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H2O Man

(74,300 posts)
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 11:00 AM Apr 2018

Going Mobile

“For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.”
Newton's Third Law

I'm not a scientist, by any means. So, instead of a discussion with either atoms or solar systems as a model, I shall instead use a mobile hanging over an infant's crib. This is easier for me, a simple person of limited insight and understanding on a good day …..much less so in recent days.

With such a mobile, as we know, if one piece moves, all others must shift their position, in order to maintain balance. In “mobiles” composed of human beings – be they families, communities, schools, government agencies, or the Trump administration – there is another dynamic that can take place: if one piece attempts to move, some or all of the other pieces may attempt to remain entrenched. And, if that entrenched piece (or pieces) enjoy powerful positions, they may even “cut” right off the mobile.

We've witnessed an example of this very thing when Nikki Haley, the UN ambassador, announced that there would be more sanctions against Russia. Although meetings among high level administration officials had agreed to this, one piece on the mobile became entrenched in opposition to this shift after Haley spoke publicly. That piece, of course, was Donald Trump.

On the surface, it might appear that Trump's lone reason for doing so is his relationship with Putin. And that should always be considered, in the context of every move Trump makes. Indeed, Putin provides the context for the entirety of Trump's presidency. But there is another factor that lies just beneath the surface, one that the media has not fully taken into account, simply because of the rapid pace of “breaking news.”

It has to do with the dynamics within the mobile. Let's consider this in terms of individual pieces, before looking at the entire mobile. If one piece explodes – say, “attorney” Cohen – another pieces will implode – say, Sean Hannity. It is never a coincidence that the exploding and imploding pieces are closely related to one another.

Now, briefly, let us examine a “quiet” news story:


VP Pence had decided to hire Jon Lerner – top assistant to Haley – as his new national security advisor. Now, Lerner has no background and zero qualifications to serve either in the United Nations position, or as a national security adviser. His experience is in being a republican pollster who led the “Never Trump” movement of the republican primary season of 2016. On the surface, he is a strange choice. Under the surface, it was even stranger: Lerner, we learned, would continue with Haley, as well as with Pence. Only in this administration could an unqualified person be assigned two full-time positions.

When Trump learned of this, he asked, “Why would Mike do this to me?” Surely, Trump remembered that Lerner strongly opposed him during the primaries. And just as surely, he remembers that during the general election campaign, the infamous “Access Hollywood” tape surfaced, Pence had quietly told republican leaders he was prepared to become their presidential candidate.

Now, let's focus on the entire Trump mobile. As the pressures on the entrenched central piece become greater, we have seen his “trusted circle” become smaller. He communicates less and less with individuals such as John Kelly, or the other semi-establishment people in his administration. Thus, those people communicate more and more with one another – for example, Kelly, Haley, Sessions, and Pence.

It has dawned upon Trump that these people are preparing for other forces to clip Trump, remove him from the mobile, and have Pence assume his position. Hence, his attempt to humiliate Haley in a very public manner, that all of the others can see.

In time, Trump will indeed be removed from office. In a very real sense, that is a good thing. However, it is a bad thing that shit-stains such as Kelly, Haley, Sessions, and Pence would assume more power, thus allowing for them to become entrenched for the 2020 elections.

And that is why – exactly why – we need to harness all of our potential strength to re-institute constitutional democracy in 2018, 2020, and beyond. There is no time to waste.

