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Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
Mon May 7, 2018, 10:51 AM May 2018

Wypipo


There is a distinction to be made between a term being inoffensive, and a claim that certain people shouldn't find the term offensive.

The term is meant to refer to a group by skin color, and is therefore as offensive as any other term used to refer to any other group. Yes, it is. It's certainly not used as an honorific, or as a term of endearment, or in any way meant to confer any sort of dignity. It is therefore offensive, and any effort to separate it from other racial slurs is fatuous.

What people seem to mean by "inoffensive" in this regard seems to be "you haven't the RIGHT to be offended, because privilege." I guess that's a matter of opinion, which is fine. My opinion is that is bullshit.

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Wypipo (Original Post) Dreamer Tatum May 2018 OP
Agreed, why are white DU members suddenly under attack ? Why is this permissible on DU ? Trust Buster May 2018 #1
Because some people are bored with attacking Trump? TreasonousBastard May 2018 #2
What I find bewildering is the assurance that whiteness is a cure unto itself Dreamer Tatum May 2018 #3
I find it bewildering that you interpret "wypipo" as "whiteness is a cure unto itself". DanTex May 2018 #22
Then work to end it. Anon-C May 2018 #42
Because white people are not under attack on DU. boston bean May 2018 #4
Oh. Then I guess maybe it should be "Racistwypipo"? Dreamer Tatum May 2018 #6
no "wypipo" will suffice. boston bean May 2018 #7
Thanks for proving my point. nt Dreamer Tatum May 2018 #10
Yep dumbcat May 2018 #16
you are proving mine. Thanks so much! boston bean May 2018 #18
For whom? procon May 2018 #39
I prefer to exclude myself from the company of racists and feel 100% correct they are the divisive boston bean May 2018 #50
You mean like saying Effie lacks the understanding of a preschooler? ehrnst May 2018 #105
Crickets. ehrnst May 2018 #131
I see that those among us who are so clearly masterful in their discourse and ehrnst May 2018 #132
What should black folks who are racist be called in your opinion ? Trust Buster May 2018 #9
Racism implies a position of power Lunabell May 2018 #48
Racism doesnt necessarily imply positions of power askyagerz May 2018 #54
Yes, it does EffieBlack May 2018 #55
No if you are blanketing because you hate that group askyagerz May 2018 #60
You don't understand the terminology you're using but saying it over and over EffieBlack May 2018 #63
Actually no. EX500rider May 2018 #66
I grew up with plenty of racists askyagerz May 2018 #80
None of us are likely to meet each other in the real world askyagerz May 2018 #75
I saw that movie Bok_Tukalo May 2018 #78
I wonder why you have the right to define this? wasupaloopa May 2018 #99
I'm not defining it EffieBlack May 2018 #107
It can be from ignorance, hate, superiority issues askyagerz May 2018 #124
Of course it does. Demsrule86 May 2018 #94
Indeed, and I thought this was common sense by now, guess not. Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #77
Where is that written? Common sense the wasupaloopa May 2018 #100
If you do even a minimal amount of studying, beyond looking it up in the dictionary, EffieBlack May 2018 #108
A lot of things are written, and debated, and theorized. Bok_Tukalo May 2018 #110
It certainly has more credibility than a bunch of people sitting around chatting about it on social EffieBlack May 2018 #125
The power plus stipulative definition of racism is not universally accepted. Bok_Tukalo May 2018 #128
Vested interest some have in making sure black people can be racist too, when they cant. Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #119
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2018 #123
... Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #126
Are you making the argument that black people cannot be racist? That they are morally superior? Bok_Tukalo May 2018 #79
Black people do not have the power to do to us what is being done to them with systematic racism... Demsrule86 May 2018 #95
You are stripping the individual of their autonomy. Bok_Tukalo May 2018 #97
No, that's what racism does - that's the point EffieBlack May 2018 #109
You are making the claim that an individual cannot be racist. Bok_Tukalo May 2018 #112
That is nonsense. Power is not meaningless in context with racism regardless of Demsrule86 May 2018 #134
It has nothing to do with moral superiority gollygee May 2018 #118
No racism does not.. But 'Discrimination' implies a position of power nini May 2018 #120
Racists. The same as Asians who are racist, Hispanics who are racist, etc. George II May 2018 #114
Not true, according to the instigator of this nonsense. lark May 2018 #56
since when does any other activism mean someone can't be a racist or bigoted... explain that first. boston bean May 2018 #91
Do racists march against drumpf? lark May 2018 #121
# 1 yes. # 2 they could be wypipo. boston bean May 2018 #122
White people are under attack? EffieBlack May 2018 #8
Disparaging a whole race of people is divisive and ignorant IMO. Trust Buster May 2018 #11
There we go with the "divisive" accusation again EffieBlack May 2018 #12
Very simple. I have a clear understanding of what DU's mission is. Promoting racially motivated Trust Buster May 2018 #13
Your concern is duly noted. /nt tonedevil May 2018 #14
That's not a definition. That's an assertion that you don't like it. EffieBlack May 2018 #15
Glad that you can put it in terms "simple enough" for Effie to understand. ehrnst May 2018 #103
Who is doing that? (nt) ehrnst May 2018 #102
This white person does not feel under attack xmas74 May 2018 #139
I'm a white DU member. I'm not even slightly under attack. DanTex May 2018 #21
Me either Lunabell May 2018 #51
Agree. Didn't even know what the expression meant until I just looked it up... deurbano May 2018 #65
