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Mon May 14, 2018, 08:42 AM

This is what the deft handling of the M.E by the presumptive Nobel Prize winner, cough, gets you





At Least 28 Palestinians Die in Protests as U.S. Prepares to Open Jerusalem Embassy
The relocation of the embassy from Tel Aviv was timed for the 70th anniversary of the formation of Israel ó a move that many Israelis have celebrated but that has enraged Palestinians.

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RIGHT NOWPalestinian officials say at least 28 people have died in the latest round of protests.
At least 1,000 Palestinian demonstrators were also wounded along the border fence with Gaza, the Health Ministry reported, as the mass protests that began on March 30 and that had already left dozens dead erupted again.

The relocation of the United States Embassy to Jerusalem from Tel Aviv was set for Monday, timed to the 70th anniversary of the formation of Israel ó a move that many Israelis have celebrated but that has enraged Palestinians.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/14/world/middleeast/palestinian-protests-gaza-us-embassy.html



I'm sympathetic to the plight of both the Israelis and the Palestinians. Why did Trump move the embassy to Jerusalem and poke the Palestinians ? This violence is of benefit to no one.

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Reply This is what the deft handling of the M.E by the presumptive Nobel Prize winner, cough, gets you (Original post)
DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 OP
Zoonart May 2018 #1
DetlefK May 2018 #4
DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #5
cab67 May 2018 #8
LineLineLineLineReply .
dalton99a May 2018 #14
pazzyanne May 2018 #24
workinclasszero May 2018 #27
OliverQ May 2018 #6
lark May 2018 #7
arthritisR_US May 2018 #25
pwb May 2018 #11
olegramps May 2018 #12
CaptainTruth May 2018 #16
Dave Starsky May 2018 #23
el_bryanto May 2018 #2
DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #3
pwb May 2018 #9
FBaggins May 2018 #32
pwb May 2018 #33
2naSalit May 2018 #34
FBaggins May 2018 #36
pwb May 2018 #40
FBaggins May 2018 #44
pwb May 2018 #45
FBaggins May 2018 #46
cab67 May 2018 #10
lunatica May 2018 #37
cab67 May 2018 #38
lunatica May 2018 #39
lunatica May 2018 #41
Sneederbunk May 2018 #13
workinclasszero May 2018 #28
forgotmylogin May 2018 #15
DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #17
BobTheSubgenius May 2018 #18
RandomAccess May 2018 #19
DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #21
Moostache May 2018 #20
DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #22
workinclasszero May 2018 #26
MGKrebs May 2018 #29
asiliveandbreathe May 2018 #30
Uncle Joe May 2018 #31
Me. May 2018 #35
Gothmog May 2018 #42
Blue_Tires May 2018 #43

Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Mon May 14, 2018, 08:53 AM

1. To fulfill biblical prophecy.

This is a sop to the Evangelical right. Of course the PENAC guys like this too.
Jesus Christ....cummonnnnn downnnnnn.

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Response to Zoonart (Reply #1)

Mon May 14, 2018, 09:19 AM

4. Wrong.

It was to score some achievement he can brag about. He is no Christian.

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Response to DetlefK (Reply #4)

Mon May 14, 2018, 09:23 AM

5. It was to do something none of his predecessors did.

They didn't do it despite saying that they would because they knew this would happen.

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Response to DetlefK (Reply #4)

Mon May 14, 2018, 09:36 AM

8. He's not...

...but Pence is.

I donít think this had anything to do with anything Trump thinks or believes. He was probably getting pressure from two major sources of pressure - the evangelical right and Sheldon Adelson.

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Response to cab67 (Reply #8)

Mon May 14, 2018, 10:21 AM

14. .

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #14)

Mon May 14, 2018, 11:35 AM

24. Is it only me or...

does tRump look like pure evil during this prayer? Surprised he did not burst into flames.

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #14)

Mon May 14, 2018, 11:52 AM

27. Trump just can't fake it

and Pence is praying to Ayn Rand.

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Response to Zoonart (Reply #1)

Mon May 14, 2018, 09:25 AM

6. Biblical prophecy requires Israel and Palestine

to sign a peace agreement. War between the 2 doesn't support Biblical prophecy.

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Response to OliverQ (Reply #6)

Mon May 14, 2018, 09:33 AM

7. Guarantee you he knows nothing of biblical prophecy and that had zero to do with this.

This has to do with keep the billions flowing from Adelson, plus a tiny bit of throwing a sop to his misguided idiotic so-called evangelical base.

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Response to lark (Reply #7)

Mon May 14, 2018, 11:43 AM

25. No one is disputing that he is not a

ďchristianĒ and that he knows nothing about biblical prophesy but the Jews have been wanting a one state Jerusalem since 1948 and this happens to fit in perfectly with the evengelicals prophesy BS. So Adelson, Pense and his new Secretary of State are what pushed him in all likelihood.

