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Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 12:01 PM Aug 2018

Dear Mr. HOGG, Please educate yourself first. Who has stood with you?

Representative Nancy Pelosi's Public Statements on Gun Control.
I dare you to read every word Speaker Pelosi has said concerning your own passionate plea for gun control.
We applaud you, Mr Hogg & support your brave effort.

However, in light of your derogatory statement dismissing Speaker Pelosi as "old", I ask you to consider the mighty work she has done on behalf of your very own passionate cause.

14 years of Nancy Pelosi's work on gun control.
Speaker Pelosi wasn't always "old". But she has always been on the same path as you, Mr Hogg.

https://votesmart.org/candidate/public-statements/26732/nancy-pelosi/37/guns#.W3w1eXNOk0N

Please get to know your alliances & also your enemies.

Simply apologize.
Thank you


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Dear Mr. HOGG, Please educate yourself first. Who has stood with you? (Original Post) Wwcd Aug 2018 OP
Oh leave the kid be BeyondGeography Aug 2018 #1
Really? I dont know any Democrats who know anything about anything who do. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #5
How about the 50-something D candidates who either won't vote for her as Speaker BeyondGeography Aug 2018 #6
All of us Dems, including that candidate, should not fall for repug framing of who our House... brush Aug 2018 #11
This. Crutchez_CuiBono Aug 2018 #27
Thank you! EffieBlack Aug 2018 #49
Totally agree with you. Fla Dem Aug 2018 #80
Indeed!! We need to vote before any decisions can or will be made. LakeArenal Aug 2018 #101
Anyone who wants to spend the rest of their evening SCantiGOP Aug 2018 #108
Ha! 7962 Aug 2018 #118
Hey, What about Bernie's Democratic Party Creds? Roy Rolling Aug 2018 #132
Spot on. geardaddy Aug 2018 #142
YOu wont like my answer to that question, but the attempt to destroy the D party from within Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #19
Pre-election promises are not the same as post election promises. Whose running for Speaker now? haele Aug 2018 #20
How about winning the House first-- dawg day Aug 2018 #28
How about not falling for Republican character assassination campaigns and inadvertently helping emulatorloo Aug 2018 #55
They're meanies!!!! n/t QC Aug 2018 #60
That says more about them than it does about her. pazzyanne Aug 2018 #104
It's not often when a Representative is elected Speaker of the House unanimously. George II Aug 2018 #121
How about those 50 or so candidates actually work on persuading their peers.. JHan Aug 2018 #156
Nailed it! NurseJackie Aug 2018 #157
Amen comradebillyboy Aug 2018 #8
I don't know of any either Elliot. You make a Good Point! Wwcd Aug 2018 #12
+100000000! The people who don't support Nancy Pelosi generally do not have a clue skylucy Aug 2018 #76
I will break this to you gently. PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2018 #148
I know who doesnt like her and WHY. Sadly, there are some who dont like her on our side Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #153
Uh, no. procon Aug 2018 #23
This again? BeyondGeography Aug 2018 #26
He didnt say leadership was old, he said SHE is old FreeState Aug 2018 #52
Agriculture has nothing to do with this BeyondGeography Aug 2018 #71
??hu n/t FreeState Aug 2018 #83
I too reject agism BeyondGeography Aug 2018 #84
ag-riculture . . . ag-ism. n/t Ms. Toad Aug 2018 #99
He's 18 dflprincess Aug 2018 #130
Ageism against Democratic women is an attack line that began with Republicans. procon Aug 2018 #61
I gather he was saying she was old, Hatch is old, Trump is old. There is a time... Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #110
There is no objection to passing the baton. procon Aug 2018 #126
When did old by itself become a disqualifier? happy feet Aug 2018 #64
That depends on who you ask? pazzyanne Aug 2018 #107
I'm with you Geography.... jodymarie aimee Aug 2018 #39
If you wish to be ageist against Pelosi, be consistent & be ageist against Carter & Hillary Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #43
Apples and oranges BeyondGeography Aug 2018 #47
2003? Hillary has been active at the highest levels of government since 1993. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #58
+1 happy feet Aug 2018 #74
Beyond Geography? ProfessorGAC Aug 2018 #111
What constitutes "a lot"? And of those, how many really are Democrats? George II Aug 2018 #123
His point is a 70 year old woman shouldn't be the Democratic Speaker of the House. lark Aug 2018 #136
70? BeyondGeography Aug 2018 #141
Hope some researcher keeps up with his opinions for the next 70 years or so. Hoyt Aug 2018 #2
Yes padah513 Aug 2018 #48
Propaganda works on all of us to some degree. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #3
This is what republicans do. Talk so much shit about someone Thrill Aug 2018 #4
As well as some right here. Thanks, Thrill, you are absolutely correct. Wwcd Aug 2018 #9
This ... EffieBlack Aug 2018 #50
The young sometimes snowybirdie Aug 2018 #7
My generation knew EVERYTHING PatSeg Aug 2018 #22
He's only 18, so give him a break. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2018 #10
Give him a break? No. He needs to educate himself as to who has fought as he does for gun control Wwcd Aug 2018 #15
Exactly! BigOleDummy Aug 2018 #42
Tbh, this education approach sounds like something a schoolyard bully would do Politicub Aug 2018 #149
Yep, when I was 18, the rule was "don't trust anyone over 30." JaneQPublic Aug 2018 #16
No. He might be young and inexperienced, but that's a poor excuse that procon Aug 2018 #30
"Never trust anyone over 30!" Mariana Aug 2018 #57
He's a mature 18 - he's done good things nini Aug 2018 #109
She isn't targeted by GOP b/c she's in the leadership position, she's targeted b/c she's EFFECTIVE RockRaven Aug 2018 #13
++++++++ nt brer cat Aug 2018 #95
Reading DU responses to your post is interesting. rogue emissary Aug 2018 #14
IKR? The Polack MSgt Aug 2018 #17
+1000 EffieBlack Aug 2018 #51
Perplexing indeed! Heartstrings Aug 2018 #56
IKR? nt brer cat Aug 2018 #96
The Strong Reaction To His Comment Me. Aug 2018 #18
