The FBI Took Down Hillary - She Didn't Have A Chance

[PaulX2]

I just heard on CNN the FBI knew the Weiner emails were duplicates, and they still "reopened" the investigation, right before the election, and they then announced it. This after not mentioning the Trump investigation, and of course his obvious crimes.

Treason in my book.

The FBI is now choosing our leaders for us.

This is beyond sick.

Hillary never had a chance, and no one is talking about it.

[exboyfil]

1. I would think the New York Bar

would open an investigation into Rudy G. He has a known conflict in all of this crap, and, him being retained by Trump, is just throwing fuel on the fire. I wonder if attorney misconduct can also be investigated and charged at the state level. We may witness state cops interrogating FBI agents before this is over.

[PaulX2]

2. The First Comey Attack Didn't Do It They Had To Do A 2nd Round To Elect Trump

Where is the story.

The FBI chose Trump for us.

[LisaL]

3. And how is that working out for them?

[forgotmylogin]

27. She actually had a chance...it just took EVERYTHING THEY HAD

to bring her down. Including help from a foreign nation with similar interests.

[LisaL]

4. It was originally reported that they had this laptop for while. They had enough time to

look through all the emails, if they so wanted, without making any announcements. But presumably that wasn't what they wanted. So I agree, I think it was timed to announce just before the election, to diminish Hillary's chances.

[PaulX2]

5. And The Republican FBI Agents Didn't Get Access To The DNC Server

They keep crying about. Gee, I wonder what they would have leaked then.....

FBI Elected Trump.

Arrest them all if they broke election laws.

ALL OF THEM.

Rudy too.

[CousinIT]

8. Comey talked about this in his Maddow interview

I believe. He said some in the FBI who didn't like her held onto Weiner's laptop for a while, so as to time any "new" findings when it would hurt her.

[LisaL]

20. Yes, it was perfectly timed to hurt her the most.

[calimary]

25. I had read that the New York field office was full of Hillary haters.

Many individuals therein were reportedly big fans and avid consumers of the “Clinton Cash” book and all the nonsense it peddled.

[LisaM]

33. Why did they even hate her at all?

She was a popular senator and she did a hell of a lot for 9/11 responders.

[calimary]

57. That I will NEVER understand as long as I live, LisaM.

I know of an actor who spent quite a bit of time in the celebrity autograph convention circuit. He went all over the country. He once said that there's an ungodly amount of Hillary hatred out there in the so-called "heartland." He described it as virulent.

I do NOT get it. I do NOT understand it. I never will. What on earth has anybody found, in her or about her or by her, that's so damned objectionable? WHAT is it that's such a turn-off? Are they just that threatened by a woman of the kind of accomplishments she has? That's the only reason why I can guess would be the issue for many of the women voters who voted for trump when they could have (and, IMO, SHOULD have) supported her? I know that kind of mentality exists because I've found myself on the receiving end of it in much lesser way, too.

And/or if they hated her because she stood by her husband and for keeping her family/her marriage together during the whole Monica mess, what would they have done in her place? I bet every one of 'em woulda gone all Tammy Wynette even more than she did, proudly congratulating themselves throughout for doing so.

I don't get it, LisaM. It makes NO sense whatsoever. What the heck is she supposed to have done that earned her such utter ick?

[Tumbulu]

67. 30 years of Rush Limbaugh

spewing hateful propaganda did it. "Feminazi" , "Liptards" , on and on day after day. With Hilary being their main target ALL THIS TIME!!!!

Those of us living and working in rural areas and red states tried to tell people, nobody would listen. We should have used our might to destroy the hate media. But nobody seemed to care.

Then Faux news ....amped it all up.

Friends of mine working in Ag all knew, we knew T would win. Nobody listened. The day I went to vote the place was packed with all the hate filled monsters all pumped up with power glaring at the few liberal females around. The republican women had that smug look of victory all over hem, as though they had just washed our mouths out with soap for dreaming that we could ever be equals.