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Response to Zoonart (Reply #1)

Mon May 14, 2018, 09:43 AM

11. Why would Jesus stop them?

They don't believe in him right! They are Gods people. Old testament folks, like our evangelicals. Jesus is not in this fight.

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Response to Zoonart (Reply #1)

Mon May 14, 2018, 09:48 AM

12. Trump is the president of the evangelicals, ultra-rich, racists, nazis, and down right stupid.

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Response to olegramps (Reply #12)

Mon May 14, 2018, 10:38 AM

16. +1

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Response to Zoonart (Reply #1)

Mon May 14, 2018, 11:34 AM

23. He's trying to foment a war. ANY war.

He's never cracked a Bible and wouldn't have the first clue about anything that's in it.

But he's got John Bolton and others of the "very best people" to tell him how he can quickly become a beloved "War President" like Bush, etc. That's all he cares about.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Mon May 14, 2018, 08:55 AM

2. The thing is that Trump and many right wingers really are ready for Genocide against Palestinians

Either Genocide or Deportation. They see this as a war between two sides, and the only way for Israel to win is for the Palestinians to lose; of course that begs the question of how much more do Palestinians have to lose, which isn't much frankly. So what looks to us like cruelly promoting violence will simply create conditions where Americans and Israelis will be allowed to exterminate the Palestinians.

Maybe I'm reaching but it seems that way to me.

Bryant

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Response to el_bryanto (Reply #2)

Mon May 14, 2018, 09:14 AM

3. This was all too predictable.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Mon May 14, 2018, 09:37 AM

9. Why are they killing people just for protesting?

Someone throw a stone again? Praise Jesus Christ my lord and savior.

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Response to pwb (Reply #9)

Mon May 14, 2018, 12:07 PM

32. They aren't of course

"Protesting" in this case involved arson, explosives, guns, tunnels, and attempts to break through the border fence.



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Response to FBaggins (Reply #32)

Mon May 14, 2018, 12:18 PM

33. Burning tires, tearing at a fence, how many Israelis were hurt or killed? None?

Come on. Who still buys that shit? People are sick of Israel overreacting and fucking up the world economy.

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Response to pwb (Reply #33)

Mon May 14, 2018, 12:26 PM

34. +1

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Response to pwb (Reply #33)

Mon May 14, 2018, 12:34 PM

36. That's it? They're just burning tires and tearing at a fence?

If you can't be honest with yourself... why should anyone else listen?

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Response to FBaggins (Reply #36)

Mon May 14, 2018, 02:50 PM

40. How many Israelis were hurt? Be honest?

With yourself?

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Response to pwb (Reply #40)

Mon May 14, 2018, 03:57 PM

44. Dodging the question?

How many Israelis were hurt? Be honest?

Why does that have anything at all to do with it? Hamas' intent is for civilians to be killed. That's their strategy. They go out of their way to push the women and children forward and take shots from behind them.

There's been no shortage of Israelis killed by terrorist attacks. If Hamas takes shots at IDF soldiers and miss (or hit armor) and the IDF shoots back and hits... does that really become a relevant point because Hamas isn't particularly capable?

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Response to FBaggins (Reply #44)

Mon May 14, 2018, 04:12 PM

45. Children died for slinging rocks.

Your o k with that? You don't kill people just because they are angry at you. The world is watching and it's not good for your side. It was probably a stone that hit your tank. Even if it was a bullet it's not a reason to kill people? It was a fucking tank. Good talk I'm done with it. Peace be with you.

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Response to pwb (Reply #45)

Mon May 14, 2018, 04:26 PM

46. I'm not at all "ok with it"

I just place the blame where it belongs: With the people who wanted those children to die. Hamas.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Mon May 14, 2018, 09:39 AM

10. This is scaring the shit out of me.

A student and I are scheduled to be in Jerusalem at the end of the month for research. Not sure utís A good idea right now, but I want my student to finish her work.

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Response to cab67 (Reply #10)

Mon May 14, 2018, 12:35 PM

37. It depends on where her work is.

You can go to the State Department web site to see if there are any travel warnings. Jerusalem might be too volatile but other parts of Israel, like Tel Aviv are probably safe. And depending on where you live you can contact either the Israeli Embassy or a Consulate. I suggest you do contact them, and do some online research on it.

I would talk to any Israeli researchers you know and study up on the police and military activities in Israel. Unlike the US, Israel has their military patrolling civilian checkpoints and quite a few Palestinian towns, and they also have a dedicated anti terrorist police force.

Good luck!

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Response to lunatica (Reply #37)

Mon May 14, 2018, 01:08 PM

38. Thanks.

The specimens we're looking at are in Jerusalem. There's no point to staying in Tel Aviv.

