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Fuck you, you Green Party voting motherfuckers! (Original Post) Floyd R. Turbo Aug 2018 OP
Useful idiot assholes dalton99a Aug 2018 #1
They did it again Power 2 the People Aug 2018 #2
Aiden says it well Ponietz Aug 2018 #3
Well written! Imaginative! True! +3. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #23
Die Green Party, Die! ProudLib72 Aug 2018 #4
So much that. onecaliberal Aug 2018 #16
Saints above. TomSlick Aug 2018 #5
This seems stronger in tone True Dough Aug 2018 #6
Russia lovers and/or Republicans. R B Garr Aug 2018 #7
This is the first time I have ever heard a declaration that the Green Party is an arm of the Maraya1969 Aug 2018 #8
Maher Does All the Time Because He Supported Ralph Nader and Regrets It Stallion Aug 2018 #10
I've never heard him say that third party was an organized arm of the republican party Maraya1969 Aug 2018 #13
I'm leaning toward Nader not being part of the R party's plans ProudLib72 Aug 2018 #25
Folks believing Nader was Party of the Republicans plan have a poor grasp of history, or Nadar. Fred Sanders Aug 2018 #50
Nader, no. Stein, yes. ProudLib72 Aug 2018 #53
Me too...and the math says almost all the Green vote would go Democrat, or these voters would Fred Sanders Aug 2018 #15
Igor Bobic from HuffPost just tweeted this oberliner Aug 2018 #9
There used to be a TOS rule that if you didn't vote for the Democrat in the election you were still_one Aug 2018 #11
STILL IS! sheshe2 Aug 2018 #17
Did those dirty ******** get a win for the GOP again? workinclasszero Aug 2018 #12
Apparently not as the Republican is ahead by more than the entire Green Party vote total. n/t PoliticAverse Aug 2018 #28
The Republican has 50.15% of the vote as of now. alp227 Aug 2018 #49
IMO the Green Party (and other non mainstream parties) drmeow Aug 2018 #14
I USED to say that. But that was before it became glaringly obvious who they really work for... Hekate Aug 2018 #27
Running in smaller local elections drmeow Aug 2018 #32
I've been earnestly giving that advice since 1998. I am so DONE. They don't want school boards... Hekate Aug 2018 #46
You are probably right. I cared nothing about Stein, rusty quoin Aug 2018 #58
Seems to me we need to win Green Partiers voters. Let's ask them to vote for us, Before JoeOtterbein Aug 2018 #18
Give me a fucking break! Fuck them and everyone that votes like them! Floyd R. Turbo Aug 2018 #21
Absolutely. I think they'd be an easier convert than a die hard Trumper. argyl Aug 2018 #22
Exactly! Easy Does It! JoeOtterbein Aug 2018 #24
Been there, done that. Perhaps you don't recall the 2000 election, when the Democratic party wanted still_one Aug 2018 #42
Perhaps YOU don't recall the 2004 election. Jim Lane Aug 2018 #61
Childish petulance? You mean LIKE THIS still_one Aug 2018 #62
Wrong. We've learned a lot since 2000 and it certainly R B Garr Aug 2018 #63
no, we need to expose them as their goal is to help republicans JI7 Aug 2018 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author argyl Aug 2018 #19
You do realize that isn't the same thing as the context being presented here, right? still_one Aug 2018 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author argyl Aug 2018 #47
Ooh this makes me *mad* SemiHalfling Aug 2018 #20
A lot of people here are making the assumption Mr.Bill Aug 2018 #26
Someone on Rachel, I forget who, suggested that some of the Green Party voters generalbetrayus Aug 2018 #54
The whole Green party can go liberalhistorian Aug 2018 #29
+1 dalton99a Aug 2018 #30
... Wednesdays Aug 2018 #31
The Green Party: how is this still a thing? Initech Aug 2018 #33
Yup! Pretty much what I just said to my brother. amlehn Aug 2018 #34
It's not like they would vote overwhelming for dems if they did not vote green krawhitham Aug 2018 #35
The Green Party can join Alex Jones in life's "Fuck Off!" line. hexola Aug 2018 #36
Voter Suppression Is Bigger Problem DallasNE Aug 2018 #37
In the state this country is in, you have vote for the person who can realistically take on the GOP iluvtennis Aug 2018 #38
There are those who suggest that the USA would be better off luvtheGWN Aug 2018 #41
And we appreciate your $0.02. iluvtennis Aug 2018 #43
Scott Walker says TheRealNorth Aug 2018 #39
Post removed Post removed Aug 2018 #40
Green Party voters are idiots. joshcryer Aug 2018 #48
Exhibit A Ponietz Aug 2018 #55
Blame The Democrats Who Didn't Bother To Vote nt LandOfHopeAndDreams Aug 2018 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author chwaliszewski Aug 2018 #52
I never gave them blue-wave Aug 2018 #56
It looks like the Green vote really didn't matter. jalan48 Aug 2018 #57
Agreed Gothmog Aug 2018 #59
Calm down... they were never with us anyway jimlup Aug 2018 #60

