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Jerry Falwell, Jr.: "A poor person never gave anyone a job. A poor person never gave anybody charity (Original Post) tenderfoot Jan 2019 OP
Scandalous! applegrove Jan 2019 #1
Franklin reads his version of the Bible, where Jesus is a wealthy philanthropist. TheBlackAdder Jan 2019 #30
Falwell and Graham started getting big when the civil rights movement Kingofalldems Jan 2019 #2
Yep, it's about Racism and control. bitterross Jan 2019 #40
Yup. Abortion is what they claim is their end-all be-all issue, but that's BS. John Fante Jan 2019 #50
What did he give the pool boy? RandySF Jan 2019 #3
lol and why? grantcart Jan 2019 #13
Yes, do tell, Jr!! - How poor was your pool boy, and how much of that 1.3 million went into your Leghorn21 Jan 2019 #28
Some Vitamin D TheBlackAdder Jan 2019 #31
He needs to re-read the bit in the Gospels Retrograde Jan 2019 #4
+1 eShirl Jan 2019 #70
Beat me to it ! :) nt eppur_se_muova Jan 2019 #85
Falwell Jr on a camel heading towards a needle. Widows Mite Bubba -Boy, remember that? irisblue Jan 2019 #5
It's in the Bible. Jesus constantly spoke out against the poor. Aristus Jan 2019 #6
and a con man such as yourself, never gave anyone anything. spanone Jan 2019 #7
Lucky for Franklin that his father was born before him, else he'd be a small-time grifter minister. TheBlackAdder Jan 2019 #35
Instead of a big-time one? (n/t) Retrograde Jan 2019 #71
Republican Jesus. onecaliberal Jan 2019 #8
I guess he never heard about the widow's mite MaryMagdaline Jan 2019 #9
The poor have been giving him money his whole life. rusty quoin Jan 2019 #10
If memory serves me correctly, Jesus would be considered a poor man. Arkansas Granny Jan 2019 #11
I guess the idiot missed the section on the widow's mite. What an ass ... marble falls Jan 2019 #12
Apparently Mr. Falwell missed the lesson in Luke 10:30-37... RHMerriman Jan 2019 #14
He should try reading his holy book and what his Jesus had to say about that. Autumn Jan 2019 #15
He uses a different version. LiberalFighter Jan 2019 #19
The Republican version where their American born Jesus is a dick? Autumn Jan 2019 #37
Shameless Capitalist. lpbk2713 Jan 2019 #16
My great grandmother was as poor as a church mouse Buckeyeblue Jan 2019 #17
I'm sure that Jesus would just love Falwell and Graham. Initech Jan 2019 #18
He should read his bible- Luke 21:1-4 TexasProgresive Jan 2019 #20
Just a wild guess on my part KentuckyWoman Jan 2019 #33
"A poor person never gave anyone charity"? Laffy Kat Jan 2019 #21
Watch a poor man share his bread and you've seen real charity. Help him Totally Tunsie Jan 2019 #22
The poorest people I ever met, in Ciudad Juarez Maru Kitteh Jan 2019 #73
I guess he has never read about this character named Jesus. Ferrets are Cool Jan 2019 #23
Falwell...ur definitely going to hell with that shit in your brain. roamer65 Jan 2019 #24
So he is saying it is bad to be poor. LiberalFighter Jan 2019 #25
He's a peuk. Irishxs Jan 2019 #26
Neither have worked a day in their lives, having everything handed to them Eliot Rosewater Jan 2019 #27
Sigh..... Oh Jerry Drahthaardogs Jan 2019 #29
Starring in another remake of Elmer Gantry Donkees Jan 2019 #32
He must not have read that part of the bible about "the widow's mite" dawg day Jan 2019 #34