Nor am I , I have however been very kindly and patiently asked to look Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #81
Indeed. (nt) ehrnst May 2018 #133
I'm a white, protestant (in background) middle aged male HopeAgain May 2018 #90
Agreed BlueDog22 May 2018 #140
Same here. xmas74 May 2018 #141
From what I can tell, there are no longer any meaningful rules Crunchy Frog May 2018 #24
BINGO !!!!!!!!! Trust Buster May 2018 #25
Bingo. sarah FAILIN May 2018 #86
Nobody is doing that. NurseJackie May 2018 #29
I agree. Demit May 2018 #40
Weird how you can predict who will say what around here, isnt it! Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #82
This is a great example of white victimhood...seriously on DU? Wypipo is an abbreviation for Demsrule86 May 2018 #61
The main problem is that it's just a respelling of "white people" with a bunch of negatives... TCJ70 May 2018 #64
What negatives? I have seen none... Demsrule86 May 2018 #71
I don't think you know what the word means. TCJ70 May 2018 #73
You do understand this is a humor site and does not make your case as being insulting... Demsrule86 May 2018 #83
It is not an insult it is humor...actually. Demsrule86 May 2018 #92
One would think that what threatens us all would unite us, and we would not use our differences... hlthe2b May 2018 #5
Well, SOMEONE is trying to use our differences to divide us and I'm not convinced it's "US" groundloop May 2018 #49
DURec leftstreet May 2018 #17
I think the real outrage is that Black people dared to label a segment of the white population nini May 2018 #19
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2018 #26
How's the weather in Moscow? KatyMan May 2018 #32
It is a joke too...a humor site for heaven's sake. Demsrule86 May 2018 #85
Completely absurd. DanTex May 2018 #20
My logic is twisted? I didn't say it was as offensive as other words Dreamer Tatum May 2018 #27
Yes, you literally said "as offensive as any other term". Direct quote. Read the OP again. DanTex May 2018 #28
I did say that. My mistake. But I think I'll stick to it, in retrospect. Dreamer Tatum May 2018 #30
Thank you. I rest my case at "wypipo is as bad as the n-word". DanTex May 2018 #31
Is Wypipo the last thing thousands of white people have heard ehrnst May 2018 #101
The fact that you feel the need to use a euphemism for that word should tell you where it stands EffieBlack May 2018 #88
.... ehrnst May 2018 #104
Wow.. exactly. Cha May 2018 #129
... NurseJackie May 2018 #33
They're not ready for you DanTex. Anon-C May 2018 #44
It's a tough old world when one is white. LanternWaste May 2018 #23
I have so many stories to tell about the pain and suffering I have endured due to my white Demsrule86 May 2018 #89
Don't ever change, Dreamer Tatum. WhiskeyGrinder May 2018 #34
I assure you, I won't. Dreamer Tatum May 2018 #45
Why? WhiskeyGrinder May 2018 #53
This message was self-deleted by its author Anon-C May 2018 #46
it is a good indicator on who i can freely disregard as a progressive person. Inkfreak May 2018 #35
What is wrong with Soxfan58 May 2018 #36
I LOL'd True Dough May 2018 #41
All pipo matter! sweetloukillbot May 2018 #113
Can you say double standard? YessirAtsaFact May 2018 #37
The fact you need to use a euphemism to describe what Black people are called ehrnst May 2018 #135
Double standard period YessirAtsaFact May 2018 #136
Not at all period ehrnst May 2018 #137
the term is so loosely designed that its vague boundaries are bound to cause Exotica May 2018 #38
You're very gifted E., 'cloudy, amorphous hipster-net-speak neologism'! appalachiablue May 2018 #74
thank you for the compliment Exotica May 2018 #93
BINGO! Post of the month. BlueWI May 2018 #138
Let's keep it real. The reason that White people are sometimes criticized is walkingman May 2018 #43
::sigh:: I miss being a honky. n/t TygrBright May 2018 #47
"fatuous" betsuni May 2018 #52
The main problem is that it's just a respelling of "white people" with a bunch of negatives... TCJ70 May 2018 #57
... LexVegas May 2018 #58
The term's actual definition mercuryblues May 2018 #59
The problem is the word is literally just "white people" spelled differently TCJ70 May 2018 #62
So what. mercuryblues May 2018 #69
You don't have a problem with a descriptor of an entire race being redefined into a negative? TCJ70 May 2018 #70
You keep insisting that it is a descriptor of an mercuryblues May 2018 #84
White people is a descriptor of an entire race. TCJ70 May 2018 #96
The author is very clear mercuryblues May 2018 #116
This is not an issue to me. I really don't care about derogatory slang for white people. Tobin S. May 2018 #67
My two cents angrychair May 2018 #68
"some move on and some do not. Some quit and some take a break." progressoid May 2018 #115
"The term is meant to refer to a group by skin color ..." left-of-center2012 May 2018 #72
Your logic seems a bit off. kwassa May 2018 #76
This is one of those things on DU that takes on a life it's own. wasupaloopa May 2018 #87
Identity politics and collective guilt do not win elections PatentlyDemocratic May 2018 #98
Trump won using white people's racial anxiety- their bigotry and sexism were normalized. bettyellen May 2018 #106
If you're white and can't handle the phrase wypipo SpicyBoi May 2018 #111
I remember when the term was "honky" treestar May 2018 #117
It always humors me when DU gets into these battles mokawanis May 2018 #127
Seriously ? left-of-center2012 May 2018 #130
I just play the game of "Who's the real racist here?" wonkwest May 2018 #142
My opinion BlueDog22 May 2018 #143

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
3. What I find bewildering is the assurance that whiteness is a cure unto itself
Mon May 7, 2018, 11:03 AM
May 2018

If that were true, there would be absolutely no depression, anxiety, insecurity, rage, despair, sadness, or even melancholy present in any white person. Don't like your circumstances? Why not? YOU'RE WHITE, after all.

