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Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 11:53 AM Jan 2012

Amnesty International on NDAA: ""Trust me" is not enough of a safeguard"

"Despite expressing serious reservations, the Obama administration has paved the way for legislation that will authorize indefinite detention. The bill places enormous power in the hands of future Presidents, and the only answer the President has is to say "trust me."

"Once any government has the authority to hold people indefinitely, the risk is that it can be almost impossible to rein such power in. President Obama has failed to take the one action – a veto – that would have blocked the dangerous provisions in the NDAA. In so doing, he has allowed human rights to be further undermined and given Al Qaeda a propaganda victory."

Amnesty International and over 45 other organizations will protest the NDAA and Guantanamo in front of the White House on January 11--the 10th anniversary of the "war on terror" prison. Sign up at http://www.amnestyusa.org/jan11.

http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/press-releases/trust-me-is-not-enough-of-a-safeguard-says-amnesty-international-as-president-obama-signs-the-ndaa-i

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Amnesty International on NDAA: ""Trust me" is not enough of a safeguard" (Original Post) Luminous Animal Jan 2012 OP
Bingo. mmonk Jan 2012 #1
I'm not even sure he trusts himself. Autumn Jan 2012 #2
"my Administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American a simple pattern Jan 2012 #5
Papers please! quinnox Jan 2012 #3
This hatred of Obama is getting out of hand. comipinko Jan 2012 #4
This betrayal by Obama is getting out of hand Remember Me Jan 2012 #19
LOL, forgot to add: " sarcasm" comipinko Jan 2012 #20
In a democracy the people are not supposed to "trust" politicians. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2012 #6
Time to throw Amnesty International under the bus Ichingcarpenter Jan 2012 #7
Amnesty International is a Paulite. Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #8
*wiping screen* i_sometimes Jan 2012 #13
Kick. Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #9
K&R (nt) T S Justly Jan 2012 #10
what if it is s-s-s-sung s-s-s-s-softly hfojvt Jan 2012 #11
Oh, I loved watching that movie with my daughter when she was little! Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #17
AI goes under da bus! Odin2005 Jan 2012 #12
They're just jealous! n/t QC Jan 2012 #14
Boy the last time we heard a similar phrase was from the bankers. midnight Jan 2012 #15
"Serious Reservations", but signs it anyway. bvar22 Jan 2012 #16
I have no idea theaocp Jan 2012 #18
k and r SpiralHawk Jan 2012 #21
K&R Wind Dancer Jan 2012 #22

Autumn

(45,508 posts)
2. I'm not even sure he trusts himself.
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 11:57 AM
Jan 2012

He had "serious reservations" about it and signed it anyway. Some times you just have to say, hell no I'm not doing this.

 

a simple pattern

(608 posts)
5. "my Administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 12:05 PM
Jan 2012

citizens..." ... I'll leave that for all future Presidents whoever they may be... probably...

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
3. Papers please!
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 11:57 AM
Jan 2012

The NDAA is a giant step towards this nightmare Orwellian vision coming to the USA. 1930s Germany is not something to strive to emulate.

Saying "My fellow Americans, I promise I won't use this" is meaningless, because Obama will be gone eventually, maybe sooner rather than later depending on the elections.

 

comipinko

(541 posts)
4. This hatred of Obama is getting out of hand.
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 11:58 AM
Jan 2012

I think "trust me" is good enough. Afterall, or government knows best.

 

Remember Me

(1,532 posts)
19. This betrayal by Obama is getting out of hand
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 09:39 PM
Jan 2012

YOU may trust Obama (I don't think I do) -- but what about the next guy? Or the one after that?

We're supposed to be "a nation of LAWS, not men." So we don't have to rely on their good will.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
6. In a democracy the people are not supposed to "trust" politicians.
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 12:13 PM
Jan 2012
"History has tried to teach us that we can't have good government under politicians.  Now, to go and stick one at the very head of government couldn’t be wise." Mark Twain

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
16. "Serious Reservations", but signs it anyway.
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 01:20 PM
Jan 2012

His name will now always be at the bottom of this horrendous bill.
It IS the historical equivalent of "I APPROVE this message."

He SHOULD have refused to sign it,
and DARED Congress to pass it over his veto,
unless he was just bullshitting again about having "serious reservations."

That way, HIS Name would NOT appear at the bottom of this historical document.

[font size=6] ..Because ITS the LAW now![/font]
signing statements and other equivocations do not matter.



You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.
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theaocp

(4,284 posts)
18. I have no idea
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 08:08 PM
Jan 2012

why this is such a hard concept to grasp, unless people just do not want to understand it. That might make some sense. What a clusterfuck.

Wind Dancer

(3,618 posts)
22. K&R
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 09:58 AM
Jan 2012

Excellent article - EVERYBODY should be outraged over this. The apologists will regret this one day, mark my word.

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