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Would it be wrong to cheer if Romney's horse doesn't medal? (Original Post) RandySF Jul 2012 OP
No. elleng Jul 2012 #1
Neigh. flamingdem Jul 2012 #25
YES! She is still an American and we want her and Rafalca to be on every TV screen in America. Firebrand Gary Jul 2012 #2
I certainly am much better than them but I still will never wish them well. pennylane100 Jul 2012 #6
I could give a shit about Ann Romney, we are so beneath her anyhow. Firebrand Gary Jul 2012 #9
no we are above her : ) april Jul 2012 #27
No, I think cheering for all Americans is ridiculous joeybee12 Jul 2012 #10
The olympics is the one athletic event that I do not take sides on. madinmaryland Jul 2012 #26
Seriously jberryhill Jul 2012 #30
Either way Rmoney is screwed. Archae Jul 2012 #3
Robme himself doesn't give a shit, so what do we care. I posted brewens Jul 2012 #4
It's not the horse's fault. LisaL Jul 2012 #5
We, The People pay almost eighty grand a year of our tax dollars to feed that nag. MADem Jul 2012 #7
I don't think right or wrong enters into it. MrSlayer Jul 2012 #8
Having seen a little of the British team.....Romney has no chance. slampoet Jul 2012 #11
Why are dancing horses part of the Olympics B Calm Jul 2012 #12
The military arts have a long history in the Olympic hack89 Jul 2012 #16
what was the military utility of arely staircase Jul 2012 #17
Immediate response to subtle voice and physical commands hack89 Jul 2012 #18
may yoi have a arely staircase Jul 2012 #21
Stings, doesn't it? Have a wonderful day. nt hack89 Jul 2012 #23
what stings? please explain. nt arely staircase Jul 2012 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author hack89 Jul 2012 #34
It's a show of the horse's responses xmas74 Jul 2012 #19
correct on all points, and ty magical thyme Jul 2012 #29
And Mr. Ebeling deserves the credit for what that horse can/cannot do. xmas74 Jul 2012 #38
Ebeling would have picked out the horse magical thyme Jul 2012 #39
I figured it was Eberling who picked the horse xmas74 Jul 2012 #40
no teevee, cable or satellite and dialup internet (pays for my horse's hay) magical thyme Jul 2012 #41
Woudn't it be wonderful if the retired horses xmas74 Jul 2012 #42
there are thousands of retired horses looking for homes magical thyme Jul 2012 #43
There is a program, xmas74 Jul 2012 #44
thank you. I vaguely remember reading something about it at one point magical thyme Jul 2012 #46
I need to look for the movie sometime. xmas74 Jul 2012 #47
Do you know the last year an American won a dressagebronze medal at the Olympics malaise Jul 2012 #13
Not if you're cheering for a different horse eShirl Jul 2012 #14
Me, too. GoCubsGo Jul 2012 #31
What about that rider who has dedicated so much for this moment? hack89 Jul 2012 #15
Sorry Ann. FSogol Jul 2012 #22
But what about the rider? nt hack89 Jul 2012 #24
No! blueamy66 Jul 2012 #20
I guess I'd be on 'Team Zara', for this event Siwsan Jul 2012 #28
What time will it be shown? goclark Jul 2012 #32
It would be wrong to wish any of the horses LWolf Jul 2012 #35
It won't come even close to medalling. She'll be somewhere in the middle of the pack riderinthestorm Jul 2012 #36
Rafalca is famous for being famous. Not really in running for the win. Bluenorthwest Jul 2012 #37
I think the first thing everyone should think of when they think of Mitt Romney DefenseLawyer Jul 2012 #45
If it medals I will be shocked nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #48

Firebrand Gary

(5,044 posts)
2. YES! She is still an American and we want her and Rafalca to be on every TV screen in America.
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 02:30 AM
Jul 2012

We are better than those people.

pennylane100

(3,425 posts)
6. I certainly am much better than them but I still will never wish them well.
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 03:01 AM
Jul 2012

These people are monsters. They do not care about the poor, the hungry, the homeless and the sick. They should be shamed and shunned whenever possible. I do not wish the horse harm but I hope it comes in last. It will not hurt the horse's feelings but it will wipe that smug look off Ann Romney's face.

Now, I feel so much better.

Firebrand Gary

(5,044 posts)
9. I could give a shit about Ann Romney, we are so beneath her anyhow.
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 05:53 AM
Jul 2012

I love the Olympics, everything that they stand for so I choose to separate my politics. Mitt is a fucking asshole, how can ANYONE disrespect the Olympics so my that the refuse to watch their own horse perform? It's the OLYMPICS....WTF

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
10. No, I think cheering for all Americans is ridiculous
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 05:58 AM
Jul 2012

You want your countrymen to do well, but, quite frankly, we should wish all countries well.

madinmaryland

(64,938 posts)
26. The olympics is the one athletic event that I do not take sides on.
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 11:37 AM
Jul 2012

I watch it to see the best athletes win, regardless of where they are from.

Archae

(46,430 posts)
3. Either way Rmoney is screwed.
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 02:32 AM
Jul 2012

They win a medal, they will be said to have bought it.

