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Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 01:41 PM Jun 2018

It's pretty sad that, despite everything, Trump has his lowest disapproval rate since May, 2017...

It's currently 51.3 (average - on RCP).

That's the lowest it's been since May 2nd, 2017.

This is what concerns/scares me. No matter the depravity of the White House, Trump's disapproval has steadily declined from a high of 58.1 in Dec., 2017 to where it is now.

When will the tide completely turn on the White House?

I absolutely believe Trump's success is tied to the economy. It has given him cover and has allowed for Americans to ignore what is happening, either with his legal issues or at the border.

I guess I'll take solace in the fact that Trump is still under water in his approval/disapproval. But he's getting closer and closer to breaking even there - he's +7.6 in his disapproval. That's the best he's been since March, 2017, just weeks into his presidency.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

Hopefully there's a delay in these numbers and he's hit hard by the border stories.

But I'm not holding my breath.

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It's pretty sad that, despite everything, Trump has his lowest disapproval rate since May, 2017... (Original Post) Drunken Irishman Jun 2018 OP
The border stories might hurt him. bearsfootball516 Jun 2018 #1
Yup. Drunken Irishman Jun 2018 #2
The economy won't always save you though. John Fante Jun 2018 #3
I think we will see an erosion in his numbers from the church base. kimbutgar Jun 2018 #4
Polls lag behind events. This might be the bump from the NK debacle, Squinch Jun 2018 #5

bearsfootball516

(6,377 posts)
1. The border stories might hurt him.
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 01:44 PM
Jun 2018

But to borrow a term, it’s the economy stupid! As you mentioned. For most Americans, the economy is what matters most. And it doesn’t matter if this economy is due to Obama, what a lot of begets see is Trump has been president for a year and a half, and the economy is humming along.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
2. Yup.
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 01:52 PM
Jun 2018

I think the economy is what saved Pres. Clinton in the 90s. Had his scandal happened with an economy similar to what Obama was dealing with in 2010, he would've been removed from office or forced to resign. What helped him immensely was the public support - as his approval surged in the wake of the Lewinsky scandal. Sure, a lot of that was do to GOP overreach but it was also because people supported the job he was doing. The economy was at its best in their lifetime and they absolutely felt he deserved a lion's share of the credit.

The economy goes south, though, and people aren't as dismissive of your faults. Clinton's approval would have tanked in '98 with an economy like we had in 2010. He would have struggled fighting back a message that resonated with Americans and the pressure from his own party, due to his low approval numbers, might've been so strong that inevitably stepped down.

Now that's not to say Trump CAN be shielded from the economy forever. IF Mueller does have a great deal of evidence, and presents report that is crystal clear, Trump is in trouble. If it's murky, though, or fails to explicitly tie Trump to any wrong-doings, he'll survive this ... maybe even come out more popular for it...if the economy is still surging.

I think liberals are just assuming the other domino will fall and Trump will collapse. Right now, it's not happening. And that's directly tied to the economic success he's seeing.

Trump's first term, in overall approval, is very similar to Bush's second term. That's at least some good news for Democrats. But it wasn't until the economy tanked that Bush's disapproval broke out of the high 50s and into the low 60s.

I feel that's the only way we'll get there with Trump ... beyond a true smoking gun in the Mueller probe.

John Fante

(3,479 posts)
3. The economy won't always save you though.
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 02:08 PM
Jun 2018

Bush's approval ratings were horrible in 2006 and 2007, and that was before the country went into recession. Iraq and Katrina brought him down.

Trump's weighted average is at 42%. That is abysmal given the state of the economy. Republican have gone all in with this lobotomized fascist, but the majority of Americans loathe him.

kimbutgar

(21,256 posts)
4. I think we will see an erosion in his numbers from the church base.
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 02:28 PM
Jun 2018

With the Catholics, Methodists and other churches speaking out against him,. The outrage will only increase against him and the lazy rethug party.

Those children crying and pictures of them in the cages will melt away some of his supporters who were on the fence. Especially those who voted for President Obama and then switched to twitter. Like a sandpit that starts filling in at a certain point.

Squinch

(51,079 posts)
5. Polls lag behind events. This might be the bump from the NK debacle,
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 02:28 PM
Jun 2018

though why that idiocy would cause a bump I don't know. But I will look at next weeks numbers to see if this country is really as awful as it looks today

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