He is garbage. JDC Jan 2019 #36
He ought to visit a local food panty Freethinker65 Jan 2019 #38
Luke 6:20 - the Beatitudes DBoon Jan 2019 #39
He's repulsive. smirkymonkey Jan 2019 #41
Wait. Jesus was awash in financial riches then? Roland99 Jan 2019 #42
Jesus H Christ was fucking poor (if you believe the bible, which his family made millions claiming) NightWatcher Jan 2019 #43
Jesus was poor and he gave you a job, asshole rusty fender Jan 2019 #44
If you believe the bible. Blue_true Jan 2019 #45
He's an idiot, of course they do - they spend all their income treestar Jan 2019 #46
Bite this Jerry...... Hotler Jan 2019 #47
Jesus did samplegirl Jan 2019 #48
That's one of the most unChristian things I have ever read from a so-called preacher of the Gospel Hekate Jan 2019 #49
Jesus weeps. DemoTex Jan 2019 #51
wow talk about showing one's true colors KayF Jan 2019 #52
I've worked with a few homeless feeding shelters PeeJ52 Jan 2019 #53
Ok, so his Jesus never gave charity of any real volume. defacto7 Jan 2019 #54
This right here is a prime example of why RWNJ fundies are NOT Christians. MrScorpio Jan 2019 #55
Hey, Jerry Jr.: area51 Jan 2019 #56
Transactional Xtianity Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2019 #57
Heard about a guy who was laid off and on unemployment benefits Farmer-Rick Jan 2019 #58
That's a damn lie shanti Jan 2019 #59
"The best thing you can do for the poor is not be one of them." - Rev. Ike Marcuse Jan 2019 #60
At least he was honest about that nt doc03 Jan 2019 #62
A poor person never took my pension or health insurance away or forced me doc03 Jan 2019 #61
Great post! Nt raccoon Jan 2019 #80
This from a scammer who gets his money from the poor Raine Jan 2019 #63
Saw a documentary on Tammy Faye Bakker not long ago... Xolodno Jan 2019 #64
Falwell Jr. is more of a Mammonist than even his father. Paladin Jan 2019 #65
Nope. Jesus was poor, and he always helped those less fortunate, as do a lot of others. procon Jan 2019 #66
Add Crefalo Dollar and Joel Osteen sarcasmo Jan 2019 #67
Falwell is exactly the kind of person biblical Jesus would Golden Raisin Jan 2019 #68
Jerry Fallwell Jr only has a job because he inherited it from daddy. Demovictory9 Jan 2019 #69
"Blessed are the poor." Who said that, you fool? CTyankee Jan 2019 #72
Mr. Falwell never worked for Trevor Kracker, I see jmowreader Jan 2019 #74
Wow... ck4829 Jan 2019 #75
this is such crap..the $ put in the little offering basket by a poor person samnsara Jan 2019 #76
I had no idea Jesus was among the 1%. Vinca Jan 2019 #77
Wow! peggysue2 Jan 2019 #78
Falwell is a Christian flotsam Jan 2019 #79
Matthew 42:12 Taketh from the poor & then give unto thee rich. KWR65 Jan 2019 #81
Poor people give more of their income to charity than haele Jan 2019 #82
Jesus was a poor, itinerant Rabbi who traveled with 12 poor and itinerant followers... Thomas Hurt Jan 2019 #83
it is crack pots like this that make me scarytomcat Jan 2019 #84
No poor person ever gave ME an orchestrated economic catastrophe. HughBeaumont Jan 2019 #86
+ a few (at least) nt PETRUS Jan 2019 #89
You know who never gives anything without expecting a payday from it? Bettie Jan 2019 #87
My family would be considered poor twenty years ago. We always gave to those we thought less allgood33 Jan 2019 #88