He's asking the right question. Age often equals more net worth in Congress. MadDAsHell Aug 2018 #21
Most of them are already rich when they first get elected. Mariana Aug 2018 #59
It was rude and he should apologize Power 2 the People Aug 2018 #24
K&R. -----------Ah, youth. Wasted on the Young. UTUSN Aug 2018 #25
So true. heh heh. Crutchez_CuiBono Aug 2018 #128
An understanding soul, you are!1 UTUSN Aug 2018 #129
Wasn't there an earlier post today about firstwife Aug 2018 #29
When Dems fight each other in generational warfare, who benefits? IronLionZion Aug 2018 #31
No One.... LovingA2andMI Aug 2018 #35
Republicans and Russian trolls IronLionZion Aug 2018 #36
K&R stonecutter357 Aug 2018 #32
I think he means she zentrum Aug 2018 #33
He may have a point about considering someone else as Speaker, though not because of her age renate Aug 2018 #34
I was not pleased by his comment. sinkingfeeling Aug 2018 #37
Considering that he singled Pelosi out with an "ageist" RW talking point & he Wwcd Aug 2018 #45
Let's not be ageist. Let's not condemn Hogg's youth & inexperience, only his ill-considered content. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #38
Let him say his say. What's new about young people Hortensis Aug 2018 #40
Don't we need to win the midterms first? Corgigal Aug 2018 #41
If he hopes to run in the future... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2018 #44
This is a part of embracing youth movements. NCTraveler Aug 2018 #46
Well stated....thanks for your post. I agree. NRaleighLiberal Aug 2018 #72
what the hell is wrong with people? bigtree Aug 2018 #53
yeah - pretty sure we call this a "representative" government hexola Aug 2018 #54
Apologize for having an opinion? HopeAgain Aug 2018 #62
Wow, saw this coming a mile away. vi5 Aug 2018 #63
Yep. This right here. hueymahl Aug 2018 #137
I'm 71 have voted in EVERY election since it was legal for me to vote. usaf-vet Aug 2018 #65
The Reaction On Twitter... LovingA2andMI Aug 2018 #66
Thank you. Of all OLD Congress people to name, he chooses his best anti-gun rights ally! Wwcd Aug 2018 #67
The Saying Is... LovingA2andMI Aug 2018 #68
Isn't it Ageist to condemn his comments because he's "only 18"? BamaRefugee Aug 2018 #69
exactly azureblue Aug 2018 #135
He's young and has a lot to learn... Kablooie Aug 2018 #70
Understandably impatient Zing Zing Zingbah Aug 2018 #73
Hell, I've been around twice as long (as Mr. Hogg) roughly ut oh Aug 2018 #77
Take your own advice azureblue Aug 2018 #75
You owe ME an apology for that nasty personal reply. Wwcd Aug 2018 #78
No melman Aug 2018 #79
So it's perfectly appropriate to call other politicians too old?? R B Garr Aug 2018 #85
No idea what you're talking about melman Aug 2018 #87
That actually makes sense. You have no idea that this thread R B Garr Aug 2018 #89
No melman Aug 2018 #90
Yes, I read your post. Calling politicians too old is apparently okay. R B Garr Aug 2018 #91
Perhaps you should read it again melman Aug 2018 #93
I saw your post. I saw what you said to Wwcd. This R B Garr Aug 2018 #94
When I jump into the middle of a discussion in which I wasn't participating, I make a practice.... George II Aug 2018 #119
That's terrific melman Aug 2018 #122
Yes, it's a great policy. George II Aug 2018 #124
Yeah melman Aug 2018 #125
Annnnnd, here we go again. It's been fun, but I'm not playing tonight. George II Aug 2018 #127
NO, it's wasn't "perfectly appropriate". Cha Aug 2018 #103
Yes it was melman Aug 2018 #112
NO it wasn't. Cha Aug 2018 #113
Yes it really was melman Aug 2018 #114
NO. Cha Aug 2018 #116
Yes melman Aug 2018 #117
I've got your back on this one,Wwcd. pazzyanne Aug 2018 #115
NO. You're the one who is "getting your drawers in a wad " Cha Aug 2018 #88
Pure ageism (and sexism), Cha mcar Aug 2018 #97
Yes, and it does need to be addressed.. Cha Aug 2018 #102
Just wait, kid The Flood Aug 2018 #81
Maybe he could start by Naming the Pro-NRA Congresspeople Wwcd Aug 2018 #82
An excellent open letter to David Hogg, Wwcd.. it Cha Aug 2018 #86
Democrats do not need to be divided. hamsterjill Aug 2018 #92
I truly hope David Hogg gets this letter. BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2018 #98
Yes, I hope he gets it and it fires him up more hueymahl Aug 2018 #139
Indeed! BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2018 #140
This thread makes me chuckle. aikoaiko Aug 2018 #100
What did he tweet, and why did you not put that? Leave the kid alone, will ya. Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #105
White Males have been the most Pro Gun JI7 Aug 2018 #106
Very disappointed in him. I've lost much respect for him... NurseJackie Aug 2018 #120
Of course you have hueymahl Aug 2018 #138
Thank you! It's because I have higher standards... NurseJackie Aug 2018 #143
He's out over his skis and it's inter-generational strife bucolic_frolic Aug 2018 #131
The young often don't have a lot of respect for the old Mariana Aug 2018 #144
You miss the point bucolic_frolic Aug 2018 #146
K + R Raastan Aug 2018 #133
K&R lapucelle Aug 2018 #134
Republicans fear Pelosi because she is such an effective leader and because she is female. Cassidy Aug 2018 #145
Who are you talking to? Politicub Aug 2018 #147
Let's not have hissy fits over word usage, when his general gist was that she's out of touch Tarc Aug 2018 #150
Apparently, the Misogyny Lessons From 2016 Still Need Teaching dlk Aug 2018 #151
Thank you & apparently those lessons don't want to be learned by those who find them Wwcd Aug 2018 #154
November is very close FlightRN Aug 2018 #152
Indeed. He needs to know his Ageist comment supports his NRA enemies Wwcd Aug 2018 #155

Eliot Rosewater

(31,159 posts)
5. Really? I dont know any Democrats who know anything about anything who do.
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 12:05 PM
Aug 2018

All the Democrats I know understand how fantastic she is just like how fantastic Hillary is.

brush

(54,017 posts)
11. All of us Dems, including that candidate, should not fall for repug framing of who our House...
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 12:13 PM
Aug 2018

leader is. It's clearly an attempt to divide us before the Nov. election. Once the election is over our reps. will vote on it in-house.