We know the opposite is true, of course.

procon

(15,805 posts)
39. For whom?
Mon May 7, 2018, 12:31 PM
May 2018

It's an insider joke, yeah?

Without a cautionary explanation, the intended targets of that racial stereotyping aren't even aware that they are the brunt of a jeering taunt. What great fun, everyone gets a big laugh. That's divisive and exclusionary.

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

boston bean

(36,223 posts)
50. I prefer to exclude myself from the company of racists and feel 100% correct they are the divisive
Mon May 7, 2018, 12:55 PM
May 2018

creeps.

I'm all set. But thank you for your concern about it.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
105. You mean like saying Effie lacks the understanding of a preschooler?
Mon May 7, 2018, 03:12 PM
May 2018

In a passive agressive way of course, and you evade any direct calling out on what that is.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
131. Crickets.
Mon May 7, 2018, 05:36 PM
May 2018

No surprise.

The courage to actually own ones own statements is so rare amongst those who consider those who aren't white boys uppity.

Your intent is divisive and well, let's just say the opposite of inclusive. Clearly.



 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
132. I see that those among us who are so clearly masterful in their discourse and
Mon May 7, 2018, 05:38 PM
May 2018

demeaning posts to Effie, aren't going to own their statements when shown a mirror.

No surprise.

You're going to find a lot of "uppity" types on DU, procon.

It's a progressive website, Honeychile.






Lunabell

(6,105 posts)
48. Racism implies a position of power
Mon May 7, 2018, 12:49 PM
May 2018

Sooooo, "black folks" aren't racist. They may have prejudice, but aren't racist.

askyagerz

(776 posts)
54. Racism doesnt necessarily imply positions of power
Mon May 7, 2018, 01:04 PM
May 2018

Racism is also blanketing an entire race with a stereotype. It comes in many forms. I have been seeing lots of blanketing here on DU.

When someone says white people do this its really no different then a racist saying all black people do that.

Most people on DU have always fought hard for minorities no matter what our skin color.

askyagerz

(776 posts)
60. No if you are blanketing because you hate that group
Mon May 7, 2018, 01:42 PM
May 2018

Its racism. Who cares what we call it and at what line prejudice becomes racism. Its all wrong. And as progressives we should be above this stuff. We are all friends here.

I know all about being judged. I might be white but I come from the bottom and trust me. I was treated like shit from my white community until I fled out west. I was constantly being pulled over and jailed over stuff I didnt do. I feel your pain. Its B.S. and I am am here to stand right beside any of you.

No one cares about the word wypipo but for some reason it always seems to come with the phrase "white people". Now that's what is kind of disrespectful because you are comparing your fellow comrades like we are like those asshole trump people just because we also happen to be white.
Its like you are comparing us to pond scum. Why would you do that lol

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
63. You don't understand the terminology you're using but saying it over and over
Mon May 7, 2018, 01:51 PM
May 2018

again doesn't mean you're using it correctly.

But, whatever. I guess in the end, it doesn't matter what I think, since I'm not likely to ever encounter you in the real world.

EX500rider

(10,849 posts)
66. Actually no.
Mon May 7, 2018, 01:56 PM
May 2018

I know there is a attempt to change the definition to that but here is the correct definition:

A belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism

askyagerz

(776 posts)
80. I grew up with plenty of racists
Mon May 7, 2018, 02:27 PM
May 2018

I understand their traits and habits. And ive seen racists of every color.

askyagerz

(776 posts)
75. None of us are likely to meet each other in the real world
Mon May 7, 2018, 02:21 PM
May 2018

What is that even supposed to mean? Like I said I have your back anytime you need. You obviously don't have mine. If you can't see how blanketing a entire group of your fellow du'ers with trump nuts is betrayel then I guess theres no hope

 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
99. I wonder why you have the right to define this?
Mon May 7, 2018, 02:54 PM
May 2018

These are DU ideas I think. Not universal truths. You do a lot of splanin and bullying I think and in that you are wrong.

I feel that you feel you come from some position of authority because of you happenstance but in reality you have an opinion as do all of us.

I still feel positive toward you and like reading your posts if it means anything

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
107. I'm not defining it
Mon May 7, 2018, 03:21 PM
May 2018

I’m applying the definition developed by the scholars, experts, practitioners, advocates and activists who have studied, analyzed and worked to develop the depth of scholarship that has informed this issue for more than a century

askyagerz

(776 posts)
124. It can be from ignorance, hate, superiority issues
Mon May 7, 2018, 04:33 PM
May 2018

Or a combination. The point is its all tit for tat. One hand washes the other. Racism is prejudices ugly older meaner brother. Like I said i grew up with plenty of racists people around me. I know what makes them tick and all their traits like blanteting racial issues.