Until the Democratic Party and liberals take the reality of the 30 years of hate speech that has devastated our society seriously, we have no chance.

[progressoid]

68. THIS

[JHB]

72. Practice, practice, practice...

By the time 1991 rolled around and Hillary's name became known nationally, conservatives had long been in the habit of demonizing individual and collective "liberals" (or to use the English word instead of wingnut-ese, non-conservatives). Liberal press, liberal judges, FDR, Eleanor Roosevelt, Earl Warren, etc. They thumped the drum against these people in conservative publications and radio.

They broadened the base of people engaging in this during and after the Vietnam war: dirty hippies, long haired freaks spitting on servicemen, and intensified the focus on individuals: Jane Fonda, Dan Rather, John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Jimmy Carter, etc.

Carefully nurtured bile posing as righteous outrage had become old hat by the time the Clintons came on the national scene. And by that time conservatives wanted to guard against a Democratic administration undoing the "Reagan revolution", so they went full bore to defeat Bill. However, as the "pro-business" governor of a southern right-to-work state, Bill Clinton didn't fall neatly into Republican tropes about "tax and spend liberals", so they ditched the playbook they used against Dukakis and just started into reverse-fan fiction. This was born draft-dodging, dope-smoking, citizenship-renouncing, America-hating Hippy Bill and his wife, radical feminist Harpy Hillary.

Since Bill won anyway, Republicans (led by Rush Limbaugh and Newt Gingrich) sought to hobble him by scandal-a-day, hours-long Two Minute Hates. Conservative media like the Washington Times and the newborn FOX News echoed and reinforced it.

Why do they hate Hillary so much? Because they enjoy depising what they like to despise, and be damned if it has much to do with reality.

[nolabels]

71. Probably because most of them are republicans in a sea of democrats

Law enforcement types are trained to see the world in black and white when mostly it's just a reality of many different hues. Of course, they would gravitate to a party that preaches authoritarianism. What other reason could they have for getting up and going to work each morning?

People tend to go to the easiest way possible to get things done, they are no different than the rest of us

[CousinIT]

64. Probably some of the Ghouliani contingent. n/t

[elias7]

41. How about enough time to plant the emails?

Huma Abedin never commented on how the emails got there, to the best of my knowledge.

[LiberalFighter]

6. The media was complicit too back then.

If they had done their job right they would had made it clear how copies of emails are duplicated once they are sent.

[mr_lebowski]

7. Which is why the entire notion of Clinton 'hiding emails' via deletion was ridiculous concept to

... begin with.

EVERY EMAIL has a sender and a recipient (except emails sent to one's self or to people in one's own office ... and that only works if nobody has their email client setup to make local copies and instead all comps act as pure 'clients' thus all emails exist only on the 'office' email server), right?

No IT person worth their salt would ever recommend to their boss/manager or whatnot (and it WAS her IT people that deleted the personal ones that the Right is all up in arms about) that there is ANY practicality to 'hiding' emails by deleting them from your firms email server.

Because except in the aforementioned unique cases, there's ALWAYS a risk of a copy existing somewhere else ... the email server of the person who you sent your email to, or the email server of someone who sent an email to you. That's at minimum, it's possible they got copied on more servers than that, in fact it's likely if senders/recips were on government networks which I'm sure do a LOT of tracking and making copies w/o the ave. users even knowing about it.

[FreepFryer]

9. I love how you turn this into an attack against the whole FBI. A bit much, no?

Beyond sick, indeed.

[PaulX2]

12. Really? The Head Of The FBI Announcing Investigations Is The Head Of The Whole FBI Represents ALL

I really don't know what can be done to make sure they don't take down the next DEMOCRAT and install another scumbag.

They are the law, and are above the law.]

I haven't seen the names of the agents who leaked to Rudy who have been arrested yet.

You don't understand how bad this really is......