Until then it's premature and nobody's business but our own.

Fla Dem

(23,953 posts)
80. Totally agree with you.
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 03:19 PM
Aug 2018

The GOP has fined tuned the art of character assassination. They did it to HRC, Sen Warren and Nancy Pelosi. Unfortunately the MSM picks up on their criticisms and they become mainstream talking points. Speaker Pelosi is a politically savvy and smart woman. She'll weather the storm. The real problem is the GOP will create division in the Democratic Party. Much like BS did during the 2016 primaries.

LakeArenal

(28,909 posts)
101. Indeed!! We need to vote before any decisions can or will be made.
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 08:49 PM
Aug 2018

Nancy is the leader. Today is all we have. Anything beyond that is just speculation.

SCantiGOP

(13,881 posts)
108. Anyone who wants to spend the rest of their evening
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 09:03 PM
Aug 2018

in a never-ending and contentious argument, just stay in this thread.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,159 posts)
19. YOu wont like my answer to that question, but the attempt to destroy the D party from within
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 12:39 PM
Aug 2018

is close to complete so it wont matter soon anyway.

haele

(12,717 posts)
20. Pre-election promises are not the same as post election promises. Whose running for Speaker now?
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 12:41 PM
Aug 2018

Right now, for the Speaker's position, I'm more concerned about whom the Republicans are going to elect. Because THEY HAVE THE HOUSE. Do we want to face Kevin McCarthy, Jim Jordan, or whatever other evilangelical corporatist stooge that they're going to be pushing to take over Paul the weathervain Ryan?

We have to actually win the house before putting people up to run for Speaker. If people stay home because Pelosi has been demonized by the right and they don't want her as speaker, then there's no chance to vote for an effective Democratic House Speaker.
If it takes saying "I won't vote for Nancy Pelosi" to get votes out, it implies to the voter is that someone they feel is more effective than Pelosi - or someone more to their liking - can be nominated when the Democrats take over the house...
No matter if in reality, it doesn't really matter if it's a Wishy-washy third-way Republocrat running against her, or some newbie with delusions of privilege because they represent a politically homogenous district on one side of the spectrum or another, she's going to win, because it's a consensus of democrats - the majority of the party that is actually sitting in the House - that will elect a Speaker of the House.

Saying one won't vote for Pelosi right now is like counting chickens before the eggs are actually laid. And looking at the Democrats looking to run, I honestly don't think they'll be hurt if when we win, they don't vote for Pelosi and she wins anyway.
She is, after all, one of the most effective Speakers of the House in history.
The one thing I can guarantee is whomever we can elect, there's going to be a good number of constituent voters who will be unhappy.

They'll either be not progressive enough, or not inclusive enough, or not "pragmatic" enough, or not <FITB> sparkle pony issue of the year enough. Because that's the way Democrats roll...

Haele

emulatorloo

(44,289 posts)
55. How about not falling for Republican character assassination campaigns and inadvertently helping
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 01:38 PM
Aug 2018

them.

Republicans lie about and try to destroy any effective Democrat. Who ever replaces Pelosi will get the same treatment, unless they are incompetent

Hogg’s young so he has an excuse though.

pazzyanne

(6,560 posts)
104. That says more about them than it does about her.
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 08:54 PM
Aug 2018

It is comments like this that make me question whether or not I want to be associated with small minded individuals, even if they carry a D by their name. There is one Democrat that I have black listed. I was told that we have a big party tent. Attacking our own does no one, especially us any good.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
156. How about those 50 or so candidates actually work on persuading their peers..
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 04:05 PM
Aug 2018

How about we stop encouraging people to guilt shame Pelosi into quitting because let's be real here..

If people actually wanted her removed, they'd do the work to get her removed which again means, persuading their peers and demonstrating they've got someone who has the guts, the wiles and knowledge to pass legislation in these times. But they don't want to do that..

What they want is for her to guilt herself into stepping down. They want her to amputate herself and tell the world that she's too broken down and old and too middle of the road, even though she's well to the left of her own damn caucus which she led through thick and thin.

How much sense does it make to think that people who can't persuade their peers should lead anything in the house?

skylucy

(3,750 posts)
76. +100000000! The people who don't support Nancy Pelosi generally do not have a clue
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 03:00 PM
Aug 2018

how great she was as majority leader!

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,939 posts)
148. I will break this to you gently.
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 11:03 AM
Aug 2018

Not all Democrats are enamored of Nancy Pelosi. I know that here on DU all criticism of her is forbidden, but trust me, she's not universally loved. And if you think only Republicans, or those somehow bamboozled by Republicans are the only ones who do not worship at the Altar of Nancy, you are living in a bubble.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,159 posts)
153. I know who doesnt like her and WHY. Sadly, there are some who dont like her on our side
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 12:00 PM
Aug 2018

who are just ignorant about her.

Or it is a combo of ignorance about her career and positions and actions along with the demand for a perfect politician, all of a sudden.
If these folks refuse to educate themselves about her, not my fault.

procon

(15,805 posts)
23. Uh, no.
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 12:56 PM
Aug 2018

Democrats do not agree with Republican talking points like ageism and misogyny that denigrate, demonize and marginalize women. Some people may have another candidate they prefer for speaker, and that's fine, but no one can match Pelosi's achievements or her clout and effectiveness in getting bills passed.

