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(81,635 posts)Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)Fucking unreal.
Ponietz
(3,034 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,047 posts)ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)They are all just Russian plants.
onecaliberal
(32,920 posts)TomSlick
(11,114 posts)WTF are they thinking?
True Dough
(17,337 posts)than your turn signal fluid thread, Floyd!
That said, I agree with your sentiment.
R B Garr
(16,994 posts)Maraya1969
(22,507 posts)Republican Party. And I am fairly up on things. I always knew it was throwing your vote away but I didn't realize it was organized.
This needs to be taught to everyone. Bill Maher needs to tell people and so do different news sources. Because I bet there are people who don't know and who are being fooled into voting for them
Stallion
(6,476 posts)he made a play that you can't vote 3rd Party numerous times
Maraya1969
(22,507 posts)Or a deliberate entity to try and stop Democrats. THAT needs to be said. I remember him and Michael Moore getting down on their knees and begging Ralph Nader to not run in the 2000 election and the bastard wouldn't step down. That is different than telling people that Nadar was connected with the Republicans and was trying to fuck everything up....which is what he did, along with the cheating in FL
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)However, I also suspect that it was around that time the Rs realized how much damage a third party candidate could do to the Dems and decided to use that going forward. This is, of course, all speculation based on my distrust of the dirty Rs. What I find incredible is that the rest of the voters have not caught on to the notion that third party candidates' main purpose is to gum up the works.
I remember TAing for a class when I was in graduate school (around 2000). I forget what we were discussing, but there was a kid who got angry with all the other students for believing we had a two party system. He actually stood up and started yelling. Young voters like that are what caused the light to go off above the Rs' heads.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)All this election sadness i understand, the rest of the stuff is just sad.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)Maybe it wasn't the Rs but pooty poot who figured it out. He's a scheming bastard.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)even show up at all....for a dinner party serving the same two entree choices again? Maybe would skip that, for some.
Strange how in the land of free speech any free speech from a third, fourth or any other plotical Party is attacked without logical cause.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)still_one
(92,449 posts)persona non grata here
sheshe2
(83,948 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)alp227
(32,064 posts)So the total "liberal votes" (Democrats + Greens) would still not be enough for an outright win.
drmeow
(5,027 posts)should focus on smaller local elections - where they have a chance at winning and where they can have a greater impact on things.
They seem to have the same view of politics that the pro term limits and the people who vote for Trump have - that anyone can do it, that there is no learning curve, and that working your way up isn't necessary. There is a tremendous arrogance about it - vote for me, I've never done anything in government but, hell, how hard can it be?
Some of that may be true for the two major parties but when you have a pretty small footprint, trying to compete with big foot is futile. To make it as an outsider you need huge name recognition and/or an amazing track record. On the other hand, if they get onto school boards and public utility boards and city councils they could actually have an impact at a local level and lay the ground work for a serious shot at the bigger prizes.
Hekate
(90,858 posts)They're not working for the American people, and oddly it is never Republicans who lose when Greens are on the ballot. I wonder why that is?
Dick Nixon had a name for such people in politics: Ratfuckers. What they do is Ratfucking. Democrats and Democratic candidates get Ratfucked.
They can go to Hell.
drmeow
(5,027 posts)would weed out the real Green party types from the Ratfuckers - we'd get to see their policies directly.
Hekate
(90,858 posts)They don't want city councils. The believers all think they can jump straight to POTUS. The candidates seem to have another agenda altogether.
Here's your major clue: Ralph Nader has run several times. He takes money from the GOP. Jill Stein is a hundred times worse: She takes dinner with Vladimir Putin.
They are ratfucking us Democrats and our big tent.
I am done making excuses for their supposed naiveté and supposed good intentions. Old saying: The road to Hell is paved with good intentions. And after participating in Election 2016, they can go there.
rusty quoin
(6,133 posts)but I did know Naders history and it is hard for me to be not be loyal to someone who worked for the good of the people.
Ratfucking gave us Trump. I know that. It is not a game. Its our childrens lives.
JoeOtterbein
(7,702 posts)we curse them out!
(Jeeze!)
Floyd R. Turbo
(26,634 posts)argyl
(3,064 posts)It sucks that they're throwing their vote away but it's better than cancelling a vote for a Democratic candidate.
JoeOtterbein
(7,702 posts)still_one
(92,449 posts)to work with them, but Nader effectively told us to "go to hell"
So, after 2000 and 2016, f**k em.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Most of the Green Party voters saw the error of their ways. Nader's support fell precipitously (by about three-quarters, IIRC). His own 2000 running mate, Winona LaDuke, endorsed Kerry.
