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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsA word about Nunberg and the GJ subpoena
As someone who frequently handles subpoena compliance, there are a few things that strike me here.
Often, in a criminal investigation, the subject will be informed that communicating the contents of the subpoena in such a way as to compromise the investigation can constitute a criminal offense.
So, if you are subpoenaed about Joe, then you dont ring up Joe and say Hey, they want to ask me questions about you.
Notice that Nunberg made a number of claims about what is in the subpoena, but didnt provide a copy to any of the news organizations. He did keep mentioning a particular date - November 1, 2015 - but he also said the subpoena was about a date range.
He also made sure that Erin Burnett would smell alcohol, and then said he was taking anti-depressants.
If he wanted to make a point about how broad the subpoena is, why didnt he let anyone else read it, why would he keep mentioning a single date, and why would he behave in a fantastically erratic manner to lead people to believe he was not in control of his faculties?
IMHO, there is a simple answer to all three questions.
applegrove
(122,410 posts)why he kept repeating on Jake Tapper that he didn't want to spend 30 hours reviewing his emails to give them to Mueller. Makes me think he wast tanked.
rainin
(3,139 posts)Did someone send him out to distract?
The Velveteen Ocelot
(119,813 posts)applegrove
(122,410 posts)He was on 6 or 7 shows.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Then again, anyone who thinks Roger Stone is a father figure had an unfortunate childhood.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(119,813 posts)November 1, 2015 is the start date for producing the documents - they want all documents from that date to the present.
Ari Melber said he didn't smell alcohol on him, and John Heilemann said he's always like that. So I have no idea what's going on. It's bizarre.
HipChick
(25,494 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)I did not watch every one of his performances.
unblock
(54,031 posts)Honest question, I dont know if the relevant laws care about intent or command of faculties.
NBachers
(17,965 posts)rainin
(3,139 posts)Justice
(7,197 posts)They referred to it when one subsequent guest asked what the end date was - thru the present.
uponit7771
(91,313 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)for anyone who's not read it.
As for this guy, as I pointed out in another post, prevalence of personality disorders among Americans has been measured at 9.1%. That's 1 out of every 11 people we've ever known. The various obsessive types, the suspicious schizoid types, the lying, manipulative, troublemaking types. Basically, the sort people always talk about, wondering what on earth made them "behave that way."
That's a lot of people. Plus, a lot more people merely display strong traits of without being severe enough to be diagnosable, and there are, of course, other mental disorders.
I suspect mental disorder of some type is what a lot of people were seeing displayed today. The other thing people wonder is why "they" don't just stop it because they're going to get fired, in trouble with the law in this case, etc., and the answer is that they can't, which is a huge clue to an actual disorder.
pnwmom
(109,426 posts)And at one point he said the subpoena period covered November 15 to the present.
Also, he showed the subpoena to the Washington Post reporter.
But I agree with what I think you're saying. I think he went public with this as a way to warn the people on the list. And he made himself act like an alcoholic nutcase to destroy his credibility as a witness for either sides.
Sophia4
(3,515 posts)Sophia4
(3,515 posts)That is in my opinion more likely than alcohol or drugs.
If alcohol or drugs are involved, it may be because he uses them to help him deal with stress.
I did not notice that his speech was slurred. Did you? Maybe I just missed it.
pnwmom
(109,426 posts)slows people down rather than speeding them up.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)rules out use of alcohol and/or drugs. His speech was not slurred on either of the two separate shows I watched his interviews on, Tappers' and Hayes' later. And part of Melber's.
TwistOneUp
(1,020 posts)I'm thinking he wants to eat his cake and have it, too. IOW, he's going to yakk to Mueller but make everyone think he's telling them, "go pound sand."
This way, he can rat out the GOP et al and avoid jail time; i.e., "See you guys! I told 'em nuthin'!", while keeping his BFF buddy-boy relationship with Roger Stone.
So yeah, IMHO all this "I ain't sayin' shit" bluster is bs. I call bs! lol
C Moon
(12,513 posts)Hekate
(94,084 posts)...the Nunberg Hindenberg?