I dont need a scientists to give me a checklist to properly identify a turd . If anything listen to what an anthropologists has to say about the issue because its a lot deeper then most people realize.

You know I have never let anyone get away with being a racist in front of me. I always confront them and always try explain why they are wrong. Have even come to blows in bars over what I felt is right. I have great friends of many colors. That is my real world.


Eliot Rosewater

(31,121 posts)
77. Indeed, and I thought this was common sense by now, guess not.
Mon May 7, 2018, 02:24 PM
May 2018

COMMON SENSE dictates racism cant exist without power.

Prejudice can.

 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
100. Where is that written? Common sense the
Mon May 7, 2018, 03:02 PM
May 2018

way you use it is coercive. If a person does not agree with you they lack common sense.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
108. If you do even a minimal amount of studying, beyond looking it up in the dictionary,
Mon May 7, 2018, 03:22 PM
May 2018

you’ll find it’s written in a whole lot of places.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
125. It certainly has more credibility than a bunch of people sitting around chatting about it on social
Mon May 7, 2018, 04:49 PM
May 2018

media.

Quantum physics, philosophy, the law and other areas are studied and analyzed and the opinions of people pontificating but who have never actually studied it don’t trump the people who have actually studied it.

Bok_Tukalo

(4,323 posts)
128. The power plus stipulative definition of racism is not universally accepted.
Mon May 7, 2018, 05:06 PM
May 2018

Sort of like the Many Worlds Theory, metamodernism, and whether or not a sitting president can be forced to court though a subpoena, there is still a great deal of debate.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,121 posts)
119. Vested interest some have in making sure black people can be racist too, when they cant.
Mon May 7, 2018, 04:09 PM
May 2018

Unless they are in countries where BLACK people have the POLITICAL and societal power, then no doubt you will find some racists.

Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #119)

Bok_Tukalo

(4,323 posts)
79. Are you making the argument that black people cannot be racist? That they are morally superior?
Mon May 7, 2018, 02:27 PM
May 2018

I think there is a word for believing such things.

Demsrule86

(68,660 posts)
95. Black people do not have the power to do to us what is being done to them with systematic racism...
Mon May 7, 2018, 02:42 PM
May 2018

The police, Starbucks, gym , job discrimination etc...there was a lynching recently did you know that? We live a life of privilege. Thus the term wypipo has no effect on a white population unlike the N word.

Bok_Tukalo

(4,323 posts)
97. You are stripping the individual of their autonomy.
Mon May 7, 2018, 02:48 PM
May 2018

Power is meaningless in the context of individual traits.

Bok_Tukalo

(4,323 posts)
112. You are making the claim that an individual cannot be racist.
Mon May 7, 2018, 03:28 PM
May 2018

Only a culture or society.

A racist in the United States is not a racist in South Africa? I think the individual is a racist regardless of where they are and that trait does not change depending the political and cultural context where they find themselves.

Demsrule86

(68,660 posts)
134. That is nonsense. Power is not meaningless in context with racism regardless of
Tue May 8, 2018, 11:34 AM
May 2018

individual traits. You can be a jerk if you are a Person of color who dislikes White folks or maybe it is understandable given the treatment they receive...whatever. You can't be racist. You don't have the power to change the circumstances of the White America.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
118. It has nothing to do with moral superiority
Mon May 7, 2018, 04:09 PM
May 2018

We don't have a society where various races are viewed equally. We have a racial caste system with white people on top and people of color below. Things that enforce or hold up that racial caste system are racist.

nini

(16,672 posts)
120. No racism does not.. But 'Discrimination' implies a position of power
Mon May 7, 2018, 04:12 PM
May 2018

2 different things though one leads to another

lark

(23,155 posts)
56. Not true, according to the instigator of this nonsense.
Mon May 7, 2018, 01:26 PM
May 2018

I was emphatically told by the poster who originally defined this (offensive) term that, despite what he said in his OP, wypipo are not necessarily either racist or animal lovers, thereby negating everything said in the original post. So this leaves me with all white people are wypipo, regardless of their mindset, caring, activism, or anything. So, it's just a random insult for any white person? Like we don't already have enough labels to separate and denigrate others? SMH

boston bean

(36,223 posts)
91. since when does any other activism mean someone can't be a racist or bigoted... explain that first.
Mon May 7, 2018, 02:39 PM
May 2018

lark

(23,155 posts)
121. Do racists march against drumpf?
Mon May 7, 2018, 04:15 PM
May 2018

Are people who attend Black Lives Matter rallies considered racists?

boston bean

(36,223 posts)
122. # 1 yes. # 2 they could be wypipo.
Mon May 7, 2018, 04:20 PM
May 2018

ie people who can’t seem to grasp the full experience black persons face.

