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[0rganism]

1. i wonder how much it saves their company in employer-provided coverage

their ROI has to be significant or they wouldn't move in this direction

[marble falls]

5. We pay for employer backed programs, too, in lower wages. I love my socialist single payer health ..

care program with the VA.

[ancianita]

17. Also, Koch held back on his companies' ROI 'til a Republican prez needed increased votes to keep

their majority party's (in govt.) minority rule (EC technicalities) after November's shaky election.

When you fear a big voter turnout against your party, it's time to pivot to playing "the good party" to win elections. That's when people will forgive and forget Republicans have been consistently up to no good for anyone. Republicans never write good policy, foreign or domestic, but will steal every good idea from their opponents when they can't cheat their way into a win.

If they bring such a Medicare For All bill to a vote, don't be surprised to see them raid Social Security afterward, since present medicare comes out of, and is run by Social Security.

[applegrove]

2. We pay for our healthcare in Canada with a sales tax: send your teen to the mall

with $100, $7 goes to the government. We pay sales tax on non necessities like haircuts, restaurants, clothes, decor. And it works.

[SoCalDem]

4. The US used to have a "luxury tax"

My aunt had a clothing boutique, and everything we sold had a 10% tax, plus the state sales tax
Anything that was not a necessity was considered a "luxury"..

[catrose]

7. That's a lower tax rate than in my US city

And sadly does not include health care

[Bengus81]

10. Lower than my sales tax too,by a small margin and yeah,not health care comes from it.

[applegrove]

12. Oh we have provincial sales tax too. It ads up to 15% or so.

[applegrove]

13. All together with provincial sales tax we pay 15%. Poor people get money back every quarter.

[jayschool2013]

8. Here's a better plan

Send your teen to the mall with $50.

[Hoyt]

3. The only problem with Medicare-for-All is that so many people are too stupid to understand

the sizable increase in taxes will actually save them money by offsetting/reducing costs they are paying otherwise. And, there are a lot of white wingers -- mostly -- who don't want any portion of "their" taxes going to others. They'd rather sit around smoking, eating cruddy food, and guzzling beer, without decent health coverage, than develop a system that can improve everyone's lives.

I really believe a Public Option for people to buy into Medicare is the only way to go. Otherwise, those opposed to Medicare-for-all will impede enactment, as they have done for decades. At least with a public option, if it is as good as we think, most people will gravitate toward it quickly. Then, the ignorant might come around.

[Liberalagogo]

6. Someone explain which article is correct

as they say 2 opposite things:

this thread....

or this one:

Study: 'Medicare for all' projected to cost $32.6 trillion

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10942111

It's the SAME study...what am I not getting?

[Joe Nation]

9. They say the same thing but one forgets to mention the actual costs over 10 years

[pazzyanne]

11. The article at the link goes into more detail, not just showcasing the $32.6 figure

"Federal health expenditures refer to health spending from the federal government in particular. Since the federal government takes on nearly all health spending under Medicare for All, federal health expenditures will necessarily go up a lot, $32.6 trillion over the ten-year period according to Blahous. But this is more of an accounting thing than anything else: rather than paying premiums, deductibles, and co-pays for health care, people will instead pay a tax that is, on average, a bit less than they currently pay into the health care system and, for those on lower incomes, a lot less."

https://jacobinmag.com/2018/07/medicare-for-all-mercatus-center-report

[applegrove]

14. Thanks for explaining.

[smirkymonkey]

15. K&R

[SunSeeker]

16. Yep, but more people see the ABC story on this than the Think Progress story.

And ABC's headline was the eye-popping costs. https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/study-medicare-bill-estimated-326-trillion-56906940 Because that's what gets the clicks. So we need to be able to address this and not shy away from the fact that raising taxes, even by a lot (e.g., most people's federal income tax bill will double), to pay for single payer is still worth it and saves people money overall.