[FreepFryer]

16. LOL. You have no idea what others understand or dont understand.

Who benefits most from your expansive attack on the entire Federal Bureau of Investigation?

Your argument is thoroughly invalid, take it back wherever you got it

[BannonsLiver]

22. While absolving Putin and Russia as well.

Interesting indeed.

[FreepFryer]

56. Spasibo, tovarich! (n/t)

[babylonsister]

10. And I'm sure Russia had nothing to do with it.

I hardly think the fbi is 'choosing our leaders for us'.

[PaulX2]

11. That's What It Looks Like To Me With Their Announcing Investigations Into A Candidate

And not mentioning they are investigating the other candidate.

FBI was playing politics. Ratfuck*ng MY CANDIDATE.

Obvious to anyone.

[FreepFryer]

17. LOL. Obvious (n/t)

[lancelyons]

13. If there was any evidence the FBI knew the emails where duplicates before Comey announced

If there was any evidence the FBI knew the emails where duplicates before Comey announced then I would agree there are some criminal things going on in the FBI.

I dont hear the DOJ IG mentioning any of that or any of the details about the FBI leaking to media, Rudy Guilliani.

People keep calling them independent and non partisan but the fact that they quickly moved on McCabe and nothing on the 2016 election, nothing on duplicates, nothing on leaks to Guilliani, tells me they are partisan.

When the DEMs get back in office, the number 1 thing on my list is to get a firm grasp on this and other corrupt situations going on related to the GOP. I dont care about anything else but cleansing the country of this filthy partisan ship at the highest levels.

[PaulX2]

14. I Just Saw A Guest On CNN Claim They Knew They Were Duplicates And Restarted Investigation Anyway

Rot in our government.

Banana Republic territory. And this was before Trump.....

[Me.]

15. Aaah, What Are You Talking About

Didn't you know Hillary was a terrible/worst ever/ really bad/untrustworthy/non-charismatic candidate and her loss is down to no one else but her?

[FreepFryer]

58. Didnt u get the encrypted email? Thats SO last cycle. Keep up or u will lose your 100 ruble bonus

[Me.]

63. Da Comrade

[lunamagica]

18. I agree. It is treason

[TalenaGor]

19. I sometimes wonder if they had to based on something we don't know yet

[marieo1]

21. minngal

It is the males and especially the 'older' white males. God forbid a woman get in such a powerful position. They want to hog it all for themselves.

[BobTheSubgenius]

23. And now look.

The FBI is being excoriated on an almost daily basis, and, completely separately but, related, everyone needs the FBI to help wade through this mess. A mess that is at least partly of their own creation.

I wonder if they are agile and flexible enough in their thinking to see the irony. There are layers of it.

[Pluvious]

24. Was it announced by FBI, or leaked by Chaffetze ?

The sub-thread below describes a different narrative, I'm a bit confused tbh.

(Read the four comments responding to this question - re Comey was compelled to notify Congress, which he did in a top secret letter, it was Chaffetze that leaked it, and affected the election, why the hell wasn't he prosecuted then ?!!)
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https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10518240

[Mr. Sparkle]

26. The question is when did they know they were duplicates.

and imho, they should have only announced they were reopening the investigation if something new and relevant were found in the emails.

[sandensea]

28. Mary Hoover's legacy

[Civic Justice]

29. Republican set up the Hillary Smear Game 2 yrs before the Election, with the Behghazi antics

... people should have been aware enough to see it... long before the campaigning started, then they would not have been susceptible to "Trump's Game of Name Calling".... and they could have seen through the 'email silliness'. But people did not pay attention.

The fact is the Benghazi game was nothing but pre-staging smear gaming, because when the truth came out, it was Republican who were responsible to fund and make provisions for better security.

Equally so, Steven's went there under illusions he had power that he did not have, and thinking people liked him who were in no position to do anything considering the civil unrest that was in existence. He went there without paying attention to details, and had no provision for security himself except a couples of guys with hand guns, and staying in a compound, that the only concern for security was the illusion that the Libyan people would not know where he was staying.


