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Sat Jan 5, 2019, 08:41 AM

LBM20 (1,580 posts)

 

Impeachment with no chance of winning is like betting on a little league team beating the Red Sox.

To rush headlong into impeachment proceedings without MASSIVE public support and extremely clear evidence of high crimes is a ridiculous and DUMB fool's errand that will only fire up the R's, make them come out and vote in huge numbers, and hurt Dems in a big way.

We need Muelller's full report showing extremely clear evidence of VERY serious crimes. We need MASSIVE public support for it. We need some REPUBLICANS willing to support it. Remember, they have the Senate which needs a supermajority to vote for removal from office. Obviously we have NONE of this yet. And we may never have it. So let's just SLOW DOWN.

Dems were elected on healthcare, jobs, infrastructure, and education. THAT is where the FOCUS needs to be! And that is the FOCUS Nancy Pelosi is INSISTING upon and good for HER!

Trump will hang himself as he is already doing. Let him keep hanging himself. Beat him and R's AT THE VOTING BOOTH. We need to GOVERN, keep building the party, and keep WINNING ELECTIONS.

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Reply Impeachment with no chance of winning is like betting on a little league team beating the Red Sox. (Original post)
 LBM20 Jan 2019 OP
LineReply no support to "rush" into anything. We need the evidence and hearings to start and Mueller's
 beachbum bob Jan 2019 #1
LineLineReply Yup. Sure, Trump is a mega-asshat, but rushed impeachment proceedings is DUMB.
 LBM20 Jan 2019 #2
LineLineLineReply media will focus on this talk to help marginalize when we get to the point
 beachbum bob Jan 2019 #3
LineLineLineReply Except that a vote in the Senate will put all of the repubs on record.
 panader0 Jan 2019 #5
LineReply While some of what you say is valid, there is another side to the coin:
 Atticus Jan 2019 #4
LineLineReply Yes. Good and bad to both sides. But adding
 Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2019 #9
LineReply The Democrats will absolutely move on this...
 Zoonart Jan 2019 #6
LineReply Getting tired of this argument
 jberryhill Jan 2019 #7
LineLineReply Juries aren't polled but prosecutors don't bring cases until they've
 EffieBlack Jan 2019 #8
LineLineNew Reply Good point. I have often thought too that the process
 Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2019 #10
LineLineNew Reply Thank you.
 GeorgeGist Jan 2019 #11
LineLineNew Reply AMEN!!
 uponit7771 Jan 2019 #17
LineNew Reply And yet 80% of Americans would love to see a little league team beat the fucking Red Sux.
 stopbush Jan 2019 #12
LineLineNew Reply And 100% of Americans would love to see a little league team beat the fucking Stinkees.
 edbermac Jan 2019 #14
LineLineNew Reply right ?!
 uponit7771 Jan 2019 #18
LineNew Reply There is no choice....
 albacore Jan 2019 #13
LineNew Reply Illogical argument.
 honest.abe Jan 2019 #15
LineNew Reply Red Sox are overrated anyway
 Blue_Tires Jan 2019 #16
LineNew Reply Speaker Pelosi...
 tonedevil Jan 2019 #19

Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 09:06 AM

beachbum bob (10,437 posts)

1. no support to "rush" into anything. We need the evidence and hearings to start and Mueller's

 

report made public when it is issued


we have way more imortant issues to deal with as a president is trying to be a tyrant

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Sat Jan 5, 2019, 09:23 AM

LBM20 (1,580 posts)

2. Yup. Sure, Trump is a mega-asshat, but rushed impeachment proceedings is DUMB.

 

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Sat Jan 5, 2019, 09:24 AM

beachbum bob (10,437 posts)

3. media will focus on this talk to help marginalize when we get to the point

 

never forget who the media works for and its not for the american people

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Sat Jan 5, 2019, 09:37 AM

Star Member panader0 (25,816 posts)

5. Except that a vote in the Senate will put all of the repubs on record.

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Sat Jan 5, 2019, 09:35 AM

Atticus (15,124 posts)

4. While some of what you say is valid, there is another side to the coin:

Refusal to impeach unless conviction is 100% guaranteed is cowardice.

