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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThere are no longer any "third party" candidates.
If you are not running as a Democrat, you're running as a Trumpster.
TheFarseer
(9,328 posts)Do you not understand the republicans say the same thing and its equally true? If youre voting third party, youre voting for Hillary. Try to convince people to vote D with something positive rather than assuming everyone is on team D and some people are just being brats.
kcr
(15,331 posts)invalidate the point? In fact, the GOP tend to have a very loyal voting base, so it seems like right wingers actually listen. If only the voters on our side would realize the reason they keep seeing this point over and over.
TheFarseer
(9,328 posts)Almost always get more votes than the green candidate? Try to appeal to them rather than shame them. People dont react well to being shamed. It just makes them resentful and less apt to do what you suggest. I recommend going over all the policies Democrats advocate that would help them and possibly all the policies Republicans favor that would hurt them. It wont be hard to come up with a few good bullet points.
boston bean
(36,228 posts)The stakes are way to high to bend over for jerks who cant seem to grasp the severity of our circumstance right now.
TheFarseer
(9,328 posts)Given that we are talking about a very small percentage of the population. My only point is that the Rs have the same issue and its not going away for either side so I dont know why we have to keep screaming about it.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"so I dont know why we have to keep screaming about it..."
You're unable to understand why people are concerned about and discuss something that both negatively impacts the Democratic party and is ongoing?
Edit: I used the more accurate "concerned about and discuss" rather than the melodramatic pretense, "screaming."
TheFarseer
(9,328 posts)But as I pointed out, the Rs lose more votes to libertarians than we lose to Greens so at worst it evens out. And secondly, brow beating stubborn people over and over again only turns them off. If people were posting the Ds record on the environment vs. the Rs to appeal to greens, then that would be a good post.
orangecrush
(19,679 posts)completely.
Atticus
(15,124 posts)2.). I assume that nearly everyone regularly posting on Democratic Underground is "on the D team".
3.) Are you aware that " the Dems have nothing positive to run on" is a right-wing meme?
4.). I wouldn't call those urging a 3rd party "protest vote" in this treacherous political climate brats, but I would call them either fools or trolls.
TheFarseer
(9,328 posts)1. Dont be cute. You know this general point is made 1,000 times per day on this site.
2. I guess I was assuming you are making this point away from this site also.
3. I absolutely never said that. Is setting up a straw man the only way you can debate?
4. I feel like they are just on a different team and from time to time they can be persuaded to vote D but you have to remember it takes a different sort of person to identify with a party that never wins-a stubborn person that wont be shamed into voting a certain way.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)But the Greens have now thrown two presidencies to the GOP, and are planning to try and do the same thing again in 2020. So, evidently, the fact that Green party candidacies are pro-GOP spoiler operations is apparently not clear to everyone. Hence the posts.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)does not itself prove that had they not been in the race those votes would have gone to the Democrat. I'm not saying some wouldn't have, but obviously some of the voters they are attracting are disaffected by the two-party system, typically, so I'm not sure that a party speaking to them is the reason they didn't come out to vote for Gore or Clinton. If you think the greens are effective at stoking that disaffection...I certainly wouldn't suggest that they have no impact on that, but you can't look at their vote totals and simply apply them to another candidate in a theoretical void of their existence.