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In trumps America money is free speech but not protest. How is this what the NFL is doing (Original Post) onecaliberal May 2018 OP
Colin Kaepernick is considered a starting quarterback by internal NFL applegrove May 2018 #1
I'm done with the NFL. People are just rolling over for these assholes. onecaliberal May 2018 #2
Why do you think freedom of speech applies to private employers? MichMan May 2018 #4
Because during an anthem people should be able to salute it, or not solute applegrove May 2018 #5
They are being given the option not to come out and stand during the anthem. n/t PoliticAverse May 2018 #7
Free speech for some with Citizens United. Not for others with this NFL rule. applegrove May 2018 #8
I see you diidn't answer the question I asked MichMan May 2018 #10
Black Lives Matter is not hurling explosives. Unless of course you are republican applegrove May 2018 #14
Please explain how standing for the anthem is covered by the first amend MichMan May 2018 #16
Are yuh forced to stand for the anthem at work? Pretty sure your not. False comparison. onecaliberal May 2018 #6
So free speech doesn't apply to private employers ...... MichMan May 2018 #11
Yes, you are... brooklynite May 2018 #18
How in any way do you think this is unconstitutional ? MichMan May 2018 #3
The Constitutional protections in the 1st amendment restrict the GOVERNMENT from kelly1mm May 2018 #9
The players can practice free speech. That doesn't shield them from consequences from the employer. Decoy of Fenris May 2018 #12
I am disheartened on why so many do not understand the First Amend. MichMan May 2018 #13
Please actually read the constitution mythology May 2018 #15
Is the NFL a Government Agency? brooklynite May 2018 #17

applegrove

(118,642 posts)
1. Colin Kaepernick is considered a starting quarterback by internal NFL
Wed May 23, 2018, 09:09 PM
May 2018

memo. Owners convinced players last year that Trump had the fans hating on the NFL. As if they are all in it together. It is never logical or fair how things like "free speech" are distributed across the US. That is a form of inequality in itself.

MichMan

(11,919 posts)
4. Why do you think freedom of speech applies to private employers?
Wed May 23, 2018, 10:05 PM
May 2018

Pretty sure I can't say anything I want to my boss and think I should get to keep my job.

applegrove

(118,642 posts)
5. Because during an anthem people should be able to salute it, or not solute
Wed May 23, 2018, 10:59 PM
May 2018

it as they see fit. Free speech.

applegrove

(118,642 posts)
8. Free speech for some with Citizens United. Not for others with this NFL rule.
Wed May 23, 2018, 11:37 PM
May 2018

And the NFL owners get to benefit from both.

MichMan

(11,919 posts)
10. I see you diidn't answer the question I asked
Thu May 24, 2018, 07:18 AM
May 2018

If indeed you have free speech at work, can you say anything you want to your boss and still keep your job?

Can I stand outside his house and hurl expletives at him after work and not be fired?





applegrove

(118,642 posts)
14. Black Lives Matter is not hurling explosives. Unless of course you are republican
Thu May 24, 2018, 10:34 AM
May 2018

and protect your wedge issues like a mother bear.

MichMan

(11,919 posts)
16. Please explain how standing for the anthem is covered by the first amend
Thu May 24, 2018, 11:25 AM
May 2018

Specifically and those other things aren't. I am disappointed with the general ignorance people have of freedom of speech and where and when it applies.

It has absolutely nothing to do with the sincerity or motivation of the anthem protest

I call out someone who doesn't understand what the 1st really means regardless

MichMan

(11,919 posts)
11. So free speech doesn't apply to private employers ......
Thu May 24, 2018, 07:22 AM
May 2018

….. unless it is the anthem? Is it in a different category than other forms of speech?


kelly1mm

(4,733 posts)
9. The Constitutional protections in the 1st amendment restrict the GOVERNMENT from
Thu May 24, 2018, 01:20 AM
May 2018

punishing you for your speech. Your employer (unless it is the government) is not constrained by the 1st amendment.

 

Decoy of Fenris

(1,954 posts)
12. The players can practice free speech. That doesn't shield them from consequences from the employer.
Thu May 24, 2018, 07:25 AM
May 2018

Don't get me wrong, I support and encourage taking a knee during the anthem for political concerns. That said, as with any employer, acting against company/business policy is punishable by fines and/or termination. That's a standard employer/employee thing no matter where you go. The Constitution doesn't apply to private businesses.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
15. Please actually read the constitution
Thu May 24, 2018, 10:56 AM
May 2018

It might help to know what's in it. Just because you really really really hate something, doesn't actually make it unconstitutional.

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