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Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)PatSeg
(47,678 posts)Until the Monsanto apologists show up!
First Amendment "right not to speak"??? What the hell!
KT2000
(20,597 posts)Their sales people spread the nonsense that Roundup is the safest product and anyone who says otherwise is crazy. Corporate brainwashing has turned this product into a must use for everyone with a yard. Strange that Monsanto is never held accountable for spreading false information about their products.
PatSeg
(47,678 posts)on the Internet defending Monsanto and making fun of people they consider to be science deniers. I'm surprised they haven't hijacked this thread yet.
KT2000
(20,597 posts)but must be asleep today.
PatSeg
(47,678 posts)This is unusual. Nice to not have to listen to all the condescending ridicule and corporate propaganda.
pnwmom
(109,020 posts)They insist all GMO's are equally safe, even the ones that allow farmers to dump more poison on our crops.
KT2000
(20,597 posts)on anyone who disagrees with them. It is easy to spot them.
womanofthehills
(8,795 posts)NickB79
(19,277 posts)Because if you do, you should probably know the IARC lists alcohol as a 'known carcinogen'. It lists coffee as a 'possible carcinogen', in the same class as Roundup!
Basically, the IARC's default mode appears to be 'possible carcinogen' to most of the things it evaluates: http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2015/10/coffee_does_not_cause_cancer_the_who_is_wrong.html
pnwmom
(109,020 posts)The problem isn't with how they are listed -- it is that Round-up isn't listed as PROBABLE.
Coffee contains an ingredient called acrylamide that is a known carcinogen, and whose levels could be reduced in the manufacturing process.
Alcohol has been shown to be linked to an increase in several types of cancer.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/31/health/cancer-coffee-warning/index.html
In addition to paying fines, the lawsuit wants companies to post warnings about acrylamide with an explanation about the potential risks of drinking coffee. If the suit is successful, the signs would need to be clearly posted at store counters or on walls where someone could easily see them when making a purchase.
Raphael Metzger, the attorney representing the nonprofit, said it really wants the coffee companies to reduce the amount of the chemical to the point where there would be no significant cancer risk.
"I'm addicted to coffee, I confess, and I would like to be able to have mine without acrylamide," Metzger said.
At a bench trial last fall, the coffee companies argued that the level of acrylamide in coffee should be considered safe under the law and that the health benefits of coffee essentially outweigh the risk.
https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/alcohol/alcohol-fact-sheet
Based on extensive reviews of research studies, there is a strong scientific consensus of an association between alcohol drinking and several types of cancer (1, 2). In its Report on Carcinogens, the National Toxicology Program of the US Department of Health and Human Services lists consumption of alcoholic beverages as a known human carcinogen. The research evidence indicates that the more alcohol a person drinksparticularly the more alcohol a person drinks regularly over timethe higher his or her risk of developing an alcohol-associated cancer. Based on data from 2009, an estimated 3.5 percent of all cancer deaths in the United States (about 19,500 deaths) were alcohol related (3).
Clear patterns have emerged between alcohol consumption and the development of the following types of cancer:
Head and neck cancer: Alcohol consumption is a major risk factor for certain head and neck cancers, particularly cancers of the oral cavity (excluding the lips), pharynx (throat), and larynx (voice box) (4). People who consume 50 or more grams of alcohol per day (approximately 3.5 or more drinks per day) have at least a two to three times greater risk of developing these cancers than nondrinkers (4). Moreover, the risks of these cancers are substantially higher among persons who consume this amount of alcohol and also use tobacco (5).
Esophageal cancer: Alcohol consumption is a major risk factor for a particular type of esophageal cancer called esophageal squamous cell carcinoma (2). In addition, people who inherit a deficiency in an enzyme that metabolizes alcohol have been found to have substantially increased risks of alcohol-related esophageal squamous cell carcinoma.
Liver cancer: Alcohol consumption is an independent risk factor for, and a primary cause of, liver cancer (hepatocellular carcinoma) (6). (Chronic infection with hepatitis B virus and hepatitis C virus are the other major causes of liver cancer.)
Breast cancer: More than 100 epidemiologic studies have looked at the association between alcohol consumption and the risk of breast cancer in women. These studies have consistently found an increased risk of breast cancer associated with increasing alcohol intake. A meta-analysis of 53 of these studies (which included a total of 58,000 women with breast cancer) showed that women who drank more than 45 grams of alcohol per day (approximately three drinks) had 1.5 times the risk of developing breast cancer as nondrinkers (a modestly increased risk) (7). The risk of breast cancer was higher across all levels of alcohol intake: for every 10 grams of alcohol consumed per day (slightly less than one drink), researchers observed a small (7 percent) increase in the risk of breast cancer.
The Million Women Study in the United Kingdom (which included more than 28,000 women with breast cancer) provided a more recent, and slightly higher, estimate of breast cancer risk at low to moderate levels of alcohol consumption: every 10 grams of alcohol consumed per day was associated with a 12 percent increase in the risk of breast cancer (8).
Colorectal cancer: Alcohol consumption is associated with a modestly increased risk of cancers of the colon and rectum. A meta-analysis of 57 cohort and case-control studies that examined the association between alcohol consumption and colorectal cancer risk showed that people who regularly drank 50 or more grams of alcohol per day (approximately 3.5 drinks) had 1.5 times the risk of developing colorectal cancer as nondrinkers or occasional drinkers (9). For every 10 grams of alcohol consumed per day, there was a small (7 percent) increase in the risk of colorectal cancer.
NickB79
(19,277 posts)Like I said, their default seems to be 'probable' to virtually everything they review. They appear to err on the side of caution so much that, by lumping things like the incredibly small amounts of acrylamide in coffee with other, clearly more dangerous chemicals, that it dilutes their work's utility. Virtually every study that's looked at coffee consumption has found numerous health benefits to it, including an increased lifespan and even reduce cancer risk PER YOUR OWN LINK.
Yet, the IARC's listing has California requiring coffee shops to post warning signs.
I stand by my assessment that there are serious flaws with the IARC itself.
pnwmom
(109,020 posts)as possible carcinogens.
Their results are research based, and allow people to make their own decisions. For many people, coffee might have overall benefits. But some people might prefer a coffee processed so it has lower levels of acrylamide.
And that has NOTHING to do with the toxicity of Round-up, which was DESIGNED to kill living things.
FairDemocrat
(82 posts)He did it for several years
pnwmom
(109,020 posts)I'm sorry to hear about your father.
FairDemocrat
(82 posts)womanofthehills
(8,795 posts)She has a book out:
Whitewash: The Story of a Weed Killer, Cancer and the Corruption of Science, by Carey Gillam (Island Press) has been named an Outstanding Book of the Year by the Independent Book Publisher Awards.
https://usrtk.org/pesticides/whitewash-the-story-of-a-weed-killer-cancer-and-the-corruption-of-science