BeyondGeography

(39,407 posts)
26. This again?
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 01:03 PM
Aug 2018

Oy.

His basic point is House leadership is too old. Holding that view does not make you evil.

FreeState

(10,595 posts)
52. He didnt say leadership was old, he said SHE is old
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 01:33 PM
Aug 2018

that's agism and I hope someone teaches him that agism is just as harmful as any other bias.

“The reason Republicans are successful right now is because they’re empowering young people,” he said. “Older Democrats just won’t move the f**** off the plate and let us take control. Nancy Pelosi is old.” Minority Leader of the United States House of Representatives, Pelosi is a Democrat and 78 years old.

procon

(15,805 posts)
61. Ageism against Democratic women is an attack line that began with Republicans.
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 01:50 PM
Aug 2018

Define "too old"?

There are few complaints about the age of powerful men in the Democratic Party. Younger voters overwhelmingly flocked to 76 year old Sen. Bernie Sanders over the 69 year old Hillary Clinton, who they labeled as old, tired and sickly and mentally challenged. Dianne Feinstein is criticized at age 85. Joe Biden is 74 and generally beloved by the voters, as is 71-year-old Bill Clinton, and civil rights icon, John Lewis is revered at age 78.

It's clearly not a question of age being detrimental among most Democratic men, but women are disproportionately targeted. Republicans have laser focused on age as a means of marginalized and removing the most effective operatives we have, like Pelosi. I wouldn't be surprised if they get a little boost from their Russian pals who seed that attack message all over the internet. The media sure does a copy cat business in rehashing the same stories that are being promoted by Fox and other rightwing sources. Why do some Democrats follow along, repeating the same Republican talking points instead of showcasing the merits of their alternate choices?



Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
110. I gather he was saying she was old, Hatch is old, Trump is old. There is a time...
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 09:10 PM
Aug 2018

There is a time when the baton gets passed to the younger generation. Some don't want to let go of the baton, though.

It is time, I think, for a younger crowd to start getting into positions of power in the Democratic Party, just like in the Republican Party. Paul Ryan, Rubio, and others.

Both Democratic leaders are very old in their way of thinking and in their energy level. I am over 60, myself. It's a new world, new environment. The party needs fresh blood, a younger outlook. Or to put it another way, if we want the younger generation, we have to INCLUDE the younger generation in positions of leadership. Not 18 or 21. But even 40 is in the right direction.

I have noticed a lack of passion in Pelosi & Schumer. An inability to understand a changing world, like thinking that Trump is really a President and would act that way, when most in the country could see it wasn't so.

They're good in their jobs. But others could be good, or better. If the party wants to ignite passion that is more than anger at the opposition, it has to have leaders that ignite passion. Obama did it. He's younger.

procon

(15,805 posts)
126. There is no objection to passing the baton.
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 09:54 PM
Aug 2018

However, to do so using age as the primary rationale for demanding someone with experience relinquish there position to a neophyte who is more youthful, is ridiculous.

I disagree with your contention that age equates to being backward and lacking stamina. Its shameful to marginalize all Democrats by asserting they are too stupid "to understand a changing world." Most senior citizen do not fit that pathetic stereotype image you have portrayed, and definitely not Pelosi.

The influx of youthful candidates should be encouraged at all political levels, mentor them, teach them, but above all, give them time to learn their craft and develop a greater understanding for the business of politicking before they try grabbing the reigns of power. We should not be pigeonholing the entire Dem leadership into retirement just to let some unskilled younger person move to the top slots without ever learning, or earning the right to hold such office.

Worse, we should never compare ourselves, as Democrats, to Republicans like Paul Ryan or Rubio. You say you admire them because they are younger. Seriously? They are NOT "good in their jobs". Have you looked at their records... they passed almost no legislation and the two major efforts are designed to hurt ordinary people and make the rich more money. Their youthful enthusiasm has enacted policies that are destroying the country.

Obama did not "ignite passion" because he was younger. He captured America's attention because he believed in his vision, and he was both smart, charismatic, and a brilliant orator, but above all, Obama was successful because he genuinely cared about people. None of that has anything to do with age.



happy feet

(887 posts)
64. When did old by itself become a disqualifier?
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 01:59 PM
Aug 2018

I'll take effectiveness while building a pipeline any day. No time for neophytes given the current Republicans and Congress.

pazzyanne

(6,560 posts)
107. That depends on who you ask?
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 09:01 PM
Aug 2018

There are plenty of us "grey panthers" out here who would disagree. Ageism is not a good look on anyone. We all get there if we live long enough. Those of us with life experience can contribute in ways the young never can. They are not old enough. See the irony?

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,116 posts)
43. If you wish to be ageist against Pelosi, be consistent & be ageist against Carter & Hillary
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 01:21 PM
Aug 2018

Or did you say Hillary was too old when she was campaigning?

BeyondGeography

(39,407 posts)
47. Apples and oranges
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 01:29 PM
Aug 2018

Pelosi has been D House leader since 2003 and is presently head of an entrenched leadership team that consists of another 78-year-old and a 79-year-old. She has already been Speaker, though not for the last eight years, and she has done relatively little to ease the path for younger members who would like to lead a committee one day, which is basically all of them. There is a lot of opposition to Pelosi in her own caucus; are they ageist too? And why would it follow that if you oppose Pelosi you also had a problem with a 60-something year-old woman going for the one chance she would ever have to be President?

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,116 posts)
58. 2003? Hillary has been active at the highest levels of government since 1993.
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 01:42 PM
Aug 2018

Opposition is fine, though it is best timed after the election Nov 2018 decides if a Democrat is eligible to be Speaker and not divisively in the middle of a crucial election season after almost all the primaries have been decided.

Opposition is fine when focused on policies, approaches, and track records.

Opposition is fine, but focusing on age as you and Hogg do is ageist.

lark

(23,237 posts)
136. His point is a 70 year old woman shouldn't be the Democratic Speaker of the House.
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 09:45 AM
Aug 2018

I am surprised that any Dems would agree with that sexist and ageist rant applied only to women. 18 year olds can be passionate and involved, but that doesn't mean that I would agree with them on everything.