Kingofalldems

(38,485 posts)
2. Falwell and Graham started getting big when the civil rights movement
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 07:10 PM
Jan 2019

Last edited Tue Jan 1, 2019, 07:52 PM - Edit history (1)

came along. It's about white racism. All the other stuff is phony. Trump brought them out into the light.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
40. Yep, it's about Racism and control.
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 08:04 PM
Jan 2019

They are in VA and NC. Two of the biggest slave states.

It's all about maintaining white, male control over everyone else.

Leghorn21

(13,526 posts)
28. Yes, do tell, Jr!! - How poor was your pool boy, and how much of that 1.3 million went into your
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 07:53 PM
Jan 2019

lawyer’s - you know, MICHAEL FKN COHEN’S - pocket??

This will be one of the greatest stories of this fine new year, this pool boy payoff and all the players involved!!!!!



BRING IT

Arkansas Granny

(31,531 posts)
11. If memory serves me correctly, Jesus would be considered a poor man.
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 07:20 PM
Jan 2019

I believe he also had something to say about rich men, camel's and needles.

marble falls

(57,235 posts)
12. I guess the idiot missed the section on the widow's mite. What an ass ...
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 07:20 PM
Jan 2019

Lesson of the widow's mite
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesson_of_the_widow's_mite

A bronze mite, also known as a Lepton (meaning small), minted by Alexander Jannaeus, King of Judaea, 103 - 76 B.C.. and still in circulation at the time of Jesus[1]

The Lesson of the widow's mite is presented in the Synoptic Gospels (Mark 12:41-44, Luke 21:1-4), in which Jesus is teaching at the Temple in Jerusalem. The Gospel of Mark specifies that two mites (Greek lepta) are together worth a quadrans, the smallest Roman coin. A lepton was the smallest and least valuable coin in circulation in Judea, worth about six minutes of an average daily wage.[2]
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"He sat down opposite the treasury and observed how the crowd put money into the treasury. Many rich people put in large sums. A poor widow also came and put in two small coins worth a few cents. Calling his disciples to himself, he said to them, 'Amen, I say to you, this poor widow put in more than all the other contributors to the treasury. For they have all contributed from their surplus wealth, but she, from her poverty, has contributed all she had, her whole livelihood.'[3]


The traditional interpretation of this story tends to view it as contrasting the conduct of the scribes with that of the widow, and encouraging generous giving; often read with 2 Corinthians 9 , "...for God loves a cheerful giver."

However, Addison Wright observes that there is no indication given of the widow's demeanor or frame of mind. He points out that earlier, in Mark 7:10-13, Jesus takes to task the scribes and Pharisees for an hypocrisy that would impoverish parents.[4]

For Moses said, 'Honor your father and your mother,' and 'Whoever curses father or mother shall die.' Yet you say, 'If a person says to father or mother, "Any support you might have had from me is qorban"'(meaning, dedicated to God), you allow him to do nothing more for his father or mother. You nullify the word of God in favor of your tradition that you have handed on. And you do many such things."

In the passage immediately prior to Jesus taking a seat opposite the Temple treasury, he is portrayed as condemning religious leaders who feign piety, accept honor from people, and steal from widows. "Beware of the scribes, who like to go around in long robes and accept greetings in the marketplaces, seats of honor in synagogues, and places of honor at banquets. They devour the houses of widows and, as a pretext, recite lengthy prayers. They will receive a very severe condemnation."[5]

The same religious leaders who would reduce widows to poverty also encourage them to make pious donations beyond their means. In Wright's opinion, rather than commending the widow's generosity, Jesus is condemning both the social system that renders her poor, and "...the value system that motivates her action, and he condemns the people who conditioned her to do it."[4]

Quentin Quesnell sees in this account "...a rebuke and rejection of the wrongdoers."[6] Quesnell notes that if Jesus' statement was to be seen as an endorsement of the widow's action, it bears none of the usual comments, such as "Go, and do likewise."

The account of the Widow's Mite is followed by, "As he was making his way out of the temple area one of his disciples said to him, "Look, teacher, what stones and what buildings!" Jesus said to him, "Do you see these great buildings? There will not be one stone left upon another that will not be thrown down."[7]

RHMerriman

(1,376 posts)
14. Apparently Mr. Falwell missed the lesson in Luke 10:30-37...
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 07:21 PM
Jan 2019

Apparently Mr. Falwell missed the lesson in Luke 10:30-37...

And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.

And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.

And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.

But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,

And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.

And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.

Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?

And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.


Mr. Falwell is no more a Christian than my spaniel is an astronaut.

Buckeyeblue

(5,502 posts)
17. My great grandmother was as poor as a church mouse
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 07:29 PM
Jan 2019

But she never turned a hungry person away. I have always found that those who know what it's like to need are more apt to truly give. Because to truly give means that you do without.

A rich man giving extra doesn't truly give because there is no sacrifice.

Full disclosure: I'm an atheist. But I think as a human, it's important to take care of each other.

TexasProgresive

(12,158 posts)
20. He should read his bible- Luke 21:1-4
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 07:37 PM
Jan 2019

21 And He looked up and saw the rich putting their gifts into the treasury, 2 and He saw also a certain poor widow putting in two mites.[a] 3 So He said, “Truly I say to you that this poor widow has put in more than all; 4 for all these out of their abundance have put in offerings for God, but she out of her poverty put in all the livelihood that she had.”

Poor people can be the most generous people. Rich people give as Jesus said a pittance of what they have while when the poor give it is often all they have. I and others I know have experienced the generosity of the poor and have paid it forward.