I run into people all the time who don’t want to get it fully. But are on the right side sometimes. Take my neighbor for example whose wife had a baby before they met. The daughter is now an adult. And he doesn’t get her experience. And took great offense when I attempted to explain he might be missing something in trying to understand her point of view.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
13. Very simple. I have a clear understanding of what DU's mission is. Promoting racially motivated
Mon May 7, 2018, 11:23 AM
May 2018

Derogatory terms IS NOT and SHOULD NOT be the mission of DU. It’s just that simple.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
15. That's not a definition. That's an assertion that you don't like it.
Mon May 7, 2018, 11:26 AM
May 2018

How do you define “divisive” and what is the actual divide you think is caused.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
103. Glad that you can put it in terms "simple enough" for Effie to understand.
Mon May 7, 2018, 03:05 PM
May 2018

I hope she's appropriately "grateful" to you for that.

xmas74

(29,675 posts)
139. This white person does not feel under attack
Wed May 9, 2018, 06:58 PM
May 2018

By the use of the word "wypipo". I know the difference and I catch myself using it regularly, especially in my neck of the woods.

Lunabell

(6,105 posts)
51. Me either
Mon May 7, 2018, 12:56 PM
May 2018

I think it's funny all these "white people" getting their panties in a wad right here on DU. Our privilege is glaring.

deurbano

(2,895 posts)
65. Agree. Didn't even know what the expression meant until I just looked it up...
Mon May 7, 2018, 01:55 PM
May 2018

Since I have no history of being discriminated against because of my race, not to mention no painful history (or history at all) with this particular expression, this just sounds kind of funny to me. I have been discriminated against because of my gender, however, and I have had painful experiences with certain misogynist expressions, so I did feel under attack here when those words (and attending sentiments) were on display. (I can't remember the last time I felt under attack that way, though, so the situation seems to have improved....but I don't participate as much as others, so my experience may not be universal.)

Eliot Rosewater

(31,121 posts)
81. Nor am I , I have however been very kindly and patiently asked to look
Mon May 7, 2018, 02:28 PM
May 2018

at how my privilege and power for over 200 years might affect my observation of race and so on.

When asked to do that I come away with an ENTIRELY different view of just about everything.

But, that is me, and you too it sounds like

Almost makes it PAINFULLY CLEAR why any politician or group of voters who says ECONOMIC issues are more important or equally important to race, why they would say that.

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
90. I'm a white, protestant (in background) middle aged male
Mon May 7, 2018, 02:39 PM
May 2018

I have yet to experience any discrimination of any import. I can loiter where I want, get stopped for a traffic violation and rifle through my glove compartment while the cop walks up and patiently waits for me to locate my insurance and registration without putting his hand on his gun. If someone likes to use the word wypipo, I can't see how that affects me in any way. I'm not hurt, I'm not affected particularly negatively and it's not likely that I will suddenly be required to pay in advance of getting my meal at a Denny's because someone did. If someone who has suffered blatant and insidious discrimination uses that term out of hostility and anger, I can't say I blame them.

xmas74

(29,675 posts)
141. Same here.
Wed May 9, 2018, 07:03 PM
May 2018

I've used the word several times when describing certain people. A recent example was of a Confederate flag waving group organizing a cook out as a membership drive. I had no idea until I drove to a local park for a hike and saw nothing but pick up trucks, flags and smelled burnt hot dogs. My first response? "Damn wypipo gotta ruin my hike."

Crunchy Frog

(26,629 posts)
24. From what I can tell, there are no longer any meaningful rules
Mon May 7, 2018, 11:50 AM
May 2018

on DU. Whatever is the current groupthink is what gets enforced, rather than the TOS.

This is a real problem with a jury system that operates without transparency or accountability IMO.

sarah FAILIN

(2,857 posts)
86. Bingo.
Mon May 7, 2018, 02:36 PM
May 2018

Those in the group making racist comments are the ones on the jury depending on when you report something and who has posted on the thread. The rules are enforced by the rule breakers.

Demsrule86

(68,660 posts)
61. This is a great example of white victimhood...seriously on DU? Wypipo is an abbreviation for
Mon May 7, 2018, 01:46 PM
May 2018

white people which on the face is not offensive...and there has been a veritable meltdown here. Why? Seriously disturbing. This is not an attack and the question is why are so many threatened by this?

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
64. The main problem is that it's just a respelling of "white people" with a bunch of negatives...
Mon May 7, 2018, 01:54 PM
May 2018

...associated with it. It's redefining the phrase "white people" to equal racist. That's what rubs me the wrong way about it. That puts it in a different category to words like cracker or honky or whatever other slang terms for white people exist.

If someone were to write an article inventing and describing the term blapipo with a bunch of negative aspects tied to it, it would be lambasted and deemed entirely unacceptable even if the author says “of course I don’t mean all black people...” And that response would be well earned.

At the end of the day, race based insults aren’t cool. No matter who the target, or the speaker, is.

Demsrule86

(68,660 posts)
71. What negatives? I have seen none...
Mon May 7, 2018, 02:15 PM
May 2018

I just don't see it as an issue. I personally don't believe in race...but sadly we do classify people by manmade racial characteristics like skin color ...no one minds when it is Latinas or Blacks who are categorized...but for white folks...there is a meltdown over a simple from what I can tell abbreviation. I don't find it insulting personally. I am a white person...you want to abbreviate it as wypipo...OK don't care.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
73. I don't think you know what the word means.
Mon May 7, 2018, 02:18 PM
May 2018
http://neguswhoread.com/wypipo-explained/

It’s not just a shortening of white people. It’s a rebranding. And it shouldn’t be acceptable no matter the race being used.