They don't win, they'll get laughed at.

brewens

(13,865 posts)
4. Robme himself doesn't give a shit, so what do we care. I posted
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 02:39 AM
Jul 2012

on Facebook that they were reporting a raucous crowd at the dressage venue! That they should know better than to sell alcohol at those equestrian events!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
7. We, The People pay almost eighty grand a year of our tax dollars to feed that nag.
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 03:33 AM
Jul 2012

I think we can do whatever the hell we want--we paid for Annie's Little Indulgence, we feed the thing, so we can do what we want.

I'm rooting for Jamaica in that contest!

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/27/oly-eque-dressage-day-idUSB93380820120727

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
8. I don't think right or wrong enters into it.
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 05:14 AM
Jul 2012

From certain points of view it's the only response.

It's stupid but if Willard's horse wins a medal, they'll try to hang it around his neck. If it doesn't, he'll keep up the dummy act.

"oh gee, it didn't win? I had no idea."

I think that despite the elitist, richie rich poompaffery of the sport, if the horse brings a gold medal, it will raise Romney's stock.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
16. The military arts have a long history in the Olympic
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 08:50 AM
Jul 2012

Dressage means "training" - it is based in the training that cavalry horses and riders received. It is a true team sport - it is just as much a measure of the riders skill as it is the horse.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
18. Immediate response to subtle voice and physical commands
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 10:37 AM
Jul 2012

Ney and Murat, if alive, would tell you how devastating a "dancing" horse ridden by a skilled rider could be.

And why do you neglect the charge of the Heavy Brigade?

You don't like Romney - got it. That is still not sufficient reason to make a fool of yourself. Did it ever cross your mind to take the 10 minutes necessary to Google the history of dressage?

Response to arely staircase (Reply #33)

xmas74

(29,691 posts)
19. It's a show of the horse's responses
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 10:43 AM
Jul 2012

to very subtle commands and it shows how well the trainer/rider has control of the horse. On the battlefield this once was the difference between a horse who could ride into battle on command and a horse who tossed his rider or was completely out of control.

I'm not a fan of the Romneys but dressage is a very finely honed sport and those who train day after day deserve credit. (I don't see them as the actual trainers-I believe they are just the owners, correct?)

xmas74

(29,691 posts)
38. And Mr. Ebeling deserves the credit for what that horse can/cannot do.
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 02:51 PM
Jul 2012

The Romneys might deserve a bit of credit, if one of them actually picked out the horse. There's something to being able to pick out a horse, knowing that's the horse that will be excellent in the field. What I don't know is if they personally picked it out or if an adviser stated that it was a good investment.

Either way, I will root for the horse and the trainer/rider, though I don't think the U.S. will win.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
39. Ebeling would have picked out the horse
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 03:08 PM
Jul 2012

he deserves the credit, but he also deserves the blame for what happened with one of the Romney's other horses, Super Hit. They competed that horse into the ground, drugging him to mask symptoms of unsoundness. And when it was clear he wouldn't be successful in competition again, instead of retiring him, Ann decided to sell him. And somebody loaded him up with 2 surgery-level sedative/analgesics in an attempt to defraud the buyer, who was another client of Ebeling, and who paid $125K for an unsound horse. It ended up in a lawsuit. Ann was ultimately dropped from the suit and Ebeling settled out of court.

It was cheating, unethical and inhumane on every level.

The veterinarian representing the plaintiff is also the US Equestrian Team vet. He stated he had never in 38 years of practice seen a horse so drugged up as Super Hit was, based on results of toxicology tests on blood specimens taken the day of the prepurchase examination. I expect he has been monitoring Rafalca closely to ensure that no cheating is going on this time round.

You are right that it is extremely unlikely that the US team will medal.

xmas74

(29,691 posts)
40. I figured it was Eberling who picked the horse
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 03:27 PM
Jul 2012

but I didn't know for certain. There was always that chance that maybe she might actually know what she's doing and I gave her the benefit of the doubt.

Super Hit-I've heard about it. Absolutely disgusting.

As to them medalling-the ground would need to open and suck down a good majority of the other horses for us to be in the running. Dressage just isn't our sport-we don't have that incredible tradition behind us and we have a public who has no idea what it actually is. If this sport were offered outside of the upper classes, if it were more accessable for public viewing, etc, then we might be able to get a bit more excited. As it is, it is a very expensive sport that many would at least need sponsorship to even think of getting involved with.

Speaking of sports the U.S. public doesn't watch-did you see any of the women's rowing this morning?

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
41. no teevee, cable or satellite and dialup internet (pays for my horse's hay)
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 04:09 PM
Jul 2012

so watching the Olympics is pretty much out for me. I actually stopped watching much years ago, due to NBC's nonstop babbling which is annoying as all get out. I will probably go to the library to watch video of the top rides and gymnastics after the fact. I'm good with that.

Dressage used to be more accessible than it is now. The 80s and 90s saw an influx of big money and "adult amateurs" that crowded out a lot of small timers. Boarding out became a total nightmare, with "dressage queens" taking over barns. I never want to board out again; too many times I've been sabotaged and too many times forced to subsidize the wealthy clients.

