I have said many times Mueller is a REPUBLICAN and I don't trust him
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 10:04 PM
Jan 2019

The fact that he is good friends with Barr should give people some doubt.

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
16. Why couldn't the Democratic leadership
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 09:32 PM
Jan 2019

had been forceful in saying that the important thing is what Mueller or Congress discovers. Any news agency can be fooled (see CBS and the Killian memo). I said this morning that this reminded of the Killian memo - a story so good that it might be a plant.

Get ahead of the story instead of reacting to it. Same for the other media outlets. Don't rush into the fire.

You are right it is a disaster.

George II

(67,782 posts)
22. That's close to my first reaction - Mueller's office didn't say the report was "false", but...
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 09:58 PM
Jan 2019

...."not accurate". Who knows, what trump did with Cohen was worse than the buzz feed account. "Not accurate" could mean that trump DEMANDED that Cohen lie.

As Wilson says, it's the "characterization" of the facts that they dispute, not the actual content.

TimeToGo

(1,366 posts)
25. We'll, I hope
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 10:22 PM
Jan 2019

Last edited Fri Jan 18, 2019, 11:01 PM - Edit history (1)

But this is the comment:

BuzzFeed's description of specific statements to the Special Counsel’s Office, and characterization of documents and testimony obtained by this office, regarding Michael Cohen’s Congressional testimony are not accurate." Emphasis added.

I think we need to wait and see what happens the next day or so.

My hope is that it is wordsmithing or that there's something worse. Buzzfeed is sticking with the story.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
34. Agree with Wilson
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 10:49 PM
Jan 2019

There were several options for Mueller.

Opt 1) Say the Buzzfeed report was flat-out wrong. But that essentially would clear Trump of any wrongdoing.

Opt 2) Confirm the Buzzfeed report. But that might reveal too much, too soon of the investigation.

Opt 3) Wordsmith a response that dances around the reporting implying it's not correct and throwing the reporters off the scent.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
41. Saying nothing is tantamount to agreeing
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 04:39 AM
Jan 2019

That, imho, would put Mueller's entire investigation in jeopardy as the intensity for impeachment ramps (as we saw when the story broke) up until it happens. Then Mueller's effectively out of business. Again, imho, the special counsel has more to investigate and doesn't want to be derailed at this time. The problem is that the criminal and counterintelligence parts of the investigation are so intertwined that's it's nearly impossible to seperate the two.

Issuing such a convoluted, very carefully worded statement when a short, one sentence, "this story is completely inaccurate" response would do says a lot, imho. Buzzfeed's editor was on with Maddow and said that the special counsel had sent over transcripts of Cohen's Congressional testimony, so they didn't just ignore the story. They certainly could have told Buzzfeed the story was not accurate or completely accurate when it was described to them, corrected them or asked Buzzfeed not to publish. They did none of those and waited a day to issue any kind of statement at all.

It's hard to believe that the information gathered as part of the search warrants issued for Cohen's home, office and business didn't sweep up incriminating evidence in various written and electronic forms. Cohen had something like 16 phones/blackberrys. We know there was a subsequenst supoena issued to the Trump Organization for records as well. Cohen has testified under oath at his sentencing hearing that Trump personally directed him to make hush money payments. We know that Trump was the target of a counterintelligence operation started 2+ years ago. We know there are pages and pages of redacted material in the indictments and sentencing memos. I suspect Buzzfeed was able to put all these pieces together.

As for the sources, there aren't just attorneys and FBI agents involved in these cases. There are tangential people, too. The description of the sources being "read into" the investigation stuck out to me. Being "read into" something that's classified means you have a need to be able to see, hear or handle some aspect of, but are not necessarily involved in everything. Think about all the people making copies of evidence, collating evidence, providing documents to defendents during discovery, entering data into electronic court databases, typing indictments and so on. Don't forget defense teams know what evidence the gov't has on their client(s) as well as what was was seized from search warrants. That's plenty of potential leak points.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
35. "Characterization" Sticks Out Like A Sore Thumb
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 10:53 PM
Jan 2019

Are they confirming that the basic data is accurate but that the conclusion on what the data means is flawed. That was my first reading on the statement then I saw you also zeroed in on that word so we're clearly on the same page - and I'm sure we aren't the only two that picked up on this.

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
36. Mueller wants us to know that he didn't leak the story - that is all
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 10:56 PM
Jan 2019

The BuzzFeed reporter got the story from somewhere else, not Mueller. Maybe he got it from SDNY, who knows? The important thing is that Mueller didn't deny the story. To me it looks like he's trying to take heat off of Michael Cohen, maybe because Cheeto is threatening his father-in-law.

Calm down and chill out. Have a glass of wine.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
37. Let the RW celebrate. It doesn't change the facts, and Trump's fall will hurt even MORE...
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 11:05 PM
Jan 2019

... when it finally comes.

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