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Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 03:14 PM Sep 2018

Manafort seeking plea deal with special counsel that would avoid cooperation ahead of second trial

Manafort seeking plea deal with special counsel that would avoid cooperation ahead of second trial: Sources

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/manafort-seeking-plea-deal-special-counsel-avoid-cooperation/story?id=57777687

Sources familiar with negotiations tell ABC News former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort has been in ongoing negotiations with Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s office over a potential plea agreement.

The discussions, which have picked up steam in the last several weeks, come ahead of Manafort’s second trial which is slated to begin later this month in federal court in Washington D.C.

Sources tell ABC News that Mueller’s office is seeking cooperation from Manafort for information related to President Trump and the 2016 campaign, however, Manafort is resisting and his team is pushing prosecutors for a plea agreement that does not include cooperation, at least as related to the president.

A spokesperson for Manafort declined to comment.
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Manafort seeking plea deal with special counsel that would avoid cooperation ahead of second trial (Original Post) Miles Archer Sep 2018 OP
Why The Fuck Should Mueller Do This? LandOfHopeAndDreams Sep 2018 #1
I hope he doesn't but it wouldn't be unusual. Prosecutors often make plea deals pnwmom Sep 2018 #4
Not all defendants have information on other crooks but still get deals RhodeIslandOne Sep 2018 #17
I don't get the impression Mueller will necesarily do any plea deal without cooperation. triron Sep 2018 #28
In other words, Manafort may plea to agreement to cooperate, including, Iliyah Sep 2018 #2
I don't read it that way sarah FAILIN Sep 2018 #18
I am doubtinng Mueller will go there. triron Sep 2018 #29
He might just to get more convictions scarytomcat Sep 2018 #32
Fuck that Cirque du So-What Sep 2018 #3
Amen! manor321 Sep 2018 #12
+1 ffr Sep 2018 #16
+1 nt! helpisontheway Sep 2018 #24
Awaiting That Commuted Sentence From Drumpf LandOfHopeAndDreams Sep 2018 #5
Bring nothing to the table ProudLib72 Sep 2018 #6
No such thing as life sentences available in federal system for what he's charged with. No hard labo Shrike47 Sep 2018 #33
Hey, I can dream can't I? ProudLib72 Sep 2018 #34
Give it up, Paul. Iggo Sep 2018 #7
Nice try. NOPE! Equinox Moon Sep 2018 #8
He wants to save money while waiting for his pardon MaryMagdaline Sep 2018 #9
The Fact That He Doesn't Want To Cooperate And Testify Against Trump Should Tell You Everything ChoppinBroccoli Sep 2018 #10
He's sending a message to Trump... kentuck Sep 2018 #11
Does a pardon work on all future criminal convictions? I thought a perp was just walking away erronis Sep 2018 #19
He's definitely more afraid of Russian mob/Putin than he is of jail Power 2 the People Sep 2018 #13
go to jail. go directly to jail. do not pass Go. do not collect $200.00 riversedge Sep 2018 #14
No deal without cooperation. Go ahead and risk an acquittal in DC by going to trial. RockRaven Sep 2018 #15
Since he's already facing prison time, I'd be inclined to cut a deal for the retrial Fiendish Thingy Sep 2018 #25
Mueller should politely tell Manafort to fuck off. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #20
Try him. If he doesn't want to cooperate he doesn't deserve a deal. redstatebluegirl Sep 2018 #21
I think Manafort is terrified of what the Russians will do to him or his family. blogslut Sep 2018 #22
This is a trial the American people deserve to hear Mr. Ected Sep 2018 #23
i.e. Of course I know rump is guilty (speaking as manafort now) and NO thank you I dont Eliot Rosewater Sep 2018 #26
Still thinks he is not going to die in prison? Going to get his pardon... Thomas Hurt Sep 2018 #27
Mueller would never agree to that! n/t chillfactor Sep 2018 #30
I think he's trolling for a pardon. The next trial gets into the Russia collusion. Vinca Sep 2018 #31
 
1. Why The Fuck Should Mueller Do This?
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 03:17 PM
Sep 2018

Everything I've heard is that Manafort is screwed in the next trial. It's supposed to be even more solid than the last, in which he received several convictions.

Why would Mueller want to let him off the hook, if he's willing to provide nothing that will help his investigation? I don't get it.

pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
4. I hope he doesn't but it wouldn't be unusual. Prosecutors often make plea deals
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 03:19 PM
Sep 2018

just to avoid the time and expense of prosecution.