H2O Man

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Going Mobile (Original Post) H2O Man Apr 2018 OP
Peace and Good Health, Brother! Achilleaze Apr 2018 #1
That is beautiful!! ailsagirl Apr 2018 #9
Magnificent malaise Apr 2018 #15
Beautiful! H2O Man Apr 2018 #18
Did you do this? lunatica Apr 2018 #48
No way Achilleaze Apr 2018 #50
Hope you're feeling better, H2O Man! shanti Apr 2018 #2
Thanks! H2O Man Apr 2018 #19
Good to see you posting! Egnever Apr 2018 #3
Thanks, Egnever! H2O Man Apr 2018 #21
Nothing wrong with your brain, my dear H20 Man! CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2018 #4
What CaliforniaPeggy said irisblue Apr 2018 #5
Thanks, Buddy! H2O Man Apr 2018 #22
Welcome back, H2O Man! kentuck Apr 2018 #6
Thanks, Buddy! H2O Man Apr 2018 #26
Your last sentence is something about which I posted an OP a couple of days ago lunatica Apr 2018 #7
Thanks! H2O Man Apr 2018 #27
Welcome back, H2O Man!! ailsagirl Apr 2018 #8
Thanks, ailsagirl! H2O Man Apr 2018 #28
You bet it is, H2O Man!! ailsagirl Apr 2018 #32
Good to hear from you! bluestarone Apr 2018 #10
Thanks! H2O Man Apr 2018 #29
But Mr Trump seems to always contradict his spokescreatures... malthaussen Apr 2018 #11
Thanks! H2O Man Apr 2018 #30
Good thoughtful insight. Hope you are feeling better H2O Man! joanbarnes Apr 2018 #12
Thanks, joanbarnes! H2O Man Apr 2018 #31
Rec for a great post, but Ukrainian Yankee Apr 2018 #13
Right! H2O Man Apr 2018 #33
Very thoughtful post malaise Apr 2018 #14
Thank you! H2O Man Apr 2018 #39
You'd better not be sparring malaise Apr 2018 #41
I'd have had H2O Man Apr 2018 #43
Your statement about removal from office MagickMuffin Apr 2018 #16
Right. H2O Man Apr 2018 #40
I love how you scratch at the surface to dig out the real story lurking beneath. suffragette Apr 2018 #17
Well, thank you! H2O Man Apr 2018 #42
A terrific post and a wish for your health to be as great raven mad Apr 2018 #20
Thank you! H2O Man Apr 2018 #44
K&R... spanone Apr 2018 #23
I agree with your theory. Tatiana Apr 2018 #24
One possibility would be lunatica Apr 2018 #36
Well thats five minutes of my life Ill never get back blake2012 Apr 2018 #25
You must be very new to DU lunatica Apr 2018 #35
thanks. I tend to speak my mind. which is what I find message boards to be good for blake2012 Apr 2018 #37
Did someone coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #46
Like I said, smart people lunatica Apr 2018 #47
I judged the post in its merits blake2012 Apr 2018 #49
Man you keep missing the point coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #51
Haha. Thanks. Im 49. Been around the block blake2012 Apr 2018 #52
Crikey coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #53
Well keep this thread kicked blake2012 Apr 2018 #54
You got it! coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #55
Legalize Lonnie Anderson's hair. H2O Man Apr 2018 #38
great post Exotica Apr 2018 #34
I like to think coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #45


(21,506 posts)
3. Good to see you posting!
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 11:05 AM
Apr 2018

hope you are feeling much better.

I think you might be right that they are prepping for a future without trump.

H2O Man

(74,300 posts)
21. Thanks, Egnever!
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 10:48 PM
Apr 2018

Can't blame them. But I give them no credit whatsoever. They were willing to submit to him, to humiliate themselves, for potential personal gain. And now, they want to benefit from his inevitable humiliating removal from office.


(150,656 posts)
4. Nothing wrong with your brain, my dear H20 Man!
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 11:30 AM
Apr 2018

This post is a prime example of your first-class thinking.

And I agree with every word.

H2O Man

(74,300 posts)
22. Thanks, Buddy!
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 10:52 PM
Apr 2018

I'll be seeing the neurologist again in a couple of days. I think that I feel a little better every day. But watching the news, I couldn't help but conclude there is more going on than people imagine.


(111,532 posts)
6. Welcome back, H2O Man!
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 12:50 PM
Apr 2018

For me, your most inspiring sentence:

"In time, Trump will indeed be removed from office."

H2O Man

(74,300 posts)
26. Thanks, Buddy!
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 10:07 AM
Apr 2018

It's almost entertaining to watch the president decompose. If it were not so serious......


(53,410 posts)
7. Your last sentence is something about which I posted an OP a couple of days ago
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 01:00 PM
Apr 2018

Rather than rewrite it again here’s the link. We need to restore our Constitutional Democracy. There is no way we can reverse what’s happened since the Supreme Court selected Bush. But we can begin to restore it in November.


H2O Man

(74,300 posts)
27. Thanks!
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 10:11 AM
Apr 2018

We need to be building the foundation today, for our much-needed victories in November. Even while I'm on this brief "vacation," I've been communicating with a number of student activists on college campuses. They give me hope for the future.

H2O Man

(74,300 posts)
28. Thanks, ailsagirl!
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 10:14 AM
Apr 2018

With patience, even the smallest creature can climb the highest mountain. And patience is one thing that I have plenty of. So I can climb out of bed, and journey over to my computer. It's a start!