True Dough

(17,337 posts)
6. This seems stronger in tone
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 10:22 PM
Aug 2018

than your turn signal fluid thread, Floyd!

That said, I agree with your sentiment.

Maraya1969

(22,507 posts)
8. This is the first time I have ever heard a declaration that the Green Party is an arm of the
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 10:24 PM
Aug 2018

Republican Party. And I am fairly up on things. I always knew it was throwing your vote away but I didn't realize it was organized.

This needs to be taught to everyone. Bill Maher needs to tell people and so do different news sources. Because I bet there are people who don't know and who are being fooled into voting for them

Stallion

(6,476 posts)
10. Maher Does All the Time Because He Supported Ralph Nader and Regrets It
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 10:27 PM
Aug 2018

he made a play that you can't vote 3rd Party numerous times

Maraya1969

(22,507 posts)
13. I've never heard him say that third party was an organized arm of the republican party
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 10:30 PM
Aug 2018

Or a deliberate entity to try and stop Democrats. THAT needs to be said. I remember him and Michael Moore getting down on their knees and begging Ralph Nader to not run in the 2000 election and the bastard wouldn't step down. That is different than telling people that Nadar was connected with the Republicans and was trying to fuck everything up....which is what he did, along with the cheating in FL

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
25. I'm leaning toward Nader not being part of the R party's plans
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 10:49 PM
Aug 2018

However, I also suspect that it was around that time the Rs realized how much damage a third party candidate could do to the Dems and decided to use that going forward. This is, of course, all speculation based on my distrust of the dirty Rs. What I find incredible is that the rest of the voters have not caught on to the notion that third party candidates' main purpose is to gum up the works.

I remember TAing for a class when I was in graduate school (around 2000). I forget what we were discussing, but there was a kid who got angry with all the other students for believing we had a two party system. He actually stood up and started yelling. Young voters like that are what caused the light to go off above the Rs' heads.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
50. Folks believing Nader was Party of the Republicans plan have a poor grasp of history, or Nadar.
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 12:12 AM
Aug 2018

All this election sadness i understand, the rest of the stuff is just sad.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
53. Nader, no. Stein, yes.
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 12:37 AM
Aug 2018

Maybe it wasn't the Rs but pooty poot who figured it out. He's a scheming bastard.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
15. Me too...and the math says almost all the Green vote would go Democrat, or these voters would
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 10:34 PM
Aug 2018

even show up at all....for a dinner party serving the same two entree choices again? Maybe would skip that, for some.

Strange how in the land of free speech any free speech from a third, fourth or any other plotical Party is attacked without logical cause.

still_one

(92,449 posts)
11. There used to be a TOS rule that if you didn't vote for the Democrat in the election you were
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 10:28 PM
Aug 2018

persona non grata here

drmeow

(5,027 posts)
14. IMO the Green Party (and other non mainstream parties)
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 10:31 PM
Aug 2018

should focus on smaller local elections - where they have a chance at winning and where they can have a greater impact on things.