KentuckyWoman

(6,692 posts)
33. Just a wild guess on my part
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 07:58 PM
Jan 2019

but my bet is on Falwell not cracking open a Bible ever. Well, except when using it as a weapon when he stands up to bloviate in some mega church somewhere.

Laffy Kat

(16,386 posts)
21. "A poor person never gave anyone charity"?
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 07:39 PM
Jan 2019

Poor is relative, of course, but most of the people in my income bracket are generous in both time and money. And there was...what's his name, Jesus of Nazareth.

Maru Kitteh

(28,342 posts)
73. The poorest people I ever met, in Ciudad Juarez
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 03:53 AM
Jan 2019

absolutely insisted that I not leave until the Auntie made me a meal to eat. The had no glass in the windows, no electricity, no running water and a dirt floor. I was given a glass of water with ice to go with my delicious food.

Still makes me cry.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,110 posts)
23. I guess he has never read about this character named Jesus.
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 07:43 PM
Jan 2019

And while I believe this particular character to be fictional, I also believe Jr to believe that he was real. He is such a FUCKING HYPOCRITE.

roamer65

(36,747 posts)
24. Falwell...ur definitely going to hell with that shit in your brain.
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 07:43 PM
Jan 2019

Enjoy it. You and your scumfuck father deserve it.

LiberalFighter

(51,093 posts)
25. So he is saying it is bad to be poor.
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 07:47 PM
Jan 2019

He doesn't have a clue about how the economy works.

In all likelihood, if all the current poor people were wiped out, it would result in a loss of jobs, resulting in another group of poor people.

He lives in his own small world when he thinks that poor people don't give to charity or create jobs.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
34. He must not have read that part of the bible about "the widow's mite"
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 07:58 PM
Jan 2019

... That a tiny gift from someone who has very little is more meaningful than a lot of money from someone who has everything.

These people are definitionally NOT CHRISTIAN.

Freethinker65

(10,054 posts)
38. He ought to visit a local food panty
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 08:01 PM
Jan 2019

Many that volunteer are considered poor themselves. Same for other charities.

Helping your fellow "man" is the human thing to do. These charlatan preachers lack humanity.

DBoon

(22,397 posts)
39. Luke 6:20 - the Beatitudes
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 08:02 PM
Jan 2019

And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said: “Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
41. He's repulsive.
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 08:04 PM
Jan 2019

I can't even begin to say how effed up his logic is. And so many poor people jump right on that bandwagon to vote against their own best interests. It's so frustrating.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
43. Jesus H Christ was fucking poor (if you believe the bible, which his family made millions claiming)
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 08:13 PM
Jan 2019

What a degenerate

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
45. If you believe the bible.
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 08:28 PM
Jan 2019

Jesus was a very poor person who depended on the homes and kindness of others as he travelled about. How does Falwell square that up?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
46. He's an idiot, of course they do - they spend all their income
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 08:28 PM
Jan 2019

He should read the end of The Grapes of Wrath. It's fiction, but even so. Didn't he widow give her late mite? So that's more charitable than millions from the rich. I would have thought J. Falwell Jr was familiar with the Bible.

Hotler

(11,445 posts)
47. Bite this Jerry......
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 08:38 PM
Jan 2019

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercise's in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." J. K. Galbraith

 

PeeJ52

(1,588 posts)
53. I've worked with a few homeless feeding shelters
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 09:01 PM
Jan 2019

and have seen plenty of times where one poor person would give of their warmth to another more needy than them in a heartbeat. This man evidently has not been around the poor or homeless.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
54. Ok, so his Jesus never gave charity of any real volume.
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 09:03 PM
Jan 2019

Fine. He is inferring that volume is equivalent to value. Charity is giving something. So his Jesus never gave anything of any value. Ok.

Farmer-Rick

(10,212 posts)
58. Heard about a guy who was laid off and on unemployment benefits
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 09:05 PM
Jan 2019

Maxed out his credit card to start a very successful business. He gave a lot of people jobs. He later sold it to a big corporation for millions.

Besides, since when is simply creating a job something so magnificent that it becomes a Christian parable? Is it a GOOD job? Does it pay fairly? Does it abuse the worker? These employers think a job is the end all and be all. The poor worker still has to do all the labor. It's not like they get their wages for free. It's not like the boss won't fire the guy if he feels like it.

