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babylonsister

(171,111 posts)
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 06:16 PM Jul 2018

Former National Security Official Calls For People To Act If Trump Strips Security Clearances

https://www.politicususa.com/2018/07/23/former-national-security-official-calls-for-people-to-act-if-trump-strips-security-clearances.html

Posted on Mon, Jul 23rd, 2018 by Jason Easley
Former National Security Official Calls For People To Act If Trump Strips Security Clearances


A former senior national security official told MSNBC’s Nicolle Wallace that people need to act if Trump moves to strip security clearances away from former officials who criticize him.

Video @ link:

Wallace said, “A former senior intelligence officially spoke to today following the White House threat called today’s announcement a watershed moment of the Trump presidency and said, quote, if we have come to a point when we use the stripping of security clearances to deny free speech, we have crossed an American line and people need to act. He also said of the individuals named by the White House today who he knows well, quote, the danger here is that while traditionally former directors have not entered the political debate, they have been called Nazis by this president and these guys feel there is a need to protect the community because Trump has crossed lines that create danger. This former official added, quote, the standard for stripping clearances is the disclosure of classified information, and none of these individuals have disclosed classified information. They’re doing no more than exercising their first amendment right to criticize a sitting president.”

The White House floated the idea today of taking away the national security clearances of former CIA director John Brennan, former FBI director James Comey, Michael Hayden, Susan Rice, former acting director of the FBI Andrew McCabe, and former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper. All of these people have two things in common. They either investigated the Russia scandal, or they have criticized Trump.

If the president does start taking away security clearances, it will be a move intended to silence criticism of him from within the intelligence community. Donald Trump is a threat to the First Amendment and national security.

He is threatening to abuse presidential power to silence criticism, and if he follows through, Congress and the American people must be prepared to act.
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Former National Security Official Calls For People To Act If Trump Strips Security Clearances (Original Post) babylonsister Jul 2018 OP
Stand up for the USA Achilleaze Jul 2018 #1
I think former officials should simply surrender their clearances voluntarily in protest. Xipe Totec Jul 2018 #2
How the hell is THAT helping anything? hlthe2b Jul 2018 #4
Its not appeasement; it's a fuck you, I don't need no stinking clearance. nt Xipe Totec Jul 2018 #7
I could not disagree more. n/t hlthe2b Jul 2018 #8
you're entitled, even if you don't have a clearance. nt Xipe Totec Jul 2018 #9
what the hell does me not having a clearance (assuming I don't) have to do with my comments? hlthe2b Jul 2018 #11
That not having a clearance has never prevented anybody from having an opinion Xipe Totec Jul 2018 #14
I'm tired of some always wanting to appease these corrupt people instead of fighting. hlthe2b Jul 2018 #17
Many of these individuals Docreed2003 Jul 2018 #26
Yes, exactly. mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2018 #31
Semper Fortis, mahatmakanejeeves. Haggis for Breakfast Jul 2018 #32
That's the place, the Naval Air Technical Training Center. mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2018 #35
Not only have they paved the streets, Haggis for Breakfast Jul 2018 #36
Get outta here. At least they still have tumbleweeds blowing through town, right? NT mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2018 #38
Nope. Haggis for Breakfast Jul 2018 #39
another reason to take to the streets. trump abuse of presidential power trueblue2007 Jul 2018 #3
This may be the step that creates the crumbling of the Trumpism infecting the Congress....... northoftheborder Jul 2018 #5
we can rule out congressional action, which leaves the American people 0rganism Jul 2018 #6
How long do you think u can personally, unilaterally rule out congressional action? FreepFryer Jul 2018 #10
at least until 2nd week of November 0rganism Jul 2018 #12
I would suggest a lot can happen between now and November, majorities notwithstanding. FreepFryer Jul 2018 #13
and i wish you the very best of luck 0rganism Jul 2018 #16
Who is this former senior intelligence official? gratuitous Jul 2018 #15
Apparently a pal of Nicole's. You make very good babylonsister Jul 2018 #18
Bravo! Great post. Mr.Bill Jul 2018 #20
Note to trump: don't piss off the people associated with those who protect you. George II Jul 2018 #19
Dubya used to do this as well, as I recall. sandensea Jul 2018 #21
And both selected by the electoral college having lost the popular vote. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #27
Isn't that something? sandensea Jul 2018 #28
Dump has to be stripped of his security clearance as well burrowowl Jul 2018 #22
Their clearances interfere with Trump lying. lpbk2713 Jul 2018 #23
he would be violating the free speach of individuals . AllaN01Bear Jul 2018 #24
Just imagine what powers Trump is exercising against his enemies that haven't made the papers yet. LudwigPastorius Jul 2018 #25
K&R Scurrilous Jul 2018 #29
"They're doing no more than exercising their first amendment right to criticize a sitting president" blue-wave Jul 2018 #30
media should call this for what it is Takket Jul 2018 #33
Recommended. H2O Man Jul 2018 #34
"... exercising their first amendment right to criticize a sitting president." area51 Jul 2018 #37