If some Dems are against her because they want a younger male Speaker, well that could be just that they like the guy and don't like her, or it could be that they too are ageist and have issues with women in power.

padah513

(2,520 posts)
48. Yes
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 01:29 PM
Aug 2018

An older friend of mine always used to say, "Keep on living, you'll get here too." That was 30 years ago and damn if he wasn't right.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,159 posts)
3. Propaganda works on all of us to some degree.
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 12:04 PM
Aug 2018

I dont know exactly what Hogg said, but he seems like the type who will accept and understand the importance of people like Nancy once explained to him.

Thrill

(19,178 posts)
4. This is what republicans do. Talk so much shit about someone
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 12:05 PM
Aug 2018

That this kid, has no clue who’s he’s disrespecting.

snowybirdie

(5,261 posts)
7. The young sometimes
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 12:07 PM
Aug 2018

think they know all the answers. That's normal and natural. Wisdom develops with a lifetime of experience. Mr Hogg has done wonderful things, but it's time to take some advice from others more experienced in the political game. Ask the 60s hippies who wouldn't trust anyone over 30! They are retirement age now!

PatSeg

(47,830 posts)
22. My generation knew EVERYTHING
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 12:55 PM
Aug 2018

we were young and our parents were clueless.

When I read what Hogg said said about Nancy Pelosi, Cat Stevens played in my head, "Oh very young, what will you leave us this time". At least young people are stepping up and getting involved and I am grateful for that. They may have a lot of learn, but they do have the energy to make positive changes.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(116,117 posts)
10. He's only 18, so give him a break.
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 12:11 PM
Aug 2018

Back in the '60s when I was that age and we were protesting the Vietnam War, there was a saying, "Never trust anyone over 30!" We were pretty full of ourselves and we thought the "old" people were warmongering plutocrats and all that stuff, and only the young people knew what was really going on. I think the same state of mind has kicked in for some of these kids and it has a lot to do with the passion and self-righteousness of the young.

Maybe Pelosi should offer to meet with him, and, not in a condescending way, have a discussion about what she and other Democrats have tried to do about gun control.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
15. Give him a break? No. He needs to educate himself as to who has fought as he does for gun control
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 12:24 PM
Aug 2018

before he uses his public stage to undermine those very best alliances.

Perhaps he should use his well earned public stage to call out those in Govt who fought & voted AGAINST gun control.
NAME THEM ALL, Mr Hogg.

Every Senator & Rep, young & "old", who has voted against limiting access to weapons in America.

Educate yourself, before throwing your strongest allies aside.

The NRA backed Republican Party applauds your derrision of Speaker Pelosi's age.







Politicub

(12,165 posts)
149. Tbh, this education approach sounds like something a schoolyard bully would do
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 11:04 AM
Aug 2018

“Say you’re sorry.” Seriously?

Foster understanding. Don’t criticize and berate a young person calling someone old.

I’m old. Whatever.

JaneQPublic

(7,113 posts)
16. Yep, when I was 18, the rule was "don't trust anyone over 30."
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 12:27 PM
Aug 2018

Of course, that was a million years ago.

That said, David Hogg and his classmates have done a ton of good for the country, in terms of advancing gun control and voter registration.

Plus, it's been JUST SIX MONTHS since the massacre at his high school. Since then, he's been vilified by the right-wingers and faced death threats weekly.

So, I'm willing to cut him a little slack for voicing an opinion without getting all the facts first. Hell, we all do it all the time here on DU!

procon

(15,805 posts)
30. No. He might be young and inexperienced, but that's a poor excuse that
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 01:10 PM
Aug 2018

will hurt him, even ruin his budding career. He's done some brilliant stuff, and made some thoughtful comments, so he's not without intellect. Those very qualities will make anyone vulnerable, and the growing fame feeds the egos of any public figure.

Likely, he can't recognize that his growing popularity and the accompanying media scrutiny could end his aspirations in a heartbeat. Before he get's too much farther into what could be a fabulous future, someone should help him understand how he could benefit from a wiser and more experienced handler or mentor.

nini

(16,672 posts)
109. He's a mature 18 - he's done good things
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 09:05 PM
Aug 2018

He needs a bit of 'in your face' to hold his own for his causes.. However, he needs to know who's on his side and work with the powerful to achieve his gun goals.

It's not gonna be that young Paul Ryan that's for damn sure.

RockRaven

(15,139 posts)
13. She isn't targeted by GOP b/c she's in the leadership position, she's targeted b/c she's EFFECTIVE
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 12:15 PM
Aug 2018

in the leadership position. Hogg might be dissatisfied with what Congress has done -- or rather not done -- during his lifetime, but Congress would be a hell of a lot more do-nothing without Pelosi.

rogue emissary

(3,148 posts)
14. Reading DU responses to your post is interesting.
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 12:16 PM
Aug 2018

If you point out a young Democrat continues to make misstakes your bashing her. If you call an established and proven Democrat old and demand she step down it's constructive.

The Polack MSgt

(13,210 posts)
17. IKR?
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 12:37 PM
Aug 2018

Interesting that so many people have such different reactions to similar behavior.

All depends on which ox is gored.

 

MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
21. He's asking the right question. Age often equals more net worth in Congress.
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 12:55 PM
Aug 2018

And why is it that nearly every Congress-person leaves the job many times richer (in the tens of millions of dollars in some cases) after working a job that pays them $174k a year?

The oldest members of Congress are often there to line their own pocket books. Serving the people is incidental.

Mariana

(14,863 posts)
59. Most of them are already rich when they first get elected.
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 01:45 PM
Aug 2018

In this country, rich people tend to get richer - often much richer - over time. Rich lawmakers are no exception.

firstwife

(115 posts)
29. Wasn't there an earlier post today about
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 01:05 PM
Aug 2018

how much older Pelosi was when she became speaker? Because she stayed home to raise her kids, unlike Ryan needing to do so? Maybe that point should also be included in this discussion. It made sense to me.

zentrum

(9,866 posts)
33. I think he means she
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 01:11 PM
Aug 2018

...didn't get it done even after 14 years because she fights in conventional ways. There's a lot the Dems could do on the floor of Congress that would get less pro-forma coverage or none at all and that would generate headlines.