They seem to have the same view of politics that the pro term limits and the people who vote for Trump have - that anyone can do it, that there is no learning curve, and that working your way up isn't necessary. There is a tremendous arrogance about it - vote for me, I've never done anything in government but, hell, how hard can it be?

Some of that may be true for the two major parties but when you have a pretty small footprint, trying to compete with big foot is futile. To make it as an outsider you need huge name recognition and/or an amazing track record. On the other hand, if they get onto school boards and public utility boards and city councils they could actually have an impact at a local level and lay the ground work for a serious shot at the bigger prizes.

Hekate

(90,858 posts)
27. I USED to say that. But that was before it became glaringly obvious who they really work for...
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 10:55 PM
Aug 2018

They're not working for the American people, and oddly it is never Republicans who lose when Greens are on the ballot. I wonder why that is?

Dick Nixon had a name for such people in politics: Ratfuckers. What they do is Ratfucking. Democrats and Democratic candidates get Ratfucked.

They can go to Hell.

drmeow

(5,027 posts)
32. Running in smaller local elections
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 11:09 PM
Aug 2018

would weed out the real Green party types from the Ratfuckers - we'd get to see their policies directly.

Hekate

(90,858 posts)
46. I've been earnestly giving that advice since 1998. I am so DONE. They don't want school boards...
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 11:50 PM
Aug 2018

They don't want city councils. The believers all think they can jump straight to POTUS. The candidates seem to have another agenda altogether.

Here's your major clue: Ralph Nader has run several times. He takes money from the GOP. Jill Stein is a hundred times worse: She takes dinner with Vladimir Putin.

They are ratfucking us Democrats and our big tent.

I am done making excuses for their supposed naiveté and supposed good intentions. Old saying: The road to Hell is paved with good intentions. And after participating in Election 2016, they can go there.

 

rusty quoin

(6,133 posts)
58. You are probably right. I cared nothing about Stein,
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 01:26 AM
Aug 2018

but I did know Nader’s history and it is hard for me to be not be loyal to someone who worked for the good of the people.

Ratfucking gave us Trump. I know that. It is not a game. It’s our children’s lives.

JoeOtterbein

(7,702 posts)
18. Seems to me we need to win Green Partiers voters. Let's ask them to vote for us, Before
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 10:40 PM
Aug 2018

we curse them out!

(Jeeze!)

argyl

(3,064 posts)
22. Absolutely. I think they'd be an easier convert than a die hard Trumper.
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 10:45 PM
Aug 2018

It sucks that they're throwing their vote away but it's better than cancelling a vote for a Democratic candidate.

still_one

(92,449 posts)
42. Been there, done that. Perhaps you don't recall the 2000 election, when the Democratic party wanted
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 11:41 PM
Aug 2018

to work with them, but Nader effectively told us to "go to hell"

So, after 2000 and 2016, f**k em.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
61. Perhaps YOU don't recall the 2004 election.
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 07:52 PM
Aug 2018

Most of the Green Party voters saw the error of their ways. Nader's support fell precipitously (by about three-quarters, IIRC). His own 2000 running mate, Winona LaDuke, endorsed Kerry.

This "Fuck you, you Green Party voters" is childish petulance. It is not a considered strategy for winning elections.

R B Garr

(16,994 posts)
63. Wrong. We've learned a lot since 2000 and it certainly
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 01:29 AM
Aug 2018

is not “childish” to give the current “greens” a taste of their own medicine. If they had been exposed more along the way for the liars and frauds they are, they wouldn’t pull in the gullible people that they do. Anyone supporting Jill Stein is not to be taken seriously. The greens are mostly Putin lovers or Republicans, infiltrated to the max. C’mon now! We are not gullible here.

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SemiHalfling

(53 posts)
20. Ooh this makes me *mad*
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 10:41 PM
Aug 2018

Retweeting gleeful GOP polls?

Years ago when I was too young to understand what politics even were I was naive enough to think they were benign, here’s some clear proof that’s not the case.

