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Sat Mar 31, 2018, 01:46 AM

Easter's NBC live show Jesus Christ Superstar. Will Evangelicals freak that this Jesus is black?

Being played by John Legend. NBC 8-10ET

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Reply Easter's NBC live show Jesus Christ Superstar. Will Evangelicals freak that this Jesus is black? (Original post)
bobbieinok Mar 2018 OP
milestogo Mar 2018 #1
HAB911 Mar 2018 #20
TlalocW Mar 2018 #2
Glamrock Mar 2018 #3
EffieBlack Mar 2018 #5
Glamrock Mar 2018 #6
Atman Mar 2018 #15
Achilleaze Mar 2018 #18
Blue_true Mar 2018 #36
Aristus Mar 2018 #39
Glamrock Mar 2018 #41
Aristus Mar 2018 #43
LeftInTX Mar 2018 #58
flibbitygiblets Mar 2018 #4
VOX Mar 2018 #10
Lochloosa Mar 2018 #11
Soxfan58 Mar 2018 #35
Dave Starsky Mar 2018 #50
ProudLib72 Mar 2018 #51
Coventina Mar 2018 #7
Blue_Adept Mar 2018 #13
Atman Mar 2018 #16
Blue_Adept Mar 2018 #19
watrwefitinfor Mar 2018 #25
mountain grammy Mar 2018 #33
Iggo Mar 2018 #34
Funtatlaguy Mar 2018 #8
Achilleaze Mar 2018 #9
underpants Mar 2018 #12
Vinca Mar 2018 #14
Atman Mar 2018 #17
superpatriotman Mar 2018 #21
OliverQ Mar 2018 #44
sinkingfeeling Mar 2018 #22
HipChick Mar 2018 #23
FakeNoose Mar 2018 #24
John Fante Mar 2018 #52
heaven05 Mar 2018 #26
sheshe2 Mar 2018 #46
heaven05 Mar 2018 #47
sheshe2 Mar 2018 #48
ProudLib72 Mar 2018 #54
Guilded Lilly Mar 2018 #27
tonyt53 Mar 2018 #28
kwassa Mar 2018 #59
dlk Mar 2018 #29
WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2018 #30
dembotoz Mar 2018 #31
Iggo Mar 2018 #32
MineralMan Mar 2018 #37
Roland99 Mar 2018 #38
Corgigal Mar 2018 #40
csziggy Mar 2018 #42
bobbieinok Mar 2018 #45
FakeNoose Mar 2018 #49
Sneederbunk Mar 2018 #53
FakeNoose Mar 2018 #55
nolabear Mar 2018 #56
raven mad Mar 2018 #57

Response to bobbieinok (Original post)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 01:50 AM

1. They freak out that Jesus is Jewish.

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Response to milestogo (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 08:24 AM

20. And "Swarthy"

not lily white

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Response to bobbieinok (Original post)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 01:58 AM

2. Yes.

All right. Next really easy question.

TlalocW

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Response to bobbieinok (Original post)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 02:03 AM

3. Well, his description in the Bible says

His skin was liked bronze fired in a furnace (dark brown). And he had hair like wool....

So yeah, they'll freak out. Who actually expects an evangelical to know what's in the Bible?

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Response to Glamrock (Reply #3)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 02:09 AM

5. THAT part of the Bible can't be taken literally because, you know, white Jesus

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #5)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 02:22 AM

6. But of course.

Obviously, there were hordes of blonde, blue eyed men in ancient Israel, right?

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Response to Glamrock (Reply #6)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 07:27 AM

15. With name like Peter, David, Thomas, and Matthew.

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Response to Glamrock (Reply #6)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 07:45 AM

18. "You rang?" - JC Hybrid

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Response to Glamrock (Reply #6)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 09:54 AM

36. The Crusaders brought an image of a White Jesus to the Middleeast. nt

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Response to Glamrock (Reply #3)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 10:25 AM

39. Um...chapter and verse, please?

As I recall, there are no physical descriptions of Jesus in the Bible.

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Response to Aristus (Reply #39)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 10:34 AM

41. Revlatione 1:15

Daniel 7
Ezekial 40:3

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Response to Glamrock (Reply #41)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 10:49 AM

43. Those are prophetic visions.

Not descriptions of the man by those who knew him.

Conventional wisdom stands, then: no descriptions of Jesus in the Gospels.

Still, that doesn't mitigate my disdain for those who insist Jesus was a blond, blue-eyed white man.

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Response to Glamrock (Reply #3)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 10:33 PM

58. I think it would have been against

the Jewish faith to give a physical description of Jesus.

Sure we know that Noah lived 900 years and Moses was at the end of his life, so they are depicted as old with beards. David was young, got the women, so presumed to be handsome. About the only one that has a physical appearance in the bible is Samson. The rest are inferred by Christians based on their behavior.

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Response to bobbieinok (Original post)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 02:03 AM

4. Jesus IS black...just ask Ben Carson

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Response to flibbitygiblets (Reply #4)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 06:15 AM

10. That image will always be completely psychotic.

Macho-heroic-Jesus appears to be wearing a terry spa robe for good measure.