I think he's saying it's time for something edgier--less predictable.

renate

(13,776 posts)
34. He may have a point about considering someone else as Speaker, though not because of her age
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 01:11 PM
Aug 2018

It's stupid that she's the boogeywoman for a lot of voters because of GOP propaganda, but first and foremost Democrats have to take back the House. If choosing another speaker is what it takes to get people to vote Democratic, then that's what must be done.

But in that statement, he was a little too full of himself. I admire him tremendously and this was the first mistake I think he's made publicly, but it's a doozy.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
45. Considering that he singled Pelosi out with an "ageist" RW talking point & he
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 01:27 PM
Aug 2018

clearly has no idea what Pelosi has done on behalf of the same cause as Hogg speaks to.

He really should read her Congeessional record of advocating against weapons before spouting & speaking her name.
She os perhaps the best friend Hogg could have in the House when it comes to advocating for his passionate plea for gun control.

Yet he singled out Pelosi? As too fking OLD?

Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Her record on pushing for gun control has been relentless.
He should get to know the voting records 9f those in Congress before he repeats the RW election year dream meme.

The NRA hates Pelosi. And her record tells us why.

Do some research, Mr Hogg. You seriously NEED Speaker Pelosi if you want to finally bring your cause to Law.

Geezus!

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
40. Let him say his say. What's new about young people
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 01:18 PM
Aug 2018

thinking they're having to invent all the answers because older people were too stupid to? Also, he's not only still an adolescent, albeit with impressive achievements*, but still several years short of mature brain development. From there he'll benefit from another 15 years or so of mature growth experiences before becoming something of an equal among adults.

Btw, he's also a good half century shy of the time when counter kids his age will be intolerably bored merely by having to notice someone who's mere existence is a nuisance. His time will come. As for Nancy, although I wish him a wonderful life of public service, the odds are not good that he'll have risen to anywhere in succession to the presidency by that point, much less to second in line.

* David Hogg himself and the rest of that group are an impressive achievement by their female journalism teacher, Ms. Whatshername, whose achievements in teaching them and helping students seize the moment in front of the world's cameras, while staying carefully in the background herself, should be remembered more often, not just by her admiring colleagues.

Corgigal

(9,291 posts)
41. Don't we need to win the midterms first?
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 01:18 PM
Aug 2018

The rest will be figured out in time. If Mr. Hogg is having a hard time reaching out to first time voters because their answer is that politics is just for old people. He needs to make them understand that these policies they are being passed, that it is the young that will live 60 years or more under. If they only live in the present, time will fly. When you're young , you just don't believe that. Humans.

He needs to think it out and get a smart comeback. I'm sure some people would think his parents are old, and he wouldn't be anywhere without them.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,489 posts)
44. If he hopes to run in the future...
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 01:24 PM
Aug 2018

...as a Democrat, insulting other Democrats isn't the way to go.
I'm not a fan of overly restrictive gun laws but Nancy Pelosi is a champion of many causes and issues.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
46. This is a part of embracing youth movements.
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 01:28 PM
Aug 2018

They are going to say some seriously foolish things along the way.

Great time for him to learn. Great time for him so self reflect. He is smart and will do both. Give him some time.

bigtree

(86,045 posts)
53. what the hell is wrong with people?
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 01:34 PM
Aug 2018

...young person wants young people representing him in Congress.

Not uncommon, or even untoward.

Get a grip.

 

hexola

(4,835 posts)
54. yeah - pretty sure we call this a "representative" government
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 01:36 PM
Aug 2018

And he's not feeling represented!

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
63. Wow, saw this coming a mile away.
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 01:55 PM
Aug 2018

Democrats were and are more than happy to use these kids to energize voters around a particular issue, but once those kids refuse to tow the Democratic party line 100% and dared to have opinions of their own on that subject they would get turned on.

The only thing that letter is missing is the requisite admonishment about how much Republicans are worse.

hueymahl

(2,515 posts)
137. Yep. This right here.
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 10:03 AM
Aug 2018

I stand with Hogg. He is the future of the Party.

I also stand with and respect Pelosi. She (and everyone screaming ageism!) need to listen a little more.

usaf-vet

(6,262 posts)
65. I'm 71 have voted in EVERY election since it was legal for me to vote.
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 02:11 PM
Aug 2018

The one consistent thing I have observed is republicans have long term plans that they follow. They remain loyal to their objectives to the EXTREME as we are seeing now. Supporting Trump no mater what.

We Democrats manage to get into pissing matches amongst themselves and often appear to do more to lose political battles than to win the power that we need to solve major problems. Health care for all Americans, gun controls that work and stop violence and access to gun, women right's to make their own decisions about their bodies, voting rights for all, equity rights, fair living wages and benefits to name a few key issues.

David Hogg and the other students have touched a nerve in the fight against gun violence. In their young minds the oldsters in the country have not managed to SOLVE the problem. I can see why they they might be disillusioned with the ability of oldsters to solve the problems.

So let's not fight amongst ourselves. Let's not look at the youngster as inexperienced and unable to bring value to the table.

Remember on more than one occasion in this countries history it was the 18, 19, 20 year old's that were fighting and dying on foreign soil to protect our values.

These kids bring plenty of guts and passion to this battle. Let's recognize that and bring them to the table.

From what I see and have read and they have educated themselves. They have survived a trail by fire, gun fire, and they have a voice that is resonating with others. Let them continue to speak without hindrance from us oldsters.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
67. Thank you. Of all OLD Congress people to name, he chooses his best anti-gun rights ally!
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 02:16 PM
Aug 2018

Holee cow..I hope he realizes what a big pile of RW NRA doo he stepped in by derriding Pelosi.

