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Tue Nov 20, 2018, 08:48 AM

I found a church in Cleveland-diverse. The Pastor says they lock the doors during service for

security reasons...what a world we live in. I can't imagine how any person can accept that as 'normal' It is time to band together and enact reasonable gun control (as soon as we have the Senate and Presidency) I find the status quo unacceptable.

I will join this church. It is a very loving church. They do many community based good works....just what I wanted.But who could ever imagine that going to church would become an act of courage under the monster that is Trump and his evil minions.

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Reply I found a church in Cleveland-diverse. The Pastor says they lock the doors during service for (Original post)
Demsrule86 Nov 2018 OP
hlthe2b Nov 2018 #1
Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #3
iluvtennis Nov 2018 #28
Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #29
Blue_true Nov 2018 #19
KY_EnviroGuy Nov 2018 #20
LakeArenal Nov 2018 #23
Ohiogal Nov 2018 #2
Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #5
Ninga Nov 2018 #7
Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #8
Ohiogal Nov 2018 #26
Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #30
safeinOhio Nov 2018 #4
Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #6
safeinOhio Nov 2018 #9
Mr. Quackers Nov 2018 #10
Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #11
Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #12
LanternWaste Nov 2018 #17
NurseJackie Nov 2018 #13
Old Crank Nov 2018 #14
diva77 Nov 2018 #15
CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2018 #16
Red Raider 85 Nov 2018 #18
USALiberal Nov 2018 #22
USALiberal Nov 2018 #21
HelenWheels Nov 2018 #24
progressoid Nov 2018 #25
dsc Nov 2018 #27
crazycatlady Nov 2018 #31

Response to Demsrule86 (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2018, 09:05 AM

1. Imagine what happens if a fire breaks out... they will be trapped like rats...

sad, sad, sad that they feel they must do so...

I'm not saying they are necessarily wrong to do so, just pointing out the horrific Hobson's Choice.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 20, 2018, 09:16 AM

3. They have exits that only open from the inside. But the big doors can't be made bullet proof...sad

world,

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 22, 2018, 11:48 PM

28. Sad world indeed when we can't go to a house of worship w/o fear of tragedy.

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Response to iluvtennis (Reply #28)

Sat Nov 24, 2018, 04:23 PM

29. I know but a diverse congregation is a target these days.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 20, 2018, 08:51 PM

19. Church doors that I have seen unlock from the inside.

They can be locked to someone entering from the outside.

I honestly think that pastor has a false sense of security. Anyone that wants to can get into all but good security doors within seconds.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 20, 2018, 09:05 PM

20. Fire codes require proper means of egress....

in case of emergency - fire, mass panic, etc. The quantity and location of emergency exits are dictated by code. They must be maintained and must never be restricted or blocked.

The church cannot violate the fire codes, or else they can be shut down by the fire martial.....

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 20, 2018, 09:31 PM

23. Technically Hobson's Choice was a very good one.

Maybe Sophie’s Choice is horrific.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2018, 09:05 AM

2. These are the times we live in now

and, I agree, I don't know how anyone can find this acceptable. But since in their infinite wisdom, Ohioans elected a Republican governor who loves the NRA, it's not going to change much here for a while. I find it very depressing, as well.

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Response to Ohiogal (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 20, 2018, 09:18 AM

5. I worked hard for Cordray and was very disappointed but the Crypt keeper was known here.

Keep in mind that Sherrod Brown won re-election easily. I honestly don't believe if we put up a good candidate that Trump will carry Ohio. Also with the vote to end gerrymanders, things should improve despite the current situation.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 20, 2018, 09:29 AM

7. The League of Women Voters has filed a lawsuit to get the districts redrawn before 2020.

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Response to Ninga (Reply #7)

Tue Nov 20, 2018, 10:21 AM

8. Excellent...that will make such a difference in the legislature and house races.

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Response to Ninga (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 21, 2018, 11:42 AM

26. Fantastic!

Look what happened in PA when they re- drew the districts! We need to do that badly here.

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Response to Ohiogal (Reply #26)

Sat Nov 24, 2018, 04:25 PM

30. Yes do.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2018, 09:17 AM

4. Oh ye of little faith...

Lighting rods on the steeple and lockeded doors. Even the sparrow that gathers no......


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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 20, 2018, 09:28 AM

6. The early church faced threats too ...no doubt. But taking precautions to ensure the

safety of the congregation from white supremacists and various bad people is a good thing. We need serious gun control. There are too many guns in the wrong hands.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 20, 2018, 10:31 AM

9. You are right, sorry about my religious humor.

But, guns in churches is not the answer either. Then again the Bible supplies loop holes for every opinion.
Turn the other cheek, love thy enemy.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 20, 2018, 10:37 AM

10. But religious humor, blasphemy, and sacrilege

 

have been bountiful sources of comedy for years and years

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 20, 2018, 11:13 AM

11. It is fine...and there are no guns allowed in our church or I would not go.

I get the humor, but I just long for better days.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 20, 2018, 11:14 AM

12. Is it snowing near you?

We have a couple of inches.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 20, 2018, 05:23 PM

17. Much as laws, economics and philosophies as well.

 

"the Bible supplies loop holes for every opinion..."

Much as all laws, all economies and all philosophies as well. The fun is picking one, the chore is applying that consistently.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2018, 01:42 PM

13. Which church?

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Response to Demsrule86 (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2018, 03:34 PM

14. That might be against the fire code.....

Much like locking the doors in buildings unless they have panic hardware installed so you can get out even if the door is locked.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2018, 05:20 PM

15. Reminds me of a church in Goa, India that has cannons out front

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Response to diva77 (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 20, 2018, 05:23 PM

16. I think those are most likely historical and decorative, not intended for use.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2018, 07:54 PM

18. Where's the nonexistent god of that church? Oh, wait...

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Response to Red Raider 85 (Reply #18)

Tue Nov 20, 2018, 09:08 PM

22. They need to pray more. Apparently god needs to be asked for help. nt

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Response to Demsrule86 (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2018, 09:07 PM

21. Short of banning and collecting guns, nothing stops a lone nut from a mass shooting. nt

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Response to Demsrule86 (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2018, 10:08 PM

24. Uninted Universalist Church

is diverse and accepting of all. I love the UU church and the kind people in it.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2018, 11:38 AM

25. While it's true that Trump feeds this fire, it was already burning before he was elected.

I don't do church, but I remember that after the church shooting in Charleston, my mother-in-law's church had meetings to decide how they wanted to protect their congregants. This included having at least one member conceal carry during every service.

That was in 2015.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2018, 11:46 AM

27. I remember reading about a Tennessee church that was shot because the shooter

was unhappy that the church had gay members. If I had been a member of that church I would have never returned to it for fear of causing someone to be shot due to my presence.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2018, 05:19 PM

31. Unfortunately we live in a day and age where people will shoot up a religious service

Ask the people in Charleston and Pittsburgh

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