There still are places to learn, but they are few and far between. For example, Vitor Silva set up a training farm in Massachusetts where there was room for working students. When I met him some years ago, at his 1st facility in NH, he was very generous with his upper level Lusitano, Trovador, allowing even rank beginners to sit on him. Lusitanos are very generous and very forgiving horses. Silva is not into competition; he does exhibitions of Iberian dressage at events in Mass and now down in Florida. His training is absolutely classical; it was a blast for me to see the look on his face when, after about 10 minutes of "getting to know you," Trovador was performing pirouettes, half passes and passage with a total stranger off the street on his back. While Silva is Iberian school, I was trained in a combination German/Austrian/British school. But the fundamentals remain the same; it's at most a change in dialect and really more about the individual horse.

I was lucky when I was young to have been able to take lessons with a 2-time national combined training champion who later trained at the Spanish Riding School and became a successful international coach. These days, I wouldn't be able to be in the same barn as he was. I was also able, through him, to ride 2 GP horses owned by a 1%er in my lessons so I could learn the movements from experienced, correctly trained horses. These days, the 1%ers don't loan their semi-retired GP horses to aspiring young riders; they sell them off as schoolmasters at top dollar usually to other 1%ers.

xmas74

(29,691 posts)
42. Woudn't it be wonderful if the retired horses
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 04:25 PM
Jul 2012

were given to programs for underrepresented youth? I'd love to see that happen-for some, it might be the first time they've ever seen a horse up close and in person. The care, feeding, etc could really mean something to the kids.

The rowing was mindblowing today. I couldn't believe it.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
43. there are thousands of retired horses looking for homes
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 04:58 PM
Jul 2012

the more desperate ones sold to kill-buyers at auction. I would like to see them all end up in some kind of retirement program. Former competition horses may or may not be good candidates; they tend to be on the large size so can accidentally inflict a lot of damage, it really depends on whether they are the more sensitive, reactive type or the more sedate, drafty type.

I definitely would like to see the 1%ers who benefit from their competition horses have the humanity and grace to fund their horses' retirements in whatever form it takes. I am anything but wealthy, but I managed to give my rescued horse a home for life. If I can pull it off, they sure as heck can.

Over the years I've seen tv programs and heard of programs for inner city youths to get out into the country, and horse care is included in some of them. The biggest problem is the expense. Horses are not cheap to maintain and unfortunately, we have an administration that seems to favor slaughter for the excess.

xmas74

(29,691 posts)
44. There is a program,
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 05:30 PM
Jul 2012

in the city of Philadelphia, I think, that offers something along those lines. Inner city youth are given the opportunity to care for horses. They say it changes their lives.

This is the program I was thinking about.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fletcher_Street_Urban_Riding_Club

There are similar programs in other cities but this program has the horses actually in the city, making access for underprivileged youth within reach.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
46. thank you. I vaguely remember reading something about it at one point
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 05:58 PM
Jul 2012

don't remember the details.

This line has me in tears:

"The horses are purchased at a livestock auction in New Holland, Pennsylvania, giving a second chance to horses that would likely otherwise be killed.[4]"

xmas74

(29,691 posts)
47. I need to look for the movie sometime.
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 06:05 PM
Jul 2012

I believe this is the club that developed an incredible polo player who never would have had a chance to ride otherwise. I'm trying to find the info but I think it's wonderful. If this can be done then how many other equine sports can receive a similar boost from programs of this nature?

(Edit-not the same club but from the same city. The young man is part of the work to ride program. Here's the article about him-http://inamerica.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/08/top-ranked-polo-players-hail-from-philadelphias-inner-city/)

malaise

(270,567 posts)
13. Do you know the last year an American won a dressagebronze medal at the Olympics
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 07:13 AM
Jul 2012

You don't need to cheer against the poor horse - it won't win and neither with Willard in November

hack89

(39,171 posts)
15. What about that rider who has dedicated so much for this moment?
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 08:47 AM
Jul 2012

doesn't that count for something?

Siwsan

(26,464 posts)
28. I guess I'd be on 'Team Zara', for this event
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 11:50 AM
Jul 2012

You know, give those 'unenthusiastic' Brits something to get excited about. (INSERT HEAVY SARCASM NOTIFICATION HERE).

Plus, she rides her own horse so she AND her horse would be the winners.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
35. It would be wrong to wish any of the horses
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 12:33 PM
Jul 2012

used in any sporting event ill.

No matter who the owner is.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
36. It won't come even close to medalling. She'll be somewhere in the middle of the pack
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 12:45 PM
Jul 2012

Americans suck at dressage. Rafalca is lovely but this pair won't even get near the top placings.

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
45. I think the first thing everyone should think of when they think of Mitt Romney
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 05:33 PM
Jul 2012

is some rich guy in a ridiculous rich guy costume riding a dancing horse. Go for the gold!

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
48. If it medals I will be shocked
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 06:07 PM
Jul 2012

No serious, the US has not been a strong contender in any of the horse sports for some time.

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