Someone needed to tell him.

Ugh.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
68. The Saying Is...
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 02:23 PM
Aug 2018
The wiser mind mourns less for what age takes away than what it leaves behind. - William Wordsworth


David needs to grow up, and learn a lot.

azureblue

(2,162 posts)
135. exactly
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 08:51 AM
Aug 2018

Hogg is young. So, using the same standard, it is ageist to call him "young". And to him, Bernie, etc. (and me too) is "old".
Again, the OP still has his righteous indignation all aflame because of the use of the word old. And he avoid the point of my post, and still refuses to take his own advice. His asking for an apology reveals a person who is more interested in finding offense. Note that the OP avoids responding to "Take you own advice", and tries to derail this by taking that one word and running with it. Really now.

I have been called old and I never got a case of the vapors over it, nor was I immediately moved to challenge the speaker to a duel. Get over it. Grow up. Bernie is old. I'm old. Carter is old. The OP is old. Pelosi is old. Facts is facts, and nothing short of a youth serum, is going to change that. The entire establishment is old. Hogg is not and he makes a good point - there is no young blood making decisions, and bring their agenda, and there should be.

So that is the question the OP should be asking, not wasting his time yelling at young whipper snappers, taking offense at being called old (Assuming that his offense is real and not feigned) or shouting at clouds. I say Hogg and a few of his generation should be given seats at the table now. For one thing, he has amply proven that his generation is well informed politically. Let the young man speak and be heard.

Really now.

Kablooie

(18,658 posts)
70. He's young and has a lot to learn...
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 02:24 PM
Aug 2018

But his heart is in the right place.

He has the impatient temperament of youth like those of us from the 60’s and I expect his untethered energy will produce positive things in the future.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
73. Understandably impatient
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 02:41 PM
Aug 2018

We've made no progress on the gun control/mass shootings issue in the last two decades, which is the entirety of his life.

ut oh

(908 posts)
77. Hell, I've been around twice as long (as Mr. Hogg) roughly
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 03:03 PM
Aug 2018

and I'm disappointed in our lack of progress on gun control. I see nothing wrong with the desire to shake up the leadership. I spent the last 20+ years in Pelosi's district. I voted for her every time. I have, however, been disappointed in several large issues. The lack of any investigation into the Iraq debacle, 'single-payer' being off the table when working on ACA legislation being a couple of major ones for me. While Mrs. Pelosi certainly has some accomplishments under her belt, it does not mean she is the right person now.

I believe that many in the Dem leadership are definitely out of touch with younger Dem voters, including Pelosi. Hell, I think they are out of touch with me as well (I'm 48). They talk a good game as all politicians do, but the proof is in the results. We lost the house, and the Senate. Dem leadership seems to have just caved on Obama's SC pick. Say what you want, but I saw no actual fight, just some lame speeches.

Furthermore, the current leadership does not negotiate very well IMO. They seem to do some of the GOP negotiating ahead of time, rather than starting with asking for EVERYTHING they want. This is an area where the GOP stomps the current Dem leadership (ie single-payer being off the table). The GOP DEMANDS they get everything they want and the Dems have to whittle it down.

Others make a very good point here too. We need to focus on taking back the House and the Senate, then we can worry about who will become speaker.

azureblue

(2,162 posts)
75. Take your own advice
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 02:57 PM
Aug 2018

Please get to know your alliances & also your enemies.

Simply apologize.
Thank you


And you should apologize for getting your drawers in a wad for his use of the word "old". Either get some perspective, or quit trying to sow division and discord over one effin word, that, to him, is quite true. I will bet that, to him, you are also "old". Quit making a mountain out of a molehill, and, indeed, Get to know your alliances.

R B Garr

(17,026 posts)
85. So it's perfectly appropriate to call other politicians too old??
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 04:13 PM
Aug 2018

Bernie is the same age. I bet it's not okay to call Bernie too old.

R B Garr

(17,026 posts)
89. That actually makes sense. You have no idea that this thread
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 04:28 PM
Aug 2018

is about calling another politician too old, but you do know enough about the thread to agree that an insulting post is okay. Thanks for explaining...

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
93. Perhaps you should read it again
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 04:41 PM
Aug 2018

Because then you'll see that I didn't say that.


Or don't. I really don't care either way. Not playing this game. So sorry.






R B Garr

(17,026 posts)
94. I saw your post. I saw what you said to Wwcd. This
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 04:43 PM
Aug 2018

thread is about calling a politician too old. I read your post, so sorry.

George II

(67,782 posts)
119. When I jump into the middle of a discussion in which I wasn't participating, I make a practice....
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 09:40 PM
Aug 2018

....of familiarizing myself with the discussion.

George II

(67,782 posts)
124. Yes, it's a great policy.
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 09:49 PM
Aug 2018

You said this, "No idea what you're talking about", and then you ask that question?

It's like deja vu all over again.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
125. Yeah
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 09:53 PM
Aug 2018

But where did I say I wasn't familiar with the thread? Nowhere.


I mean, I get that you're pretending that's what I meant there. But it's not. As you certainly know.

George II

(67,782 posts)
127. Annnnnd, here we go again. It's been fun, but I'm not playing tonight.
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 10:00 PM
Aug 2018

Don't forget to visit the aquarium tomorrow.

pazzyanne

(6,560 posts)
115. I've got your back on this one,Wwcd.
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 09:24 PM
Aug 2018

I can forgive an 18 year old for his passionate comments. However nasty comments by those old enough to know better offend me no end. People, we need to be working together not dividing ourselves by whatever the current issue being discussed. Be careful of your words. They hold power - to heal or to divide.

Cha

(298,323 posts)
88. NO. You're the one who is "getting your drawers in a wad "
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 04:26 PM
Aug 2018

because Wwcd is letting David know that Nancy has been on the side of sensible gun laws and on his same path for many years.

mcar

(42,490 posts)
97. Pure ageism (and sexism), Cha
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 06:56 PM
Aug 2018

No regard for all the contributions Pelosi has made toward sensible gun control.

