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(38,458 posts)The truth will out though. I have no doubt the story is true.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)His twitter bio says: "GOP Media Guy"
Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)He's anti Trump and DOES NOT attack anyone who is critical of Trump.
JI7
(89,250 posts)obnoxiousdrunk
(2,910 posts)Rick on this. Just breathe...
emulatorloo
(44,124 posts)Seriously! Thanks for posting
Rick Wilson is an anti-Trumper. Hes not part of secret plot to protect Trump.
George II
(67,782 posts)...in his views over the last few years.
brettdale
(12,381 posts)It plays into Trump lies, this is terrible reporting.
Huge damage done.
still_one
(92,192 posts)Fuzzpope
(602 posts)"Trump's attorney Rudy Giuliani praised Mueller for issuing the disputing statement, and accused the press of showing bias against Trump in its coverage of the BuzzFeed report.
"I commend Bob Mueller's office for correcting the BuzzFeed false story that Pres. Trump encouraged Cohen to lie," he tweeted. "I ask the press to take heed that their hysterical desire to destroy this President has gone too far. They pursued this without critical analysis all day. #FAKENEWS"
Donald Trump Jr., the President's son, tweeted his reaction to Mueller's office's statement with a slew of cartoon smiling faces that were crying with laughter, as well as a thumbs up sign.
The President did not immediately respond to the statement, but he began retweeting supporters who were reveling in the statement."
If you are unable to extrapolate how this aids Trump and damages us, I don't know what to tell you.
What a shitty day, goodnight.
George II
(67,782 posts)...."characterizations are inaccurate". We don't know how inaccurate. Here's the complete statement:
"BuzzFeeds description of specific statements to the Special Counsels Office, and characterization of documents and testimony obtained by this office, regarding Michael Cohens Congressional testimony are not accurate."
The "description of specific statements" are not accurate, not necessarily the specific statements themselves.
"Characterization of documents and testimony" are not accurate, not necessarily the documents and testimony themselves.
Nowhere in that statement does it say that the content of the article are false or incorrect, just a vague implication that the way the facts were presented are "not accurate".
That's a very carefully written statement. I wouldn't be surprised if it was directed more to trump than the general public.
Iggo
(47,553 posts)It's coming.
Kablooie
(18,634 posts)But the right wing obsession with protecting and glorifying crime and treason is disgusting.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)artfully characterized.
BluegrassDem
(1,693 posts)It took Trump and the WH a whole 24 hours before responding to this, and NOW the statement comes out from Mueller. I think that the WH forced Whitaker to make Mueller put out some statement to refute this and it was a bland rebuttal as Wilson noted.
musicblind
(4,484 posts)All Trumpers need is a sliver of doubt and they will run with it.
VOX
(22,976 posts)Truth, lies, urban legends it doesnt matter to Trumpers. Theyre a fighting cult, and the closer the rule of law gets to their Neanderthal figurehead, the harder they will battle.
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Hoyt
(54,770 posts)media to twist itself in a pretzel trying to keep the story going.
Time for Mueller to present what he has in a preliminary report.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Given the history.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)But this ain't good.
Very similar to the Rove story from 2006.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)This is an absolute fucking fiasco, and it's hiding your head in the sand to pretend otherwise.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)as much trouble as we want to believe.
helpisontheway
(5,008 posts)The fact that he is good friends with Barr should give people some doubt.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)uponit7771
(90,339 posts)exboyfil
(17,863 posts)had been forceful in saying that the important thing is what Mueller or Congress discovers. Any news agency can be fooled (see CBS and the Killian memo). I said this morning that this reminded of the Killian memo - a story so good that it might be a plant.
Get ahead of the story instead of reacting to it. Same for the other media outlets. Don't rush into the fire.
You are right it is a disaster.
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)Should be accurate then...
bdamomma
(63,849 posts)good advice.
mastermind
(229 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...."not accurate". Who knows, what trump did with Cohen was worse than the buzz feed account. "Not accurate" could mean that trump DEMANDED that Cohen lie.
As Wilson says, it's the "characterization" of the facts that they dispute, not the actual content.
TimeToGo
(1,366 posts)Last edited Fri Jan 18, 2019, 11:01 PM - Edit history (1)
But this is the comment:
BuzzFeed's description of specific statements to the Special Counsels Office, and characterization of documents and testimony obtained by this office, regarding Michael Cohens Congressional testimony are not accurate." Emphasis added.
I think we need to wait and see what happens the next day or so.
My hope is that it is wordsmithing or that there's something worse. Buzzfeed is sticking with the story.
Cha
(297,240 posts)DeminPennswoods
(15,286 posts)There were several options for Mueller.
Opt 1) Say the Buzzfeed report was flat-out wrong. But that essentially would clear Trump of any wrongdoing.
Opt 2) Confirm the Buzzfeed report. But that might reveal too much, too soon of the investigation.
Opt 3) Wordsmith a response that dances around the reporting implying it's not correct and throwing the reporters off the scent.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)DeminPennswoods
(15,286 posts)That, imho, would put Mueller's entire investigation in jeopardy as the intensity for impeachment ramps (as we saw when the story broke) up until it happens. Then Mueller's effectively out of business. Again, imho, the special counsel has more to investigate and doesn't want to be derailed at this time. The problem is that the criminal and counterintelligence parts of the investigation are so intertwined that's it's nearly impossible to seperate the two.
Issuing such a convoluted, very carefully worded statement when a short, one sentence, "this story is completely inaccurate" response would do says a lot, imho. Buzzfeed's editor was on with Maddow and said that the special counsel had sent over transcripts of Cohen's Congressional testimony, so they didn't just ignore the story. They certainly could have told Buzzfeed the story was not accurate or completely accurate when it was described to them, corrected them or asked Buzzfeed not to publish. They did none of those and waited a day to issue any kind of statement at all.
It's hard to believe that the information gathered as part of the search warrants issued for Cohen's home, office and business didn't sweep up incriminating evidence in various written and electronic forms. Cohen had something like 16 phones/blackberrys. We know there was a subsequenst supoena issued to the Trump Organization for records as well. Cohen has testified under oath at his sentencing hearing that Trump personally directed him to make hush money payments. We know that Trump was the target of a counterintelligence operation started 2+ years ago. We know there are pages and pages of redacted material in the indictments and sentencing memos. I suspect Buzzfeed was able to put all these pieces together.
As for the sources, there aren't just attorneys and FBI agents involved in these cases. There are tangential people, too. The description of the sources being "read into" the investigation stuck out to me. Being "read into" something that's classified means you have a need to be able to see, hear or handle some aspect of, but are not necessarily involved in everything. Think about all the people making copies of evidence, collating evidence, providing documents to defendents during discovery, entering data into electronic court databases, typing indictments and so on. Don't forget defense teams know what evidence the gov't has on their client(s) as well as what was was seized from search warrants. That's plenty of potential leak points.
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)Are they confirming that the basic data is accurate but that the conclusion on what the data means is flawed. That was my first reading on the statement then I saw you also zeroed in on that word so we're clearly on the same page - and I'm sure we aren't the only two that picked up on this.
FakeNoose
(32,639 posts)The BuzzFeed reporter got the story from somewhere else, not Mueller. Maybe he got it from SDNY, who knows? The important thing is that Mueller didn't deny the story. To me it looks like he's trying to take heat off of Michael Cohen, maybe because Cheeto is threatening his father-in-law.
Calm down and chill out. Have a glass of wine.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... when it finally comes.
Duppers
(28,120 posts)+100