Had a sad realization yesterday

[question everything]

Someone - Clinton's lawyer Bennet? - said that even if we take the House and pass the article of impeachment, the Senate will still be controlled by Republicans - will it? and thus will not remove him from office.

[Eliot Rosewater]

1. Maybe, at which point every Democrat runs on one issue

if you vote for someone who did not support impeachment, you are voting for a traitor

He is BETRAYING our country as we speak, if you dont do something about it you are ALSO a traitor, which is the message that must be sent.

[Angry Dragon]

11. +15,000

[Eliot Rosewater]

13. Think about it, if our country elects people who knowingly voted to assist traitors

then the country is done, gone, out of here.

THAT is the end of the country.

[FSogol]

2. Not necessarily. Look what is happening in VA.

Republicans are crossing over and voting for Gov Northam's medicare expansion bill out of self-preservation. It is the only way for them to survive the blue wave and keep their seats. The same will happen when impeachment comes up. Repubs will cross over.

[question everything]

3. I hope for some decent Republicans in the senate

that will cross over. They will realize that this is not about denying a blow job, but about persistence destruction of our country.

[Aristus]

7. There is a word for decent Republicans.

It's 'Democrats'.

[Exotica]

4. 67 votes needed. , the absolute max Dems we will have is 53 (if TX goes Beto)

In the caucus, so will need 14 or 15 (probably more like 16 or 17) Rethugs to vote to convict.

If Mueller brings the hard goods, there is a shot. Think positive!

[rsdsharp]

5. The Democrats may take the Senate back this year, but it will be by a small margin.

If Trump is impeached by the House, 67 votes are needed to convict in the Senate. Absent Trump giving Alaska back to Russia, that's not going to happen.

We will only get one bite of that apple. If impeached and not convicted, Trump will consider himself absolutely bullet proof.

[bearsfootball516]

8. Hence why some people believe it's better to not impeach

Let him continue to drown in his own messes that he's creating and then annihilate him in the 2020 election. Impeachment without conviction could just embolden him and his base.

[Angry Dragon]

12. Can we survive that long??

[bearsfootball516]

14. Yes.

I am confident the United States will still be the United States in two years.

[Angry Dragon]

17. time will tell

[peggysue2]

15. Yes, I think we can if . . .

we take the majority in November with which we neuter the bastard and his treacherous acolytes. That's why the upcoming elections are so important. Mueller is doing the job he was authorized to do. We need to do our job--vote the GOP out where ever we can at the local, state and national level. It's a two-pronged attack: The Rule of Law and the voters, en masse, at the ballot box.

We can do this!

[Angry Dragon]

16. Thank you for the optimism

[question everything]

19. Makes sense. I'd rather somone sue him for using his office to enrich the family

these actions are verifiable. I don't think that even his base will approve. But then, again..

But if not straight impeachment, at least let the house turn back some of the damage that he has already caused. Yes, bring back the ACA, with tweaks. Probably can use some.

[Initech]

21. I may have an unpopular opinion here, but hear me out.

I think Trump being in office has been the best thing for us. I think people are starting to wake up and realize how corrupt and out of control the GOP really is, and how deep they are in bed with Russia. Because of that we've been winning in elections we haven't been able to win in decades. Honestly what I think we need to do is to let Orange Douche continue to stir in his own juices while we keep winning elections. If we keep flipping at the local level, we'll be able to start flipping at the national level.

[Wellstone ruled]

6. Bob Bennet knows of what he speaks.

All one needs to know is this,he was a Law Partner of Ty Cobb and they have been communicating about Cobb's representation of Trump.

What Bennet said last night is very probably. He is after all,one of DC's fixers.

[YessirAtsaFact]

9. At least 9 Republican senators were going to vote to convict Nixon

Otherwise Nixon would not have resigned.

The Dems held 56 seats in 1973 with one independent and one Conservative party senator.

They needed at least 9 Republican votes to convict and they had them.

Trump is guilty of many more crimes than Richard Nixon.

If the Democrats take control of the house, all of the Trump’s crimes will be exposed.

Enough republicans will vote yes to remove him

[question everything]

18. But we are a lot more divided now and the Republicans

are afraid of right-primaries. We did have some decent Republicans then not the rabid teabeggers and the "base" for whom destroying the country to make a point is quite acceptable.

[gratuitous]

10. The Republicans will concentrate their assets on holding the Senate

The current political climate isn't really favorable for Republicans, and lying their way out of what everyone can see happening is going to make a rough, tough slog between now and November. I think Paul Ryan took a look at Republican prospects, and figured that a bruising 2018 campaign was the last thing he needed. His prize, at best, is going to be a step down to Minority Leader, and even that's not a sure thing what with the Tea Baggers and their whiny ways. Who needs that?

But the Senate! There are the usual 33 seats up for election, plus 2 special election seats, and Democrats currently hold 26 of those seats. That means the Democrats have to hold every seat they currently have, and win two more to grab the majority. A 50-50 split means the Republicans maintain control. Democratic voters are pretty charged up for November and Republicans are pretty dispirited. But holding those nine seats, or failing that, flipping a Senate seat or two, would keep the Republicans in power in the Senate, where they can continue to confirm their horrible federal judge nominees for another two years. I think that is the prize Republicans are looking to win in November.

Impeachment is a long ways off, but it's doable. Public opinion has to be won first, with indisputable showing of Trump's high crimes and misdemeanors. Democrats had to pound away on Nixon's crimes for more than a year before the American people were inclined to remove a president. It's going to be tougher this time around, because of the built-in media empire working in service to all things Republican. It's going to take some heavy lifting, but our country is worth it.

[question everything]

20. The country, and Washington, were different during Nixon

Most of the members of Congress's wish was - surprise, surprise - the best for the country.

There was not that hateful speeches, no wishes to turn back everything that FDR or Johnson did.

Even the fact that most members of Congress lived in D.C. and thus on occasions socialized with each other no longer exists. Many, including Ryan, now live in their offices and I've recently read that some of it may be illegal benefits.

[appalachiablue]

22. All true, a different country and capital then as many know too well.

I hope we're approaching the End of destructive ultra conservativism- 40 years! Time to re-build.

[appalachiablue]

23. The Senate and all the court appts. if GOP majority, scary.