H2O Man

(74,300 posts)
29. Thanks!
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 10:15 AM
Apr 2018

It's good to be able to participate in discussions here .....even though I have to check my spelling on even the simplest of words!


(17,398 posts)
11. But Mr Trump seems to always contradict his spokescreatures...
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 01:22 PM
Apr 2018

... I have the totally unsubstantiated feeling that he just pouts whenever anyone gets media time instead of him.

Hope your shoulder is feeling better.

-- Mal

H2O Man

(74,300 posts)
30. Thanks!
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 10:27 AM
Apr 2018

My shoulder feels fine. It's that huge lump on top of it that sustained the injury. Huge swelling on the outside, blood pool on the inside. And what a doctor referred to as "dead brain matter."

The current reports on the coordinated missile "attack" upon Syria suggests that Trump isn't serious about confronting Russia. I say this, recognizing that there remain questions about the incident that caused that reaction.

Also, this article is interesting:


H2O Man

(74,300 posts)
39. Thank you!
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 02:43 PM
Apr 2018

Much appreciated.

I'm planning to go watch the boys train this evening. They may have bouts on the 28th. But I won't be sparring! (grin)


(16,288 posts)
16. Your statement about removal from office
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 01:54 PM
Apr 2018

This is one of my main concerns about impeachment. Pence would have a better chance of winning in 2020 than trump.

The GOP knows this, especially with the Blue Tsunami coming in November.

H2O Man

(74,300 posts)
40. Right.
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 02:46 PM
Apr 2018

I provided a link, somewhere above, of one of the news stories that came out about 5 hours after the OP. These report that people in the administration are aware that Pence-Haley is being prepared for 2020.


(12,232 posts)
17. I love how you scratch at the surface to dig out the real story lurking beneath.
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 03:45 PM
Apr 2018

You are the best of DU.

Hugs for a speedy and thorough recovery.

H2O Man

(74,300 posts)
42. Well, thank you!
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 02:50 PM
Apr 2018

The news is reporting on so many things these days, that some important stories can easily be overlooked. Luckily, my mind is working slowly enough that I can focus on them! (I'm feeling a bit better every day.)


(14,167 posts)
24. I agree with your theory.
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 12:11 AM
Apr 2018

I think Trump is making a counterplay. And, I think Comey is right -- Trump is not stupid or senile. All of his actions are taken with a specific intent.

If impeachment is attempted, it should be against Pence. Remove the biggest threat. If we recapture the House, we would be looking at a Democratic speaker. Any VP Trump would attempt to nominate would have to be approved. I'd rather have a lame duck Trump than a President Pence who actually knows how government works and how to wield power.


(53,410 posts)
36. One possibility would be
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 01:22 PM
Apr 2018

That a newly elected Congress would have a Democratic majority which would effectively stop Pence’s radical agenda.

If the Republicans can do it then we can do it too.



(1,294 posts)
25. Well thats five minutes of my life Ill never get back
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 12:22 AM
Apr 2018

Occam’s Razor, dude. Your story needs a shave.


(53,410 posts)
35. You must be very new to DU
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 01:18 PM
Apr 2018

And you obviously have very bad manners for a newcomer. Smart people keep quiet when they’re new.


(3,737 posts)
51. Man you keep missing the point
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 10:29 PM
Apr 2018

No surprise there.

Smart people keep it shut until they are sure they know what they are talking about.

Be like the smart people.


(3,737 posts)
45. I like to think
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 04:18 PM
Apr 2018

that due to his professional ass kissing job on Fredo/Trump, Pence has zero chance of being elected in 2020. I just can't see how association with Fredo can be good for anyone's career. But I said the same about Trump -- that he could never be elected. So I don't want to jinx this either!

The stinker repubs used Fredo to advance their agenda, knowing that with all his twitter rages, behind it all he is very impressionable and easily manipulated. They played up to his insecurities and got some stuff passed.

Now IMHO he has outlived his usefulness and even the worst of the repubs are sick of the constant headline grabbing twitter rages.

No one will stick by him and he's starting to figure it out.

I want to enjoy watching Fredo lose everything but like you said, this is a dangerous time.

Thanks for the insightful post H, glad you're feeling well enough to write. Back to bed! Once you've watched the boys train that is. And take it easy for a few days you hear?

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