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Response to VOX (Reply #10)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 06:55 AM

11. I didn't realize they had hair straightener back then.

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Response to flibbitygiblets (Reply #4)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 09:54 AM

35. Also Klingon

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Response to Soxfan58 (Reply #35)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 02:49 PM

50. And an aikido champion.

Must be those giant hands of his.

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Response to flibbitygiblets (Reply #4)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 02:56 PM

51. Looks like Ben operated on Jesus' head. It doesn't look right.

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Response to bobbieinok (Original post)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 03:47 AM

7. They already consider the whole musical to be blasphemous.

Having a black Jesus won't add all that much to their ire.

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Response to Coventina (Reply #7)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 07:25 AM

13. Exactly

And I love the fact that as an atheist myself, this film is just hugely meaningful to me. I had seen it as a child and listened to it on 8-track repeatedly, but had no love of religion even at a young age (I was a SF buff). But this film ~moves~ me in so many ways. It's the power of a story told in a compelling way and every year when I watch the 70's film version I take something different away from it because of my own changes and growth of knowledge.

I'm excited to see how this live performance plays out.

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Response to Blue_Adept (Reply #13)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 07:29 AM

16. Still one of my favorites.

I’m an atheist, too, but I love this album (original cast recording only) on so many levels.

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Response to Atman (Reply #16)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 07:58 AM

19. I've seen a few interpretations over the years

But most fall flat in some way. The original cast nailed it.

The one that really threw me was one that re-interpreted it as a 9/11 tale.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/arts/2015/04/25/wrongheaded-jesus-christ-superstar-fiddlehead/cj27kQ4ukuV401f0aBltXL/story.html

Did not care for this interpretation at all.

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Response to Blue_Adept (Reply #13)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 09:10 AM

25. I saw a live performance by a traveling troupe.

Neely and Anderson reprised their original roles on stage in the '90s. I took my young teenage granddaughters.

They had never seen the movie, so had no idea what to expect. Their reactions - from the opening scene ("Help Me-e-e-e-e" in the completely dark theater) - were similar to mine when I first saw it twenty years earlier on screen. Wow. It was an outstanding stage production. And surprisingly lost little in the transition from the screen.

I'm an athiest, too. And I loved so much about this movie. Incredible performances by so many. Especially Ted Neely and Carl Anderson.

(If Jesus is going to be black in the new production, is Judas going to be white? I can see Legend as Jesus. Who would do Judas justice? Maybe Neil Patrick Harris?)

And such powerful scenes. The choreography at the temple and at Herod's place. Judas' whole scene in the desert and the tanks coming over the dunes. Most of all when everyone - actors, camera men, everone - lined up, got on the bus, and drove off leaving the Jesus hanging there.

I knew when I first saw it in the '70s that most "Christians" would hate it and consider it blasphemous. Some would understand it. But the ones who needed this "message" most would hate the movie and completely ignore anything they might learn from it about Christianity and/or the human condition.

I watched the movie with my granddaughter's children a few years ago when they were about 9-10. I think it's time for us all to see it again.

Wat


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Response to Blue_Adept (Reply #13)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 09:39 AM

33. Agree..

this atheist appreciates great theater, and JCS is great theater.

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Response to Blue_Adept (Reply #13)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 09:43 AM

34. I don't know why it moves me, either.

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Response to bobbieinok (Original post)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 06:08 AM

8. Yes, and isnt that

Delicious 😋.

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Response to bobbieinok (Original post)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 06:12 AM

9. Judas is a republican

appropriately enough...so the KGOP does have something to celebrate.

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Response to bobbieinok (Original post)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 07:25 AM

12. Yeah but I think Alice Cooper will help bring them back into accepting it

Wow John Legend, the first time I ever saw him was when he was the DJ on Ellen's show. I think he was the DJ when her syndicated show started. Just a few months later he had his first big hit.

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Response to bobbieinok (Original post)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 07:26 AM

14. Well . . . duh. Everyone knows Jesus was hot, blonde and a white guy.

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Response to bobbieinok (Original post)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 07:30 AM

17. What role does Ted Nugent play?

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Response to bobbieinok (Original post)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 08:45 AM

21. Who is Judas?

He has the best songs, and the whole musical revolves around him.

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Response to superpatriotman (Reply #21)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 10:51 AM

44. Brandon Victor Dixon, who played Aaron Burr

 

in Hamilton at one point is playing Judas.

Alice Cooper is King Herod and Sara Bareilles is Mary Magdalene.

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Response to bobbieinok (Original post)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 08:53 AM

22. Of course they will.

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Response to bobbieinok (Original post)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 09:02 AM

23. Newsflash!! Jesus is not a white, blonde blue-eyed Aryan...

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Response to bobbieinok (Original post)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 09:07 AM

24. John Legend is a very talented man

I don't know how religious he is, but I suspect it won't matter. Rightwing politics is about to take over and ruin his life.



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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #24)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 03:00 PM

52. Great meme.

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Response to bobbieinok (Original post)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 09:19 AM

26. will they?

 

HELL YES and the white supremacist crowd will shit a collective brick.