Demsrule86

(68,660 posts)
83. You do understand this is a humor site and does not make your case as being insulting...
Mon May 7, 2018, 02:35 PM
May 2018

I fail understand how you find what amounts to a joke insulting....unless oh dear God...tell me you don't kiss your dog on the mouth!!!!! (Sorry couldn't resist). It is supposed to be funny.

hlthe2b

(102,351 posts)
5. One would think that what threatens us all would unite us, and we would not use our differences...
Mon May 7, 2018, 11:03 AM
May 2018

to divide us. sigh....

groundloop

(11,521 posts)
49. Well, SOMEONE is trying to use our differences to divide us and I'm not convinced it's "US"
Mon May 7, 2018, 12:50 PM
May 2018

In my feeble little brain this seems like exactly the kind of tactic a troll operation would use to weaken us.

nini

(16,672 posts)
19. I think the real outrage is that Black people dared to label a segment of the white population
Mon May 7, 2018, 11:40 AM
May 2018

That's what the perpetually outraged fail to acknowledge. All this outrage that how dare a whole 'race' of people be labeled isn't the problem really.. admit it. It's that Black people called out that type for their fakeness.

There are certainly white people who are of that type wypipo describes - we all know it and those types annoy the hell out of me too. It's made so many people uncomfortable that the point of the term is being proven right here on DU by many.

It's unbelievable that DU has so many posters who fail to acknowledge this and continue to be so butthurt. Being perpetually outraged must be a hobby for some.

Response to nini (Reply #19)

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
20. Completely absurd.
Mon May 7, 2018, 11:44 AM
May 2018
The term is meant to refer to a group by skin color, and is therefore as offensive as any other term used to refer to any other group.


What's actually offensive is a discussion about race that ignores the relative positions of privilege versus repression of the races in our society.

Your twisted logic would imply that "wypipo" is as offensive as the n-word, which is of course insane given the violent history of slavery and discrimination that the n-word endorses. Whereas the term "wypipo", like the term "whitesplain", is in fact use to refer to people who perpetuate that history through their privileged obliviousness.

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
27. My logic is twisted? I didn't say it was as offensive as other words
Mon May 7, 2018, 11:58 AM
May 2018

I said it's offensive.

Show me a sense, any sense in which 'wypipo' is meant in a kind manner. You can't. It's offensive by design, so you can come behind and say that anyone who calls it offensive hasn't a right to call it offensive, because someone else was offended by something else.

In that respect it's not even a word, really. It's a device to draw attention to a grievance.



Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
30. I did say that. My mistake. But I think I'll stick to it, in retrospect.
Mon May 7, 2018, 12:01 PM
May 2018

It is as bad. Because we are supposed to be past the n-word.

Show me the metric you use to determine which word is worst, by the way. Is the n-word 3% worse? 27% worse?

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
101. Is Wypipo the last thing thousands of white people have heard
Mon May 7, 2018, 03:03 PM
May 2018

before they are killed or tortured?

Is "whypipo" something you feel a need to use a euphemism for, such as you do for the N word?

I rest my case.



 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
88. The fact that you feel the need to use a euphemism for that word should tell you where it stands
Mon May 7, 2018, 02:37 PM
May 2018

on the relativity scale.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
23. It's a tough old world when one is white.
Mon May 7, 2018, 11:49 AM
May 2018

My opinion is that a lot of people have found This Week's Topic to illustrate how offended and/or oppressed they are by discussions of racism.

Of course, that sentiment can be plainly seen only after looking beyond the pretense. Without that pretense, there's little more than rationalizing a petulant pretense of martyrdom.

Last week, we had the remarks of tv newsperson from ten years ago, the week before that was the Horrible Offensive Joke at the Correspondents Dinner.

Next week, someone will find the new "Hey! We're Allowed To Be Offended By This!" chickenshit.

Demsrule86

(68,660 posts)
89. I have so many stories to tell about the pain and suffering I have endured due to my white
Mon May 7, 2018, 02:37 PM
May 2018

skin....really/not really.

Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #34)

YessirAtsaFact

(2,064 posts)
37. Can you say double standard?
Mon May 7, 2018, 12:18 PM
May 2018

Because of my skin color and alleged privileged status, it’s okay for a member of another ethnic group to call me a name. I’m not supposed to take offense.

But if I use the N word, because of the color of my skin I’m a horrible racist. I deserve whatever I get.

Yes , I know the difference in history of oppression regarding the N word.

That difference does not make calling me names right or fair. It certainly doesn’t take away my right to be offended.

BTW, if the goal is to offend me, you’ll have come up with a better word.

Wypipo just sounds dumb.


 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
135. The fact you need to use a euphemism to describe what Black people are called
Wed May 9, 2018, 01:31 PM
May 2018

and don't feel a need to with Wypipo, says it all.

If wypipo was the last word that thousands of white people heard before they were killed or tortured by mobs, then there would be a double standard.

But it's not, so to say that there is a double standard sounds like a desperate attempt to justify one's own discomfort with some sort of outrageously insensitive and tone deaf, not to mention innacurate, false equivalency.

 

Exotica

(1,461 posts)
38. the term is so loosely designed that its vague boundaries are bound to cause
Mon May 7, 2018, 12:24 PM
May 2018

confusion and divisiveness. That is a the epitome of a classic shit-stir. The stirring continues when you have a now-divided group start to turn on each other, with the leaders of one side or the other (in this case I see it more with the purveyors of the wypipo meme) turning it into some sort of combination purity test and a dominance scheme (ie. subtle hints in a direction that if you dislike the term you are somehow suspect).