I've been to Jerusalem before, and felt perfectly safe. In fact, the most uncomfortable I felt was in ultraorthodox Jewish neighborhoods; my wife and I got some seriously dirty looks, even though my wife (who is Jewish) was dressed very modestly. (So was I, for what it's worth.) But this feels different, at least to me; Trump has prompted some very provocative action within Jerusalem itself.

I don't actually have to be in Jerusalem for my own research. I'm going mostly because I really don't want one of my students (esp. a woman) there alone right now.

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Response to cab67 (Reply #38)

Mon May 14, 2018, 01:16 PM

39. Hopefully this flare up will subside quickly

If I recall correctly the kind of street violence like this subsides quickly due to the military although itís mostly in Palestinian areas. Something like this in Jerusalem will probably get quashed very quickly. The city is too important to all sides. But thatís just my opinion which could be really off the mark.

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Response to cab67 (Reply #38)

Mon May 14, 2018, 03:21 PM

41. I think the violence isn't happening in Jerusalem

Itís being reported that itís on the Israeli/Gaza border. Itís about the US Embassy being moved to Jerusalem, but not in Jerusalem.

I imagine itís because Jerusalem is a holy city for the Jews, the Muslims and the Catholics.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Mon May 14, 2018, 10:13 AM

13. Agree that Trump is something out of Revelation.

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Response to Sneederbunk (Reply #13)

Mon May 14, 2018, 11:53 AM

28. Yes...the lawless beast

That's Trump, heart and soul.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Mon May 14, 2018, 10:24 AM

15. I'm sure his Nobel application has been delicately tossed into the "no" pile by now.

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Response to forgotmylogin (Reply #15)

Mon May 14, 2018, 10:55 AM

17. Trump is a malignant clown. This bloodshed is on him.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Mon May 14, 2018, 11:19 AM

18. The "why" of it is of little import now.

So it's either a horrible status quo they can hope will blow over, or a reversal of the decision, which is never going to happen. At least, not until DC is more blue.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Mon May 14, 2018, 11:25 AM

19. "sympathetic to the plight of both the Israelis and the Palestinians" --

 

I felt that way too once upon a time. Mostly I didn't know what was going on and darn sure didn't want to because I can't be interested in and follow everything, and I really didn't care for foreign affairs whatsoever.

Then: Rachel Corey.

The beginning of the end of my dilemma.

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Response to RandomAccess (Reply #19)

Mon May 14, 2018, 11:30 AM

21. You have two peoples with legitimate claims to a parcel of land the size of New Hampshire.

Trump poured gasoline on a fire.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Mon May 14, 2018, 11:29 AM

20. STOP with the "biblical prophecy" BS, PLEASE!!!

That is 100% horseshit nonsense and it is beneath a sentient people to traffic openly in the fever-swamp nonsense of the Fox News / Christo-fascists here.

This is done, as are all things Trump, for craven, temporal gain and without regard for consequences or the harm it may do to others. The calculus here was simple....1) Trump is in a spiral of negative stories and revelations about his shady businesses, shady campaign and shady associates; 2) Trump sees maximum exposure for a distraction by marrying Israel/Jerusalem and Iran/Nuclear Deal as twin provocations to make a dangerous area more so; 3) Trump acts in Trump's interest and ignores EVERYTHING else.

The goddamn Bible and the freaks from Fox and the backwaters of Evangelical wet dreams had nothing to do with his "thinking" on this. Nothing at all...

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Response to Moostache (Reply #20)

Mon May 14, 2018, 11:32 AM

22. He creates distractions to distract from other distractions.

That being said I don't believe a conflagration in the M.E. inures to his benefit.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Mon May 14, 2018, 11:50 AM

26. Certainly deserves a Nobel Peace prize eh?



Also for the imminent attack on Iran.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Mon May 14, 2018, 11:57 AM

29. I can't even imagine the outrage if 46 Israelis had died due to

some political action we took.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Mon May 14, 2018, 11:59 AM

30. Right now..I feel this is a powder keg with a short fuse..and this POS in the WH

just lit it!!!! - So now - the Shiites and Sunnis are sharpening their swords - what the hell..I hope I am wrong...this is not good for anyone...

Screw the evangelical mindwarped Aholes...I cannot find one thing good about them...

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Mon May 14, 2018, 12:00 PM

31. Kicked and recommended.




Thanks for the thread DemocratSinceBirth

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Mon May 14, 2018, 12:34 PM

35. Because BiBi Wants To Distract From His Criminal Case

and be Prime Minister for life

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Mon May 14, 2018, 03:44 PM

43. Naturally the Dudebro left on Twitter is bending over backwards to blame us for this

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