...

the America people allowed the Republican Smear tarnish their thoughts of the long history of Hillary's political works. They forgot that this woman was a champion for Health Care in the 1990's and the only reason she did not get it, was because Right Wingers had never seen a First Lady push a program with such vigor, and they were not going to respect a woman doing so, and they were not going to accept a First Lady as being such a vocal person who had a program that would help people, that Republican did not want to help......

[RandySF]

30. K&R

[oasis]

31. I am aware of an ongoing right wing campaign against our FBI.

Trump's being cornered by the FBI. They have him dead to rights on his longtime Putin/Russia connections. He's the goddam traitor.

TRUMP IS THE TRAITOR.

[BannonsLiver]

39. +1

Amazing 28 people rec’d this OP. PT Barnum had it right.

[oasis]

42. Like there's an immediate need for Dems to go after the FBI.

[Stryst]

32. This all started with the CIA and Kennedy

Our intelligence agencies have an unreasonably low level of oversight for the power and money they can casually wield. My opinion would also extend to the idea that maybe if you run an intelligence agency, and have access to secret information, you shouldn't be allowed to run for office. If we don't like insider trading in money, why should we tolerate it in politics?

[Pobeka]

34. Comey says there were NEW emails on Weiner's laptop

Emails that came from Hillary's blackberry acct, never before seen, and that was the reason they felt that it had to be investigated.

For the first time I heard that in the interview with Colbert.

That at least is a credible reason to look at the Weiner emails. I think publicly announcing the reopening of the investigation was a huge error in judgment of the political situation, and the threat to our democracy posed by the russian hacking that the FBI et. al. was aware of at the time.

[LisaL]

36. They had time to look into emails without making announcements.

[Pobeka]

40. yep n/t

[ProudProgressiveNow]

35. KR NT

[PaulX2]

37. Wow Long Does It Take For Tens Of Thousands

Of FBI to read and database a few emails? They didn't need to do 2nd attack except to bring her down.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

48. You show great absence of understanding with your "Tens of Thousands of FBI".

It doesn't work like that. Not even close.

Please do not misdirect attention away from Ghouliani and Trump-Russia.

[BannonsLiver]

52. Please do not misdirect attention away from Ghouliani and Trump-Russia.

That was the entire point of the OP. Now the question becomes who and why.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

59. OP is opposite. It tars the whole FBI indiscriminately with one brush and pretends

... pretends Trump-Russia was not a factor even while mentioning it to dismiss it. Says the FBI did it all: "choosing our leader".

The FBI was NOT using micro-targetted ads based on data mining enabled by Facebook and run by web brigades in Russia coordinated with Assange and Manafort-Bannon; especially concentrated on states key to stealing the Electoral College.

[BannonsLiver]

60. Were in agreement

My point was specifically about why the blame the FBI narrative is being pushed here, on DU.

[BadGimp]

38. That's how I see it... word for word.

[GoCubsGo]

43. This isn't the FBI "choosing our leaders."

This dirty tricks by republican operatives, aided by rogue individuals within the FBI. It's not the entire FBI. Just the New York Bureau. They are corrupt, and shouldn't be lumped with the rest of the FBI. This has Guiliani's fingerprints all over it. He has been chummy with the NYC Bureau for a long time, as has Trump. A nice primer here: http://www.newsweek.com/comey-trump-hillary-fbi-giuliani-889922

Randi Rhodes provides even more information here, as well as in some of her other "homework" sections: https://randirhodes.com/blog/homework-4-20-18-rudy/

[Bernardo de La Paz]

45. You have it correct. +1. . . . nt

[Bernardo de La Paz]

44. You over-reach. It was Giuliani's rogue NYPD & FBI NYC cabal, not "the FBI"

The group threatened to leak the stuff if the FBI NYC didn't pressure Comey. So it came down to the least bad way.