The rich do not give as high a percentage of their wealth to charity as the poor and the middle class do. It has been documented over and over again and yet the supposed Christian lies and lies about it. What a dick.

doc03

(35,378 posts)
61. A poor person never took my pension or health insurance away or forced me
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 09:23 PM
Jan 2019

to take a pay cut. A poor person never started a stupid war or forced me into the military. A poor person never
had the courts give them a bonus for bad management then make us employees pay for it.

Raine

(30,540 posts)
63. This from a scammer who gets his money from the poor
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 09:38 PM
Jan 2019

and ignorant who are naive enough to think he will help get them into heaven or at least help them get as wealthy as as he is. If it wasn't so evil his statement would be laughable...

Xolodno

(6,401 posts)
64. Saw a documentary on Tammy Faye Bakker not long ago...
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 10:01 PM
Jan 2019

Long story short, they tried to put a sympathetic spin on the Bakker's. But what intrigued me was how, Jim Bakker was the founder of a nothing show that other evangelists didn't think would go anywhere called the 700 Club. Pat Roberston basically strong armed them out of it.

They left and long story short, were successful...apparently even the theme park they built was turning a profit, a small one, but still a profit. That's when Jerry Falwell Sr. approached them about helping them out....and slowly began to take over and act like a vulture capitalist. Finally turning on the Bakker's and doing them in.

As for Jr....the apple doesn't fall from the tree with these types.

procon

(15,805 posts)
66. Nope. Jesus was poor, and he always helped those less fortunate, as do a lot of others.
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 10:10 PM
Jan 2019

Jesus was a carpenter, the working poor, who sends most of their earnings just to survive from payday to payday. He kept the small shops in his community in businesses, baker, buying from the butcher, the miller, the candie maker and the weaver, just like the poor working class people do today.

Both Falwell Jr. and Franklin are conman, preying on credulous people to enrich themselves.They should do a lot more remedial reading.

jmowreader

(50,562 posts)
74. Mr. Falwell never worked for Trevor Kracker, I see
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 04:09 AM
Jan 2019

Trevor, who ran the wrap shop I used to work for, had No Money. What he DID have was a bunch of friends he made while playing football for NC State, some of those friends' parents had money, and a lot of the friends' parents were willing to invest in his business.

But in the "personal wealth" department, Trevor was worse off than I was.

samnsara

(17,636 posts)
76. this is such crap..the $ put in the little offering basket by a poor person
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 07:59 AM
Jan 2019

represents a % of their worth. the same amount by a wealthier person is mere pennies.

peggysue2

(10,839 posts)
78. Wow!
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 08:50 AM
Jan 2019

What Gospel is Falwell reading? Or is this the 'Good News" written by the Republican Jesus?

Stunning.

haele

(12,677 posts)
82. Poor people give more of their income to charity than
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 10:04 AM
Jan 2019

Wealthy people - with the exception of the few wealthy people who decide to give it all to charity when they go, most of who grew up in or were exposed to poverty - tend to use charity as ether a tax dodge or a status statement.

Poor people give with an awareness that survival is based on community. A poor person will also hire others at a greater employee to task basis - and also pay a greater labor cost hiring others than wealthy people, just in a different form (primarily barter or under the table) than a wealthy person.

Look at it this way- giving $20 a day to a housebound neighbor or relative to watch your kids and feed them breakfast and lunch while you go to a minimum wage job every day is like bringing home $1k (after taxes) a day and hiring someone $500 a day to watch your kids while you're away.
Most better off people won't pay that much of an income/cost per day for, say, a nanny and as many other "essential" staff, documented or not, they would want to hire. Make $10k a day, are you going to hire employees at $5k a day, if it wasn't going to seriously save you in taxes?

Haele

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
83. Jesus was a poor, itinerant Rabbi who traveled with 12 poor and itinerant followers...
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 10:22 AM
Jan 2019

Whole lot of them immoral, lazy takers.

(snark)

Bettie

(16,126 posts)
87. You know who never gives anything without expecting a payday from it?
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 03:40 PM
Jan 2019

televangelists and their spawn, that's who.

 

allgood33

(1,584 posts)
88. My family would be considered poor twenty years ago. We always gave to those we thought less
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 03:42 PM
Jan 2019

fortunate.

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