I, as a PoC, am never going to use it. I have far better things to do and I think "racist" and "privileged" are already useful word tools for my kit. I don't need cloudy, amorphous hipster-net-speak neologisms to fight my battles for what I believe in. I so hope this claptrap doesn't become a "thing" here in Europe.

Just my two cents.............

appalachiablue

(41,170 posts)
74. You're very gifted E., 'cloudy, amorphous hipster-net-speak neologism'!
Mon May 7, 2018, 02:20 PM
May 2018

I like that, seriously.
-----------
Somebody buz me once we move on from white privilege and into male privilege, ok? That'll be the day.

Thom H. and a few others have mentioned this for years but haven't managed to get there yet.

 

Exotica

(1,461 posts)
93. thank you for the compliment
Mon May 7, 2018, 02:40 PM
May 2018

I also would love to see a world where white privilege is dispersed to the ash heap of history. It is going to take centuries more, if ever, for this to happen, as it is a way for the dominant power structure to organically keep control. I personally, being a multi-racial/cultural melange, represent a biological way out in terms of end-games, but anti-miscegenation practices, no matter if we speak of "white" Europeans here in Europe itself (especially the Eastern part), or in the Western hemisphere, are still a powerful blocking force at tap-root levels.

BlueWI

(1,736 posts)
138. BINGO! Post of the month.
Wed May 9, 2018, 06:25 PM
May 2018

The racial politics of this site are consistently divisive with a throwback tone. It's distressing but oddly fascinating to see nominally progressive thinking web posters struggle so much to achieve common courtesy and reasonably clear critical languages to describe identity. Imposing the silly term Wypipo on others doesn't help.

walkingman

(7,657 posts)
43. Let's keep it real. The reason that White people are sometimes criticized is
Mon May 7, 2018, 12:42 PM
May 2018

probably because of "white privilege" and because the GOP is made up of mostly WP. Being a white guy myself I am somewhat disgusted by the amount of racism, misogyny, and just plain nastiness by many Whites simply based upon ethicity and skin color. BTW - this is not new but I think the GOP has clearly used tribalism to push their greedy agenda.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
57. The main problem is that it's just a respelling of "white people" with a bunch of negatives...
Mon May 7, 2018, 01:28 PM
May 2018

...associated with it. That's what rubs me the wrong way about it. That puts it in a different category to words like cracker or honky or whatever other slang term for white people exists.

If someone were to write an article inventing and describing the term blapipo with a bunch of negative aspects tied to it, it would be lambasted and deemed entirely unacceptable even if the author says “of course I don’t mean all black people...” And that response would be well earned.

At the end of the day, race based insults aren’t cool. No matter who the target, or the speaker, is.

mercuryblues

(14,537 posts)
59. The term's actual definition
Mon May 7, 2018, 01:34 PM
May 2018

means racist. It also includes black people like Omerosa, Ben Carson, and Diamond and Silk.

You can't change the definition of the term to make it fit into a perceived slight.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
62. The problem is the word is literally just "white people" spelled differently
Mon May 7, 2018, 01:48 PM
May 2018

If you respell a phrase that encompasses an entire group and say it means racist...that seems like a problem to me.

mercuryblues

(14,537 posts)
69. So what.
Mon May 7, 2018, 02:03 PM
May 2018

it is a subset of white people.

The kind of person that would walk up to an Asian and ask them where they are from. You know because of the color of their skin, they couldn't possibly have been born in America.

It is the person who laments about black on black crime, but has no idea what the white on white crime rate is.

It is Diamond and Silk doing political ads for white supremacists.

it is the white person who screams go back to Africa.

By saying wypipo is a way to mean NOT ALL white people.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
70. You don't have a problem with a descriptor of an entire race being redefined into a negative?
Mon May 7, 2018, 02:09 PM
May 2018

I don't know what to say about that.

mercuryblues

(14,537 posts)
84. You keep insisting that it is a descriptor of an
Mon May 7, 2018, 02:35 PM
May 2018

entire race. IT IS NOT. The very definition is.... a racist person. When you say it is a descriptor of an entire race, you are saying all whites are racists. You can not redefine a word to suit your perceived slight.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
96. White people is a descriptor of an entire race.
Mon May 7, 2018, 02:43 PM
May 2018

Wypipo is a somewhat phonetic respelling of white people.

You said Wypipo mean racist.

I'm not redefining anything. The author of the article explaining this term and you are redefining things.

mercuryblues

(14,537 posts)
116. The author is very clear
Mon May 7, 2018, 04:01 PM
May 2018

Last edited Mon May 7, 2018, 05:30 PM - Edit history (1)

About the term.

The term is defined as a subset of white (and some blacks) who trade in privilege, hate

fragile white folks who complain constantly about having to endure such things as Black history month, Black Lives Matter and that “the BET Awards, the NAACP Awards and even the Soul Train Awards are inherently racist because they are limited to black people.”

According to theRoot, not everyone is eligible for these honors. Only the small subset of white people called “wypipo”—those who trade in privilege, hate and what our panelists call “white people s–t”—are eligible to receive a nomination.

https://www.eurweb.com/2016/12/2016-annual-wypipo-awards-nominees-winners/#


Winner of the wypipo award:

No one exemplifies white tears more than the woman with mediocre grades and below-average test scores, so blinded by her entitled privilege that she took the University of Texas System all the way to the Supreme Court. When the highest court in the country heard her legal argument that minorities benefiting from affirmative action took her spot, they took one look at her transcripts and suggested that she use them to dry her eyes and enroll in a community college.