Giuliani knew it was coming a couple of days before it came out.

[lindalou65]

46. A deep state?

As the Repubs call it. I don't think so IMHO. Just more conspiracy theory to take the focus off of where it should be.

[aikoaiko]

47. I still think Comey thought HRC was going to win and was trying to protect the FBI

from an irate RWer Congress who would have used his silence as evidence of a conspiracy if he didn't inform them of FBI activities concerning HRC.

It was a calculated risk and one that didn't work out well.

Polling was very close in the rust belt before the Comey announcement.

[Merlot]

54. After listening to comey in interviews, I think that is what he likes to tell himself.

My take away on comey is that is he likes to think of himself as a non-partisan but in his heart he's a repub, and a sexist as well. He's in denial about his own motivations for his actions. I don't think he's being dishonest or disingenuious, but he doesn't have a clear take on how his actions are percieved.

For instance, the scolding of Hillary was unprecedented - can you imagine him saying those things to a male candidate, any male candidate? I can't.

He also said that trumpft should not be impeached, that is was up to the people to vote hime out, totally overlooking the fact that trumpft could be guilty of actions that do require impeachement proceedings.

comey precieves himself as an honest guy, and he probably is. But in his heart, he a repub and his worldview is pretty narrow.

[Merlot]

49. I knew the emails were duplicates the minute I heard the story.

I have 3 laptops and all have email access, so I get all emails on all laptops.

I also knew we were screwed.

[trueblue2007]

50. COMEY HAS SAID THEY DIDNT KNOW THEY WERE DUPLICATES. Where is the link to your story ??

I HAVE watched over 5 Comey interviews. Each time HE SAID they didnt know the emails were dups.

Where and what is the truth?

Comey's book .... says they didnt know they were dupes also.

[Dream Girl]

51. Nice anti-FBI post...youve gotten some good responses.

Good job Paul! BTW your English is very good!

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

61. Uh-oh, you've forgotten an apostrophe ...

[Demovictory9]

53. yep. and now we have this tweeting clown fool of a president

[elias7]

55. This has not been reported by any news source

Perhaps the guest who said it knows more than us, perhaps they were mistaken. If true, this is truly scandalous.

[trueblue2007]

62. LIKE I SAID. Why doesnt the original post contain Facts???

[Gothmog]

65. Who is surprised by this?

[tirebiter]

66. Of course they were duplicates

The messages were archived from 'BBB Backup' and 'LoaderBackup' from a BlackBerry Bold 9700 by Huma Abaden.

[ucrdem]

69. I think that's a fair assessment. They saw a chance to pin the weiner on Hillary

and they took it. There was never anything to the email bullshit anyway and Comey knew that all the years he kept it going with his silly "I don't know what I know" pirouette which got old long ago. And this is far from the first time that agency has openly interfered in an election with sting operations and the like.

[JCanete]

70. The media did it, but yeah, Comey certainly had no business doing what he did, and it

doesn't seem to have come from a place of sincerity. Story sounded like bullshit from day one, but the media didn't really give a rats ass about that...so fucking happily wagged this close to an election that was starting to look like a landslide. Where's the fun in that. They wanted a horserace...or at least that's the ratings argument, as if that's all that is ever going on when corporate institutions with vast financial interests in our policies decide to fixate on a narrative.

I'm not sure about treason, but Comey's own explanation for one and not the other is all over the map. it was political. It was unethical. And it didn't at all jive with his own purported principles.

[PDittie]

73. So if it is true that she never had a chance ...

... why did she run?



She not only had plenty of "chances", she was the favorite right up to Election Day. Despite Comey re-opening the e-mail investigation, despite whatever the Russians did or did not do, despite Bernie Sanders and Jill Stein and their supporters.

This "never had a chance" excuse is delusional. She should have won the 2016 election. She got three million more votes, after all.