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
1. Stand up for the USA
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 06:20 PM
Jul 2018

Block KGOP-republican-russian kristo-fascist efforts to weaken and destroy American democracy.

Xipe Totec

(43,892 posts)
2. I think former officials should simply surrender their clearances voluntarily in protest.
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 06:21 PM
Jul 2018

They hold them only in case the current administration might need their advise on sensitive matters.

They don't need the security clearances; the government needs them to have them.

So screw them.

hlthe2b

(102,552 posts)
4. How the hell is THAT helping anything?
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 06:22 PM
Jul 2018

You suggest yet more appeasement from those with honor to those who have none and seek unquestioned power.

hlthe2b

(102,552 posts)
11. what the hell does me not having a clearance (assuming I don't) have to do with my comments?
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 06:36 PM
Jul 2018


This isn't about ME!

Xipe Totec

(43,892 posts)
14. That not having a clearance has never prevented anybody from having an opinion
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 06:42 PM
Jul 2018

Is your anger getting in the way of understanding a simple premise?

These senior former government officials don't need to have clearances and taking them away is not going to shut them up. It's a stupid move on the Dumpster's part to even consider this petty move and it's only going to backfire. By renouncing a secret clearance you not only take away his toy, but you turn his stupid move against him.

hlthe2b

(102,552 posts)
17. I'm tired of some always wanting to appease these corrupt people instead of fighting.
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 06:45 PM
Jul 2018

and clearly laying out for the American people exactly what they are doing.

Your argument is just that IMO. Yes, that make s me angry. I'm not willing to appease these people.

Docreed2003

(16,905 posts)
26. Many of these individuals
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 08:18 PM
Jul 2018

Are able to parlay their clearances into civilian jobs. By stripping their clearances, Trump is not only acting in an unprecedented fashion to attack critics, he's stripping these individuals of potential civilian jobs.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,755 posts)
31. Yes, exactly.
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 08:51 PM
Jul 2018

When I was in the service, I held a secret clearance. I had the lowest level of clearance anyone could have, but without it, I could not have held the job I held. It was something I worked for; something I had. It was not something that I would have given up willingly.

If Rand Paul and Trump get away with this, then the First Amendment has no meaning.

I took my training at NAS Memphis, by the way, but I haven't been back to Memphis in decades.

Thanks for the post.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
32. Semper Fortis, mahatmakanejeeves.
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 08:56 PM
Jul 2018

I was there too, for "A" school, The sign said "Welcome to Millington" on both sides of the sign.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,755 posts)
35. That's the place, the Naval Air Technical Training Center.
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 09:07 PM
Jul 2018

I was there for AV "A" and TD "A" schools.

I think the streets have been paved since I was there.

Best wishes.

northoftheborder

(7,575 posts)
5. This may be the step that creates the crumbling of the Trumpism infecting the Congress.......
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 06:22 PM
Jul 2018

We need to start tripling down on our rep. contacts............

0rganism

(23,994 posts)
6. we can rule out congressional action, which leaves the American people
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 06:26 PM
Jul 2018

congress won't act because a majority either agrees with the Trump agenda or fears the consequences of opposing it
which leaves We The People
who elected this defective congress in the first place

so i'm not feeling a lot of hope on this one...

FreepFryer

(7,077 posts)
10. How long do you think u can personally, unilaterally rule out congressional action?
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 06:32 PM
Jul 2018

Tomorrow is always another day...

