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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMost likely bottom line scenario on Russia/Trump campaign.
I think we are now getting to the how much there there is from Muellers viewpoint.
I think it ranges from a worst case scenario of this for Trump:
He and the highest levels of his campaign worked in coordination with the Russians.
There was a quid pro quo of Russians helping him get elected in exchange for the change in the Ukraine policy in the RNC platform leading to an easing on sanctions and pro Russian stance.
Or the best case scenario for Trump:
Trump himself knew very little about what was going on.
His campaign staff and son shielded him from anything to do with Russia.
Russias offer to help with Trumps campaign wasnt turned down but wasnt overtly sanctioned.
Now, there are, of course, degrees in between the two above scenarios.
No matter what the answer to this bigly question of Russia collusion is, I think its obvious that Mueller has Trump and others dead to rights on obstruction of justice.
There is also money laundering and influence peddling and who knows what else.
This should be plenty to justify removing Trump from office.
But, would it get 67 votes in the Senate.
Only if the gop powers that be think they would be better off with a Pence.
That, of course, assumes that Pence is not too widely tied to any Trump corruption.
So, if you want to play along, answer the question:
What truly happened with the Russians and how much was Trump personally involved both before and after he was elected?
Zoonart
(11,866 posts)Trueblue Texan
(2,429 posts)I totally agree. They might have kept him at arm's length because of his big, blabbing mouth, but he KNEW. Otherwise why the obsession over "collusion" and why the continuing attack on the investigation. Lock him up!
Comrade Casino, the republican Draft-dodger-in-Chief, has no moral compass. He led the way and modeled the kind of deceit and duplicity that he and his fellow-traveling KGOP republican traitors-liars-grifters have become known for.
Clarity2
(1,009 posts)has a lot more on Trump than we have been clued in on. Particularly since Rosenstein felt emboldened to go on the record that "the Justice Dept would not be extorted". He seemed unusually confident and unguarded. And Mueller threatening to subpoena Trump...you don't do that unless you've got Trump squarely in the middle of conspiracy with proof (or obstruction, but I think it's bigger than that, because obstruction motivation can be argued away by the GOP). That's JMO, but I think of how those two things would trigger Trump, and I think they've got some fail safe process in place.
shockey80
(4,379 posts)The proof is right in front of our faces. Trumps interviews and tweets are like a fucking written confession.
Funtatlaguy
(10,873 posts)Because we are not technically at war with Russia.
Anyone else heard that?
procon
(15,805 posts)businesses and his personal life. He acts like a mafia crime lord, or an oriental potentate (you've seen his gaudy home), and no one would dare step out of line and make a move without his approval. That's why he kept all of his businesses as privately own companies instead on going public, no one tells him what to do, and as a result of his own stupidity he's had several bankruptcies that cost him millions.
He's the spider sitting at the center of the web, sending out his thugs and his sniveling children to do his bidding. He controls everything, of course Trump ordered the contacts with Russia, he was flattered by the attention of the wealthy oligarchs and craved Putin's recognition.
Trump is an immoral and unethical man without any principles, he makes and breaks the rules on a whim to get the best leverage for himself. He doesn't care about the country, all he wants is trivial adulation, good news headlines, flattering photos, and celebratory poll numbers. He's the pig with garish lipstick who thinks he's a Great Man who stands equal to world leaders.