You know wypipo will let a dog lick their mouth but won't sit next to a black person on a plane.

IOW it is the exact opposite of all white people.

Tobin S.

(10,418 posts)
67. This is not an issue to me. I really don't care about derogatory slang for white people.
Mon May 7, 2018, 01:56 PM
May 2018

And, from what I can tell, this term doesn't really fit into that category anyway. But that kind of thing has never bothered me. I've never even given it much thought. It doesn't seem like something to use up a lot of energy on.

angrychair

(8,733 posts)
68. My two cents
Mon May 7, 2018, 02:02 PM
May 2018

I’m not exactly sure what the hell “Wypipo” means nor do I care. I’ve seen a couple posts using it but I try to stay out of triggered DU OPs, regardless of the issue, as there is rarely a “winner”.

When we as a group (DU) get on these subjects we tend to abuse each other pretty harshly, some move on and some do not. Some quit and some take a break.

I’m desperately trying to keep my focus on trump and his administration and republicans in Congress.
Getting this bunch out of office will go a long way to helping make our country a better place for everyone.



progressoid

(49,998 posts)
115. "some move on and some do not. Some quit and some take a break."
Mon May 7, 2018, 04:01 PM
May 2018

I think a lot quit and take a break. Permanently.

DU's activity against this shit storm of an administration should be at it's peak. Instead, it's mired in these petty squabbles.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
72. "The term is meant to refer to a group by skin color ..."
Mon May 7, 2018, 02:15 PM
May 2018

Any other posts,
other than the recent 'Wypipo' threads,
pointing out people based on their skin color would immediately be deleted from DU.

"Humorous" name calling against Asians, Native-Americans, African Americans, etc based upon their skin color is racist,
and so is referring to white people as 'Wypipo'.
And attacking or mocking those who find it offensive is also disgusting.

Over recent months we have seen 'progressives' attacked;
we have see men attacked as 'misogynists';
and now we're seeing white people mocked as 'Wypipo'.

It's as if some posters intentionally set out to alienate other DU members.

I thought DU was one place where Democrats could come together to support each other and other Democrats.
But there seems to be a segment of posters who enjoy name calling and attacking other members for sport.

It divides us and separates us. And I don't understand why DU allows it to continue.
And I don't understand why some members think it's OK, and even funny.

Substitute ‘Wypipo’ with any other skin color, and tell me it's OK and funny.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
76. Your logic seems a bit off.
Mon May 7, 2018, 02:21 PM
May 2018
"The term is meant to refer to a group by skin color, and is therefore as offensive as any other term used to refer to any other group."


As offensive as the word "white"?

"Yes, it is. It's certainly not used as an honorific, or as a term of endearment, or in any way meant to confer any sort of dignity. It is therefore offensive, and any effort to separate it from other racial slurs is fatuous."


Does "white" convey honor or endearment or dignity?

Riddle me that.
 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
87. This is one of those things on DU that takes on a life it's own.
Mon May 7, 2018, 02:36 PM
May 2018

I am amazed at the ideas that people I usually agree with have on this subject and that on this I don’t agree.

There needs to be some description other than political correctness to describe their position and all I can come up with is “group think splanin”. It is a form of bullying folks into compliance.

I know they mean well because they are anti racist but in this they are wrong in their actions not in their beliefs.

To them I say, it is ok not to like the slang in question. The OP is not racist so put you weapons down.

SpicyBoi

(162 posts)
111. If you're white and can't handle the phrase wypipo
Mon May 7, 2018, 03:28 PM
May 2018

Just get out. You obviously don't get what we've been fighting for.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
117. I remember when the term was "honky"
Mon May 7, 2018, 04:05 PM
May 2018

back in the 70s. It was used in comedies by black characters. White people have no reason to be afraid or concerned. However, if offended, it seems to me that has to be accepted on the ground that anyone gets to decide what offends them. If dominant groups are excepted, then say so. But that can create an argument over dominant groups and who they are, as it is not always very simple.

We already have a pretty good term - "Deplorables" (Thanks Hillary).

mokawanis

(4,451 posts)
127. It always humors me when DU gets into these battles
Mon May 7, 2018, 04:57 PM
May 2018

thankfully, they do run their course and fade out. At least y'all aren't still fighting about the cover of Sports Illustrated. That one was a doozy.

 

wonkwest

(463 posts)
142. I just play the game of "Who's the real racist here?"
Wed May 9, 2018, 07:33 PM
May 2018

One one side, you have people who believe denigrating someone based on race is wrong.

On the other, you have people who reallllllllllly feel like they need to denigrate others based on race, and if anyone objects, they feel like a binky is being taken away.

So, who's the racist here?

Hint: Not the people who don't think racial slurs are ok.

BlueDog22

(366 posts)
143. My opinion
Wed May 9, 2018, 07:37 PM
May 2018

For what it's worth. I don't really see it as a racial slur, but personally I do think that it seems like an ignorant slang. My parent's taught me how to act, I have a high standard for my own conduct (that I sometimes fall short of), and using that kind of slang would not satisfy the lessons my parents taught me.

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