FreepFryer

(7,077 posts)
13. I would suggest a lot can happen between now and November, majorities notwithstanding.
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 06:40 PM
Jul 2018

I’m not waiting for november.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
15. Who is this former senior intelligence official?
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 06:44 PM
Jul 2018

And THIS is what finally got this official off his or her dead and dying ass to denounce Trump - the threat to revoke security clearance for (presumably) other former intelligence officials? Consider what Trump has gotten a pass on, and this is not an exhaustive list by any means, that this unnamed senior intelligence official let slide until (at long last) now:

Meeting privately with Russian spies in the Oval Office
Calling the independent media the enemy of the people
Denigrating gold star families and the sacrifice of their loved ones
Meeting privately with Vladimir Putin without any other government officials

So, what prompted this formerly somnambulant official to stir and anonymously, discreetly, ruminate against Trump? A close personal friend finally get caught in the cross-hairs? Is there anyone left who can speak up for former intelligence officials? Or have all other responsible citizens been discounted to such a degree that our complaints are no longer entertained in the political discourse? How's it feel to be on your own, former senior intelligence officials? You didn't stick up for large swaths of the citizenry when our rights were being curtailed; now it's your turn. Who's left to join their voice to yours?

babylonsister

(171,111 posts)
18. Apparently a pal of Nicole's. You make very good
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 06:50 PM
Jul 2018

points; what took him so long and why remain anonymous, especially if he's a former?

lpbk2713

(42,775 posts)
23. Their clearances interfere with Trump lying.
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 07:46 PM
Jul 2018


And he just can't have that. Not when he has been
proven to be the most lying president in history.

LudwigPastorius

(9,262 posts)
25. Just imagine what powers Trump is exercising against his enemies that haven't made the papers yet.
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 07:52 PM
Jul 2018

True, most in the intelligence agencies despise the fucker, but, he's still their boss.

blue-wave

(4,375 posts)
30. "They're doing no more than exercising their first amendment right to criticize a sitting president"
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 08:28 PM
Jul 2018

Absolutely correct. The thing is, bullies and thugs never really care about the rights or the lives of others. As is typical of extremely narcissistic sociopaths, only they matter and to hell and even death for anyone who disagrees with them.

Trump threw out a feeler today. He wants to know how far he can push his crushing our rights. If he wins this battle, this might not be far behind:

Means Used by the Nazi Conspirators in Gaining Control of the German State (Part 10 of 55)

https://fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/resource/document/DOCNAC9.htm

(1) On 30 January 1933, Hitler became Chancellor of the German Republic. (2 After the Reichstag fire of 28 February 1933, clauses of the Weimar Constitution guaranteeing personal liberty an freedom of speech, of the press, of association and assembly, were suspended. The Weimar Constitution contained certain guarantees as to personal freedom (Article 114), as to inviolability of the home (Article 115), and as to the secrecy of letters and other communications (Article 117). It also had provisions safeguarding freedom of speech and of the press (Article 118), and of assembly (Article 123), and of association (Article 124). The Reich President was authorized, "if public safety and order in the German Reich are considerably disturbed or endangered," to take steps to suspend "the Fundamental Rights" established in Articles 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124, and 153. (Article 48

(2) (2050-PS) On 28 February 1933, the Nazi conspirators, taking as their excuse a fire which had just destroyed the Reichstag building, caused to be promulgated a Decree of the Reich President suspending the constitutional guarantee of freedom. This decree, which purported to be an exercise of the powers of the Reich President under Article 48 (2) of the Constitution, and which was signed by the Reich President, Hindenburg, the Reich Chancellor, Hitler, the Reich Minister of the Interior, Frick, and the Reich- Minister of Justice, Guertner, provided in part: "Sections 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124, and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice. Thus, restrictions on personal liberty, on the right of free expression of opinion, including freedom of the press, on the right of assembly and the right of association, and violations of the privacy of postal, telegraphic, and telephonic communications, and warrants for house-searchers, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed."

Takket

(21,708 posts)
33. media should call this for what it is
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 08:57 PM
Jul 2018

he is a petty little mewling baby upset that someone isn't nice to him and this is how he is lashing out.

area51

(11,943 posts)
37. "... exercising their first amendment right to criticize a sitting president."
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 10:49 PM
Jul 2018

I like what Theodore Roosevelt had to say.

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