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #26)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 11:00 AM

46. Weren't they the same ones...

That threw a 'fizzy hit' when they did an all black version of Wizard of Oz...using all black actors??? Who cares what those assholes thinks. I will enjoy watch heads explode. Can ya just imagine if they portrayed Jesus as a woman as well..

To cool...I have it on record.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #46)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 12:50 PM

47. I know but our world/planet

 

finally would be able to access and have available all minds, wisdoms and advice, all linked to mutual human and animal survival. This planet is all we have. I think about and hope people are dedicated to saving 'Mother Earth and can...comets and asteroids notwithstanding....

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #47)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 12:55 PM

48. I fully agree.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #46)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 03:05 PM

54. Jesus was a woman?!



tRump will never take communion again! All that blood....

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Response to bobbieinok (Original post)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 09:19 AM

27. Im sure they will try to ignore it or mock it but I am totally

excited about the happening!!
The music is riveting and powerful.
Legend will be amazing!

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Response to bobbieinok (Original post)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 09:25 AM

28. It is just a TV show. Everybody knows that Jesus was a blond haired Anglo. Paintings everywhere

 

Surely those can't be wrong. On a side note, I did get to see JCS after it had been playing for a couple of months. A girl I was dating (we were in college) got two tickets from her parents as a Christmas gift and we went during Christmas break. It was at some place called Hellfinger (or something like that) Theater. There was a black guy that played Judas, but I have no idea who it was. Jesus was most definitely white, but did have dark hair.

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Response to tonyt53 (Reply #28)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 11:34 PM

59. Carl Anderson, I think.

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Response to bobbieinok (Original post)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 09:31 AM

29. Probably Only the Ones Who Worship a Light-Skinned, Blue-Eyed Jesus

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Response to bobbieinok (Original post)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 09:32 AM

30. They don't care.

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Response to bobbieinok (Original post)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 09:36 AM

31. just tell em its a lynching and they will be ok with it

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Response to bobbieinok (Original post)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 09:38 AM

32. If they do, I hope they freak in public. I could use a laugh. (n/t)

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Response to bobbieinok (Original post)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 10:21 AM

37. Oh, probably. But, who really cares?

After seeing Ted Neely play the role both in the film and on-stage, it's hard for me to imagine anyone else in that role. I actually saw his last live performance of it in the Twin Cities a few years ago. He could no longer hit the high notes, so they were fed into the play from a recording and he lip-synced them. Sad.

A lot of evangelicals hated the play from the very beginning. That hatred has died off, pretty much, due to time, but I'm sure it will be revived by a black man playing Jesus.

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Response to bobbieinok (Original post)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 10:22 AM

38. What an amazing soundtrack from that original

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Response to bobbieinok (Original post)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 10:32 AM

40. My favorite musical

Seen it on Broadway, then traveling in Tampa, North Charleston twice. Seen the original Jesus 3 times.

Can't wait to see John Legends take. Will be doing a sing a long here at the house. Feel free to stop by to munch on Jelly Beans and sing.

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Response to bobbieinok (Original post)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 10:48 AM

42. Cast of the 2018 version

Cast
Ben Daniels ... Pontius Pilate
Alice Cooper ... King Herod
John Legend ... Jesus
Brandon Victor Dixon ... Judas
Sara Bareilles ... Mary Magdalene
Norm Lewis ... Caiaphas
Erik Grönwall ... Simon Zealotes
Abby Corrigan ... Ensemble Soloist
Jason Tam ... Peter
Vince Oddo ... Apostle / Soloist
Jin Ha ... Annas
Syndee Winters ... Ensemble Soloist
Justin Gregory Lopez ... Ensemble Soloist
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt6874964/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast

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Response to bobbieinok (Original post)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 10:59 AM

45. Bdandon Dixon as Judas, Alice Cooper as Herod. Both AL Weber and T Rice are 'overseeing' this produc

There are preview clips and interviews with principals and backstage discussions on internet. Thought Brandon's view of Judas v interesting.

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Response to bobbieinok (Original post)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 02:18 PM

49. K&R Do not miss! Set your DVR

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Response to bobbieinok (Original post)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 03:01 PM

53. Nonbelievers will freak that it is being shown period.

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Response to Sneederbunk (Reply #53)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 03:15 PM

55. I disagree - it's the religious right who are going to freak

Nonbelievers won't care one way or the other. But showing Jesus as a black man? On national TV?
The Twitterworld is going to explode.

Personally I'm looking forward this production and I'm psyched for it. I love the music of Andrew Lloyd Webber and John Legend will be really good I'm sure.

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Response to bobbieinok (Original post)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 03:28 PM

56. Im betting they dont for the most part.

I could be wrong. But the play has been around for so long and is an alternative POV anyway. Judas isn’t depicted as a creep and betrayer but someone genuinely worried about the revolution and that “superstar” status. Jesus is really conflicted. The disciples are easily led twits. And yet there’s appeal in making it more “modern” and being in front of audiences at all.

I really like it. But I like stories and songs and their place in the conversation.

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Response to bobbieinok (Original post)

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 09:22 PM

57. Of course they will.

I'm being transported to the TV just for this show.

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