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Sat Jan 5, 2019, 10:31 AM

Star Member Laura PourMeADrink (42,266 posts)

9. Yes. Good and bad to both sides. But adding

What he has done so far to report will work

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Sat Jan 5, 2019, 09:41 AM

Star Member Zoonart (10,929 posts)

6. The Democrats will absolutely move on this...

when they have the votes in the Senate to convict.
Ralph Waldo Emerson — 'When you strike at a king, you must kill him.'

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Sat Jan 5, 2019, 09:55 AM

jberryhill (62,444 posts)

7. Getting tired of this argument

 


The jury isn’t polled at the start of the trial.

In fact, the jury is required to presume the defendant is innocent from the get-go.

Every single post of this type, and it’s pretty much every day now, fails to understand the process.

The votes weren’t there for Nixon when the process started either.

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Sat Jan 5, 2019, 10:23 AM

EffieBlack (14,249 posts)

8. Juries aren't polled but prosecutors don't bring cases until they've

 

got significant evidence and feel that a conviction is fairly certain.

Moreover, impeachment proceedings against Nixon didn't begin until February 1974. Congress first conducted an extensive investigation into Watergate - which lasted several months before the impeachment process began. The House didn't launch impeachment proceedings until the Select Committee and the special prosecutor had gathered the volumes of evidence, developed the groundwork necessary to prime the public to support impeachment.

The House is working on doing that now. Several committees are about to conduct investigations and hearings, which combined with Mueller's report, will likely put together enough to generate strong support for impeachment. This should be done in those committees, not by the Judiciary Committee in an impeachment proceeding.

Everything is moving in the right direction and I think the House is doing it just right.

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Sat Jan 5, 2019, 10:41 AM

Star Member Laura PourMeADrink (42,266 posts)

10. Good point. I have often thought too that the process

Will provide a clear and evidenced-based presentation of the facts against him. The low info's will for once hear all the truth instead of right wing propaganda only.

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Sat Jan 5, 2019, 11:29 AM

Star Member GeorgeGist (25,240 posts)

11. Thank you.

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Sat Jan 5, 2019, 03:32 PM

Star Member uponit7771 (89,624 posts)

17. AMEN!!

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Sat Jan 5, 2019, 12:00 PM

Star Member stopbush (24,254 posts)

12. And yet 80% of Americans would love to see a little league team beat the fucking Red Sux.

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Sat Jan 5, 2019, 12:28 PM

edbermac (15,793 posts)

14. And 100% of Americans would love to see a little league team beat the fucking Stinkees.

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Sat Jan 5, 2019, 03:32 PM

Star Member uponit7771 (89,624 posts)

18. right ?!

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Sat Jan 5, 2019, 12:18 PM

Star Member albacore (2,230 posts)

13. There is no choice....

If the evidence supports impeachment, the House has no choice but to do their Constitutional duty.
Cowardice or bravery or political considerations are simply not in the equation.
If the senate doesn't convict... that's a whole separate question.

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Sat Jan 5, 2019, 12:31 PM

Star Member honest.abe (7,885 posts)

15. Illogical argument.

What the Repubs in the Senate will do or not do is irrelevant to what the Dems in the House should do. If there ever was a person worthy of impeachment it would be Trump. Failing to impeach would be a tragic mistake.

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Sat Jan 5, 2019, 03:19 PM

Blue_Tires (55,445 posts)

16. Red Sox are overrated anyway

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Sat Jan 5, 2019, 03:35 PM

tonedevil (3,022 posts)

19. Speaker Pelosi...

 

isn't going to send articles of impeachment to the Senate unless she knows it will result in a conviction. That is a good thing and just one of a multitude of reasons we are fortunate to have her there at this time. On the other hand, it is good that lying motherfucker knows there is a solid contingent in this country and now in Congress that wants to impeach that lying motherfucker.

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