This "Fuck you, you Green Party voters" is childish petulance. It is not a considered strategy for winning elections.
still_one
(92,449 posts)or those over at JPR
Please spare me this holier than though nonesense
R B Garr
(16,994 posts)is not childish to give the current greens a taste of their own medicine. If they had been exposed more along the way for the liars and frauds they are, they wouldnt pull in the gullible people that they do. Anyone supporting Jill Stein is not to be taken seriously. The greens are mostly Putin lovers or Republicans, infiltrated to the max. Cmon now! We are not gullible here.
JI7
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still_one
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SemiHalfling
(53 posts)Retweeting gleeful GOP polls?
Years ago when I was too young to understand what politics even were I was naive enough to think they were benign, heres some clear proof thats not the case.
Edit: maybe not all of them everywhere, but they need to press their leaders for some accountability
Mr.Bill
(24,334 posts)that all the Green voters would have voted for the Democratic candidate.
It is my opinion that many if not most of them would not have voted at all. They don't care if they are voting for a losing cause. They lost any interest in our two party system a long time ago, and have little interest in the Democratic or republican platforms. They have no faith in traditional major party candidates at all. The only reason they vote is for the principle of making a protest vote. Frankly, as far as political discourse goes, I wouldn't give them the time of day.
generalbetrayus
(508 posts)might have been moderate Republicans who didn't want to vote for a Trump-loving Republican but couldn't bring themselves to vote for a Democrat either. There is merit to your argument, too.
liberalhistorian
(20,819 posts)fuck themselves, hard, with a long, rusty nail. The party has NEVER done ANYTHING other than help elect Republicans. And maybe that's their whole intended purpose, frankly. I wouldn't be at all surprised.
They only seem to trash Dems and the Dem party, never, or hardly ever, Republicans. And I'm sure Stein enjoyed her little repast with Putin, she certainly appeared to be relaxed and enjoying herself with a tyrannical dictator, the "former" KGB man.
dalton99a
(81,635 posts)Wednesdays
(17,450 posts)Initech
(100,107 posts)amlehn
(15 posts)And I'll say it again. Fucking fuckers. What is exactly to be gained? There is no platform from what I can tell and sadly also there are no more checks and balances for IQ45. So disappointed. Decent showing though. But I'm ready to lose hope.
krawhitham
(4,648 posts)At best maybe the split 60-40 for us
green votes 1,127
676 would go for dems
451 would go for GOP
net gain 225 votes
We're down 1,754 votes
hexola
(4,835 posts))(*^^*&%^&%#%#
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)1.5 percent of ballots cast were provisional meaning those voters were disenfranchised. That is the story of this election, hands down.
iluvtennis
(19,881 posts). This is so SAD. Haven't they learned anything from 2016. When you'rein the fight of your life, you have to put your principle aside and vote for the one who will do the less evil.
luvtheGWN
(1,336 posts)with a 3 or 4-Party system. Problem is (as I see it and putting aside the Greens or the Libertarians) any additional party would be either a far-right or far-left party. The two main parties would veer too far to try to capture those far-right or far-left voters and the US would become even more divided than it already is.
It just wouldn't work in the U.S. In a parliamentary system such as in Canada, the UK, Australia etc. it does tend to work because our system is not an either/or one.
I recall just prior to the 2016 election listening to 3 young people being interviewed on NPR -- 2 were voting Green and 1 was voting Libertarian. They couldn't really explain why -- except to say they were anti-GOP and anti-Democrat.
Just my 2 Canadian cents' worth, friends!
iluvtennis
(19,881 posts)TheRealNorth
(9,500 posts)OP: Keep up the great work
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joshcryer
(62,277 posts)Ponietz
(3,034 posts)LandOfHopeAndDreams
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blue-wave
(4,368 posts)much thought, but I will now actively campaign against them every chance I get.
jalan48
(13,900 posts)OHIO
U.S. House - District 12 - Special General
100 % Precincts Reporting Aug. 07, 2018 22:51 ET
Party Name Votes Vote %
GOP
Balderson, Troy
101,574
50.15 %
Dem
O'Connor, Danny
99,820
49.29 %
Grn
Manchik, Joe
1,127
0.56 %
Gothmog
(145,666 posts)jimlup
(7,968 posts)it is wrong in my opinion to blame the current shambless of our nation's politics on them. They have marginalized themselves and there they will stay.
They will continue to struggle with irrelevance while we retake the country from evil.