Edit: maybe not all of them everywhere, but they need to press their leaders for some accountability

Mr.Bill

(24,334 posts)
26. A lot of people here are making the assumption
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 10:54 PM
Aug 2018

that all the Green voters would have voted for the Democratic candidate.


It is my opinion that many if not most of them would not have voted at all. They don't care if they are voting for a losing cause. They lost any interest in our two party system a long time ago, and have little interest in the Democratic or republican platforms. They have no faith in traditional major party candidates at all. The only reason they vote is for the principle of making a protest vote. Frankly, as far as political discourse goes, I wouldn't give them the time of day.

generalbetrayus

(508 posts)
54. Someone on Rachel, I forget who, suggested that some of the Green Party voters
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 01:00 AM
Aug 2018

might have been moderate Republicans who didn't want to vote for a Trump-loving Republican but couldn't bring themselves to vote for a Democrat either. There is merit to your argument, too.

liberalhistorian

(20,819 posts)
29. The whole Green party can go
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 11:03 PM
Aug 2018

fuck themselves, hard, with a long, rusty nail. The party has NEVER done ANYTHING other than help elect Republicans. And maybe that's their whole intended purpose, frankly. I wouldn't be at all surprised.

They only seem to trash Dems and the Dem party, never, or hardly ever, Republicans. And I'm sure Stein enjoyed her little repast with Putin, she certainly appeared to be relaxed and enjoying herself with a tyrannical dictator, the "former" KGB man.

amlehn

(15 posts)
34. Yup! Pretty much what I just said to my brother.
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 11:10 PM
Aug 2018

And I'll say it again. Fucking fuckers. What is exactly to be gained? There is no platform from what I can tell and sadly also there are no more checks and balances for IQ45. So disappointed. Decent showing though. But I'm ready to lose hope.

krawhitham

(4,648 posts)
35. It's not like they would vote overwhelming for dems if they did not vote green
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 11:11 PM
Aug 2018

At best maybe the split 60-40 for us

green votes 1,127
676 would go for dems
451 would go for GOP

net gain 225 votes

We're down 1,754 votes

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
37. Voter Suppression Is Bigger Problem
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 11:14 PM
Aug 2018

1.5 percent of ballots cast were provisional meaning those voters were disenfranchised. That is the story of this election, hands down.

iluvtennis

(19,881 posts)
38. In the state this country is in, you have vote for the person who can realistically take on the GOP
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 11:16 PM
Aug 2018

. This is so SAD. Haven't they learned anything from 2016. When you'rein the fight of your life, you have to put your principle aside and vote for the one who will do the less evil.

luvtheGWN

(1,336 posts)
41. There are those who suggest that the USA would be better off
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 11:34 PM
Aug 2018

with a 3 or 4-Party system. Problem is (as I see it and putting aside the Greens or the Libertarians) any additional party would be either a far-right or far-left party. The two main parties would veer too far to try to capture those far-right or far-left voters and the US would become even more divided than it already is.

It just wouldn't work in the U.S. In a parliamentary system such as in Canada, the UK, Australia etc. it does tend to work because our system is not an either/or one.

I recall just prior to the 2016 election listening to 3 young people being interviewed on NPR -- 2 were voting Green and 1 was voting Libertarian. They couldn't really explain why -- except to say they were anti-GOP and anti-Democrat.

Just my 2 Canadian cents' worth, friends!

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jalan48

(13,900 posts)
57. It looks like the Green vote really didn't matter.
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 01:16 AM
Aug 2018

OHIO
U.S. House - District 12 - Special General
100 % Precincts Reporting Aug. 07, 2018 22:51 ET
Party Name Votes Vote %
GOP
Balderson, Troy
101,574
50.15 %
Dem
O'Connor, Danny
99,820
49.29 %
Grn
Manchik, Joe
1,127
0.56 %

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
60. Calm down... they were never with us anyway
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 11:50 AM
Aug 2018

it is wrong in my opinion to blame the current shambless of our nation's politics on them. They have marginalized themselves and there they will stay.

They will continue to struggle with irrelevance while we retake the country from evil.

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