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(171,283 posts)
Mon May 28, 2018, 12:09 PM May 2018

Giuliani Concedes that Impeachment is Coming


Giuliani Concedes that Impeachment is Coming
by BooMan
Mon May 28th, 2018 at 10:51:24 AM EST

Rudy Giuliani is way more of an open book than any criminal defense attorney should ever be, but that's a good thing for the public. It allows us to have a better understanding of Trump's thinking and strategy.

Former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani said on Sunday that his repeated imputations of a supposed scandal at the heart of the Robert Mueller investigation – which Donald Trump calls “Spygate” – amounted to a tactic to sway public opinion and limit the risk of the president being impeached.

“Of course we have to do it to defend the president,” Trump’s lawyer told CNN State of the Union host Dana Bash, who accused him of being part of a campaign to undermine the Mueller investigation. Trump has repeatedly called the special counsel’s work a “witch hunt”, despite its producing five guilty pleas, including by three former Trump aides, and evidence of Russian tampering in US elections.

“It is for public opinion,” Giuliani said of his public campaign of dissimulation. “Because eventually the decision here is going to be impeach or not impeach. Members of Congress, Democrats and Republicans, are going to be informed a lot by their constituents. And so our jury – and it should be – is the American people.

“So Republicans largely, many independents, even some Democrats now question the legitimacy of [the Mueller investigation],” Giuliani said.

This is an admission that Trump fully expects Mueller to deliver a report to Congress meriting an inquiry on possible impeachment. Eventually, Giuliani says, the House of Representatives will be faced with the choice of whether or not to impeach the president. Potentially, the Senate will be forced to decide whether to convict or remove the president. Giuliani doesn't say that this is a possibility. It says it is a certainty. And that's a long way from what he said when he was first hired, which was that the whole thing would be wrapped up in a couple of weeks.

I see no particular reason to think Giuliani and Trump are wrong about this prediction. But, either way, they've clearly decided that the best way to defend the president now is to begin the political fight early while Mueller is still compelled to stay mum.

Impeachment is a political matter that is fought over legal principles. If only one side is fighting politically, then that side is winning.

But they have a lot of work to do to delegitimize this investigation if they have any hope of countering the case Mueller is assembling. Once the facts are placed on the table, the advantage will shift hard in the other direction.

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(5,779 posts)
1. If they find money laundering
Mon May 28, 2018, 12:13 PM
May 2018

my hope is that Trump ends up broke. Impeachment would make him a martyr. Being poor would make him.....hard to guess.


(14,665 posts)
6. I'm picturing Trump after his assets are seized.
Mon May 28, 2018, 12:23 PM
May 2018

I guess he’d have to skate by on his good looks and winning personality.


(20,213 posts)
2. This what he wants the conversation to be about, rather than Healthcare and Tax cuts coming up to
Mon May 28, 2018, 12:13 PM
May 2018

the mid terms.


(136,759 posts)
3. they will cry and cry that the bad democrats are out to delegitimize their 'president'
Mon May 28, 2018, 12:16 PM
May 2018

that is what they will run against in the mid-terms....

republicans in congress will run on NOT impeaching and the only question the media will have for democrats is 'are you for impeaching the president?'


(23,587 posts)
7. Smart and savvy Dems
Mon May 28, 2018, 12:26 PM
May 2018

would do well to pivot away from talk of impeachment with the media to stay focused on economic issues, jobs, racial injustice , climate change and education. We can stick it to the Dotard after we win back Congress. Impeachment talk is a setup IMO.


(53,292 posts)
4. fascinating how Donnie just assumes a criminal investigation will lead to him
Mon May 28, 2018, 12:21 PM
May 2018

So you're at a party and you can't find your handbag.
You get everyone's attention and say "hey, has anyone seen my handbag?"

Everyone shrugs except one guy in the crowd who jumps up and down and says "I didn't steal it! I swear I didn't steal it! Fake news!!!"



(47,181 posts)
5. My theory:
Mon May 28, 2018, 12:22 PM
May 2018

1. Rudy is trying to make himself indispensable to Trump with all this media confusion.
2. IF there were an impeachment, it would take more than a few weeks. It could extend into 2020, re-election year for Trump.
3. Trump changes his running mate from Pence to Rudy and attempts to market Rudy in his old role of "American's Mayor".
4. And Trump either resigns or waits for his fate. If he is re-elected, Rudy's in. (I kind of thought this was Chris Christie's MO for endorsing Trump in 2016. All he needed was to show up and to be patient.)


(69,897 posts)
11. He is full of shit. He wants to make the midterms about whether Trump is impeached so
Mon May 28, 2018, 12:38 PM
May 2018

Democrats lose. Smart Democrats won't listen to this shit.

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