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
17. Not all defendants have information on other crooks but still get deals
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 04:07 PM
Sep 2018

Obviously Manafort DOES have info but is trying to act like he doesn’t.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
2. In other words, Manafort may plea to agreement to cooperate, including,
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 03:18 PM
Sep 2018

but not limited to, shithole t-rump, et al.

sarah FAILIN

(2,857 posts)
18. I don't read it that way
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 04:11 PM
Sep 2018

I think this is saying plead guilty and take all the blame without ratting Trump out.

scarytomcat

(1,706 posts)
32. He might just to get more convictions
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 05:28 PM
Sep 2018

and save the trouble of a trial
He may have all he needs to bring down the orange one.
I'm hoping for the rest of the family in orange too.

Cirque du So-What

(25,984 posts)
3. Fuck that
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 03:19 PM
Sep 2018

He's hardly in a position to dictate terms to the prosecution. Either he cooperates where he's told or he can rot in prison.

 
5. Awaiting That Commuted Sentence From Drumpf
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 03:22 PM
Sep 2018

I guess he figures the quicker he gets this trial over with, the sooner Drumpf can commute his sentence.

Shrike47

(6,913 posts)
33. No such thing as life sentences available in federal system for what he's charged with. No hard labo
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 06:13 PM
Sep 2018

That’s actually good, because if they could make you do hard labor in the hot sun, a lot of minority persons who once held a crack pipe or a baggie would be doing it.

The statutes are harsh enough, no matter how annoying the defendant.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
34. Hey, I can dream can't I?
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 07:04 PM
Sep 2018

Yes, I know he can't be given such a sentence. The one thing I really want is for him to serve time. If he got a fifteen year sentence w/o parole, that would probably do him in. I'm fine with that.

MaryMagdaline

(6,856 posts)
9. He wants to save money while waiting for his pardon
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 03:37 PM
Sep 2018

Mueller does have to consider the costs associated with another trial. He needs his prosecutors on various matters. Tough decision.

ChoppinBroccoli

(3,784 posts)
10. The Fact That He Doesn't Want To Cooperate And Testify Against Trump Should Tell You Everything
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 03:41 PM
Sep 2018

Because if there was nothing to testify ABOUT, why would he fear cooperating?

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
11. He's sending a message to Trump...
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 03:44 PM
Sep 2018

Either pardon me before the next trial or I will cooperate with the Prosecutors.

erronis

(15,335 posts)
19. Does a pardon work on all future criminal convictions? I thought a perp was just walking away
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 04:15 PM
Sep 2018

from the ones that he was already accused/convicted of. Not all possible future crimes and misdemeanors.

Perhaps the OSC is purposefully stringing out these accusations/trials to catch Manafort in between a

Power 2 the People

(2,437 posts)
13. He's definitely more afraid of Russian mob/Putin than he is of jail
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 03:55 PM
Sep 2018

If he spills the beans on Trump/Russia he knows both his and his family's lives are in jeopardy.

RockRaven

(15,002 posts)
15. No deal without cooperation. Go ahead and risk an acquittal in DC by going to trial.
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 04:04 PM
Sep 2018

The EDVA convictions, based on federal sentencing guidelines, will put him in prison for a decade (until he's ~80). And that's without re-trying the 10 mistrial charges. Likely the prosecutors could gain convictions on a retrial on most of those.

Some of the charges in the DC trial should be very easy to prove because most of the evidence is document-based. It's all there in black and white, what he did and didn't do.

Let him spend the rest of his life in prison if not cooperating is so important to him.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,657 posts)
25. Since he's already facing prison time, I'd be inclined to cut a deal for the retrial
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 05:12 PM
Sep 2018

Here’s my deal:
You don’t have to testify anything about Trump, but you have to provide incriminating testimony against Junior, Jared, and everyone else at the Trump tower meeting.

And you still have to stand trial in DC.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
21. Try him. If he doesn't want to cooperate he doesn't deserve a deal.
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 04:41 PM
Sep 2018

They have the goods on him, put him in jail where he belongs. Maybe 45 will pardon him, ok, but I want him broke when that happens.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
23. This is a trial the American people deserve to hear
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 04:46 PM
Sep 2018

The tremendous amount of disinformation that has spewed from Trump, his sycophants, the media, and Congress with regard to Russian collusion can only be controverted by a very public trial that distinguishes fact from "alternate reality" as it regards this administration. Without it, Trump can continue to point a finger at Hillary and those who are not paying attention may be easily duped. This trial will be anathema to the lies. It will turn public opinion.

And dammit, as Americans, we DESERVE THE TRUTH. A plea deal here doesn't make Mueller look good, nor does it lead us to the conclusion that true justice was served.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,121 posts)
26. i.e. Of course I know rump is guilty (speaking as manafort now) and NO thank you I dont
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 05:14 PM
Sep 2018

want to tell you the truth because the truth is so devastating.

Vinca

(50,304 posts)
31. I think he's trolling for a pardon. The next trial gets into the Russia collusion.
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 05:27 PM
Sep 2018

His offer to Mueller is just a ploy to wake Don up. Of course, he would still have to testify in other trials even if he did get a pardon . . . unless he's permanently out of the country. A real possibility.

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