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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums'Never Nancy': Democrats ramp up efforts to sideline Pelosi, without offering an alternative
By BENJAMIN SIEGEL Nov 14, 2018, 4:32 AM ET
"This is a simple letter saying we want new leadership, which is what a vast majority of Democrats and the American people want," Rep. Seth Moulton, D-Mass., a member of the group, told reporters Tuesday.
Pelosi, who has said she's "100 percent confident" that she will be the next House speaker, has been working since last week on her bid, meeting and talking with new members and incumbent Democrats, to shore up support.
Prominent Democrats off Capitol Hill -- from New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo and former Sen. John Kerry, to former Vice President Al Gore -- have been making calls on her behalf, and influential House Democrats and activists have provided a steady drumbeat of public endorsements.
But Pelosi's critics argue that she has an increasingly apparent math problem. While she's expected to lock up the caucus speaker vote with a majority of members on Nov. 28, they're hoping to publicly release their letter before that vote to hammer their point home.
"It's time for a change," Rep. Filemon Vela, D-Texas, who is opposed to Pelosi, told ABC News. "It's time for new blood."
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/nancy-democrats-ramp-efforts-sideline-pelosi-offering-alternative/story?id=59180391
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)Nancy will be speaker.
This daily fucking game is getting annoying.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Those who oppose her don't even put up an alternative because they are cowards!
Boy there's leadership the GOP could really get behind huh?
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Republicans and Democrats will all vote on who will be our Democratic speaker. Usually, the vote is party line so that the majority party's choice wins. But how about if some dissidents in one party block that party's main choice?
We'll see. And this will tell us something about some of the new people. I really don't like the sound of "never Nancy." Way too much like the "never Hillary" left wing populists and other leftists. Some of them really meant it when they said "never Hillary." It wasn't just that they'd have the nation pay any cost in order to defeat her but that some of them genuinely preferred Trump and a Republican congress to Hillary as our first woman president. And no doubt many of the same people are engaged in the extreme demonizing of our first woman speaker.
Here's a Roll Cal article describing the situation now. Note the end. Most have no viable and proven replacement for her in mind, the most important thing is to take Pelosi out. Moulton doesn't fit that bill, but it's obvious he hopes to ride the vacuum in.
https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/anti-pelosi-contingent-claims-they-have-numbers-to-block-her-in-speaker-floor-vote
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Pelosi will carry the caucus and the caucus will carry the House.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)the sense, and I'm afraid the concern for their nation, to worry about what kind of leader the Republicans would be willing to support. Like the tea party, the Never Nancys' agenda is displacing mainstream voters. Sanders promised them he would, but he failed.
It's shocking, but there's a type on the farther left who despise Democrats so much they have a little left over for thinking about Republicans. Something in the Never Nancy types just doesn't let them worry about Republicans.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)When she walks out with Schiff, Clayborn, Lewis at al, all the people she has helped and 44 Dems from CA they will rush to her side
Caucus solidarity is our only weapon
Internecine fighting among Republicans crippled them
ck4829
(35,069 posts)This is why they won't win.
I don't deal with anyone who says that an idea is bad and not to do it WITHOUT suggesting an alternative. I find these people are just too negative, we don't need them sabotaging us and they are sabotaging themselves as well, and I don't want to enable that.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)Better figure it out before we shoot ourselves in the foot....yet again. HRC would be ok. Other than that "dance w the one who brung ya' imo.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)What a joke...
In It to Win It
(8,248 posts)pamdb
(1,332 posts)Nancy Pelosi should be allowed to be speaker for at least 2 years, until the 2020 election. I agree we should have someone new and younger, just not right away. The woman knows what shes doing. Let her do it, let her establish the agenda, shes a pro. She deserves this win.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,912 posts)It is time to start preparing for a change, but now is the time for skilled seasoned leadership and later an orderly transition of leadership. Nancy should lead us through the first year of Democratic control of the House, when we have to be fully up to speed confronting Trump. Perhaps she should step aside for the second year when our freshmen have gained their sea legs and we are more clearly in the aftermath of Mueller's findings, not anticipating them.
The next national elections are two years away. Pragmatically speaking it doesn't matter now how much Republicans continue to use Nancy as their target now. Let her draw their fire. If we install new leadership in a year, before the next congressional election, it will all be moot how much they demonized Pelosi in the past.
I know I speak for many self identified Democratic progressives. When Moulton said "we want new leadership, which is what a vast majority of Democrats and the American people want," he is full of you know what.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)It's all about Moulton's ambition.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)My guess is Pelosi become speaker and all democrats fall in line on votes. The conflict is only about who the speaker should be.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)That is not the case at the moment. And there ain't a single god damn person more ready to start putting our pieces back together than Nancy Pelosi. And she was our minority leader this whole time. Its ridiculous to think we would elect any other person as speaker at this moment in our history. I believe Pelosi recognizes that there should be new leadership in the near future, from things she has said in some interviews. But she also recognizes that someone who knows how the house works and knows how to keep her or his caucus together should be leading the proverbial charge again this strange fucking monster we call Donald Trump.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)Response to workinclasszero (Original post)
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Stinky The Clown
(67,798 posts)Hey kids, how about you figure out where your office is, where to go for lunch, and where your seat on the floor is.
Wintryjade
(814 posts)all american girl
(1,788 posts)Takket
(21,563 posts)Tell me why I should vote for someone else. Denying Pelosi 218 is not a move towards new leadership. It is a move to chaos that makes up look ineffective in the minds of voters.
Put forward a challenger with a resume, or get in line behind Pelosi.
FSogol
(45,481 posts)Atticus
(15,124 posts)Bfd
(1,406 posts)Shut up Seth. I believe that's a flat out lie you just made up.
"That lie is not helping you Seth." says the Vast majority of Democrats & America
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...a member of the 'moderate' Blue Dog Coalition.
But we've been hearing there's some kind of challenge from the left.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)I've seen, but the more blue-dog forces appear to be using that sense of discontent as a reason to challenge Pelosi from the right, as was the case when Tim Ryan was making a bid.
eleny
(46,166 posts)In these perilous days we need an experienced hand to guide the House and teach the new blood how to do it when she leaves.
spanone
(135,830 posts)this is noise to fill in for trump when he's not tweeting
Bfd
(1,406 posts)He SO fking stole that overused lie of a line from John Boehner!!
"This is a simple letter saying we want new leadership, which is what a vast majority of Democrats and the American people want," Rep. Seth Moulton, D-Mass., a member of the group, told reporters Tuesday.
DeminPennswoods
(15,286 posts)that is all.
DeminPennswoods
(15,286 posts)said he did not support Pelosi to let him know that if he decides not to vote for her, he can kiss my 2020 vote goodbye.