Cha

(298,323 posts)
102. Yes, and it does need to be addressed..
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 08:52 PM
Aug 2018

I absolutely think if David Hogg thought about Nancy's record.. he would agree with that.

Mahalo, mcar

 

The Flood

(9 posts)
81. Just wait, kid
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 03:53 PM
Aug 2018

This kid is cause trouble for no reason. Mid terms elections haven't even happened yet and he's calling her old and ruffling feathers in the party. At least wait till Jan to start this talk.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
82. Maybe he could start by Naming the Pro-NRA Congresspeople
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 04:00 PM
Aug 2018

You know, the "OLD" ones who worked & voted AGAINST Pelosi & the Dems on Anti-gun legislation.

Educate yourself if you're going to step into this pool, Mr Hogg.
Don't shit on your allies. You'll be needing them.


Hope he gets an education by the replies that followed his 'Old Pelosi' posting.





Cha

(298,323 posts)
86. An excellent open letter to David Hogg, Wwcd.. it
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 04:18 PM
Aug 2018

Last edited Tue Aug 21, 2018, 05:10 PM - Edit history (2)

does need to be pointed out to him who Nancy has stood with all these years!

Thank you!

hamsterjill

(15,225 posts)
92. Democrats do not need to be divided.
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 04:34 PM
Aug 2018

Anything that divides us right now is a bad thing. You can disagree with Nancy, but don’t insult her for being old. We do not need a war between the older Dems and younger ones. Republicans love this.

Age should not be an issue. Achievements should be. So, like her, hate her, whatever your preference. But don’t let Nancy's age (or David Hogg’s for that matter) be an issue.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
105. What did he tweet, and why did you not put that? Leave the kid alone, will ya.
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 08:57 PM
Aug 2018

People are not required to love the same liberals that others love.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
120. Very disappointed in him. I've lost much respect for him...
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 09:41 PM
Aug 2018

... and for all those who try to make excuses for this.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
143. Thank you! It's because I have higher standards...
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 10:45 AM
Aug 2018
138. Of course you have
Would expect nothing less.
Thank you! It's because I have higher standards, and because he's behaving like an ageist brat. Any success he hopes to achieve will come from acting like an adult and being respectful of others. Not only is he harming his own reputation, but he's harming his cause and alienating people who share his views. If he's on a quest to become an offensive kook, it will not serve him well.

bucolic_frolic

(43,614 posts)
131. He's out over his skis and it's inter-generational strife
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 11:02 PM
Aug 2018

The young often don't have a lot of respect for the old. They don't understand wisdom. Wisdom is a measured weighing of issues and experiences over decades of time. I'm never a big fan of young politicians, or young judges. I suppose wisdom begins at different ages in everyone, but I'd say it starts in the 40s - mid to late - to the early 50s for most people. Before wisdom it may be smarts or zealotry, but it's not wisdom.

Mariana

(14,863 posts)
144. The young often don't have a lot of respect for the old
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 10:51 AM
Aug 2018

and the old often feel nothing but contempt for the young. So it has ever been.

There are plenty of old people who have no wisdom at all. Remember that the majority of voters over 45 cast their ballots for Trump in 2016. That wasn't terribly wise, was it?

bucolic_frolic

(43,614 posts)
146. You miss the point
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 10:57 AM
Aug 2018

The deplorables are not well-educated people of principle, professionalism, or wisdom - by definition. They represent petty self-interest. Should have stated that aspect of it. Generalizing as a principle of logic - known as universal instantiation - is not a very wise or logically valid method of reasoning, is it?

Cassidy

(202 posts)
145. Republicans fear Pelosi because she is such an effective leader and because she is female.
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 10:56 AM
Aug 2018

Dems shouldn't fall for the trash talk about Pelosi, just like they shouldn't have fallen for the garbage Republicans spewed about H. Clinton.

We are going to need some tested, experienced leaders as well as enthusiastic new people to get us through the difficult times ahead.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
147. Who are you talking to?
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 10:58 AM
Aug 2018

The future belongs to the young. I would like to see fresh faces in Congress and have modern, progressive ideas introduced.

I love Nancy. I don’t love this bizarre open letter attacking a Stoneman Douglass survivor.

But I hope you feel better now that you have shared your feelings.

Tarc

(10,479 posts)
150. Let's not have hissy fits over word usage, when his general gist was that she's out of touch
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 11:21 AM
Aug 2018

Not that I necessarily support or oppose his opinion on Pelosi, but let's not turn this into some insipid "OMG AGEIST" nonsense.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
154. Thank you & apparently those lessons don't want to be learned by those who find them
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 12:03 PM
Aug 2018

"Politically useful".

We know who they are...


SPEAKER PELOSI'S 14 year record on fighting the RW NRA Lobby from legalizing guns & with it, the murder of innocents.

READ EVERY WORD of 3 PAGES Mr Hogg then come tell us how you really feel about Speaker Pelosi.

You'll need Pelosi's alliance as you challenge the RW NRA.
Hers is as close to your own as you can get.

And NO, you cannot legislate your plans alone.

Start Here:
https://votesmart.org/candidate/public-statements/26732/nancy-pelosi/37/guns#.W32JVHNOk0O





FlightRN

(194 posts)
152. November is very close
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 11:54 AM
Aug 2018

We are in a place where we cannot afford anymore infighting. Period. This young man is seven years my junior, I know how much my mind and critical thinking skills have grown and changed in those seven years. And I was not a victim of a school shooting.

The republicans are pulling out all the stops to try to divide us, we honestly have to put some of these things aside and not conflate them any further.

If we are not on the same page, we need to let that stand and remember we are still all reading from the same book.


 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
155. Indeed. He needs to know his Ageist comment supports his NRA enemies
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 12:18 PM
Aug 2018

Educating himself as to who his true alliances are would be a great step towards his maturing into a future politician.


https://votesmart.org/candidate/public-statements/26732/nancy-pelosi/37/guns#.W32JVHNOk0O

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