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jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 01:15 AM Mar 2018

A word about Nunberg and the GJ subpoena


As someone who frequently handles subpoena compliance, there are a few things that strike me here.

Often, in a criminal investigation, the subject will be informed that communicating the contents of the subpoena in such a way as to compromise the investigation can constitute a criminal offense.

So, if you are subpoenaed about Joe, then you don’t ring up Joe and say “Hey, they want to ask me questions about you.”

Notice that Nunberg made a number of claims about what is in the subpoena, but didn’t provide a copy to any of the news organizations. He did keep mentioning a particular date - November 1, 2015 - but he also said the subpoena was about a date range.

He also made sure that Erin Burnett would smell alcohol, and then said he was taking anti-depressants.

If he wanted to make a point about how broad the subpoena is, why didn’t he let anyone else read it, why would he keep mentioning a single date, and why would he behave in a fantastically erratic manner to lead people to believe he was not in control of his faculties?

IMHO, there is a simple answer to all three questions.
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A word about Nunberg and the GJ subpoena (Original Post) jberryhill Mar 2018 OP
Erin Burnet did have a copy of the subpeona. But yeah. Who knows applegrove Mar 2018 #1
30 hours? So he said 50 and 80 and apparently 30. rainin Mar 2018 #8
He said 80 repeatedly in the interviews I heard. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2018 #9
I was not sure how many hours he said most often. He did say 30. He did say 80. applegrove Mar 2018 #10
You think he flipped and was putting on an act at the behest of Mueller?...nt SidDithers Mar 2018 #2
I think he was attempting to destroy his own credibility jberryhill Mar 2018 #24
Here is the attachment to the subpoena, which was obtained by the Washington Post. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2018 #3
The copy is all over Twitter... HipChick Mar 2018 #5
ah, okay jberryhill Mar 2018 #23
Is negligently compromising an investigation a lesser charge than intentionally doing so? unblock Mar 2018 #4
I plead dense: What, in your humble opinion, is the simple answer to all three questions? NBachers Mar 2018 #6
Ari got a close up view of the subpoena. I could read the names easily. n/t rainin Mar 2018 #7
Ari had a copy after Nunberg left the set. Justice Mar 2018 #22
NutBerg is a distraction, that New Yorker Story on Tillerson & the Russians is slamming uponit7771 Mar 2018 #11
True. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #15
True. Jane Mayer's, Russia possibly choosing cabinet members, Hortensis Mar 2018 #19
They showed a copy of the first page on one of the interviews today -- I'm not sure which. pnwmom Mar 2018 #12
They showed a page on Jake Tapper I think. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #14
Haven't you dealt with people in manic states? Sophia4 Mar 2018 #13
Yeah, I think if he smelled like alcohol maybe he poured it on his clothing. Alcohol usually pnwmom Mar 2018 #16
Yes. Mental disorder of some type, and that in no way Hortensis Mar 2018 #20
FWIW... TwistOneUp Mar 2018 #17
Drinking and driving. Throw the book at him. C Moon Mar 2018 #18
This is just twisted enough to be real. What happened today while we were staring at ... Hekate Mar 2018 #21

applegrove

(120,069 posts)
1. Erin Burnet did have a copy of the subpeona. But yeah. Who knows
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 01:20 AM
Mar 2018

why he kept repeating on Jake Tapper that he didn't want to spend 30 hours reviewing his emails to give them to Mueller. Makes me think he wast tanked.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
24. I think he was attempting to destroy his own credibility
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 09:18 AM
Mar 2018

Then again, anyone who thinks Roger Stone is a father figure had an unfortunate childhood.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(117,302 posts)
3. Here is the attachment to the subpoena, which was obtained by the Washington Post.
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 01:23 AM
Mar 2018
https://www.washingtonpost.com/apps/g/page/politics/grand-jury-subpoena-for-sam-nunberg/2283/

November 1, 2015 is the start date for producing the documents - they want all documents from that date to the present.

Ari Melber said he didn't smell alcohol on him, and John Heilemann said he's always like that. So I have no idea what's going on. It's bizarre.

unblock

(53,096 posts)
4. Is negligently compromising an investigation a lesser charge than intentionally doing so?
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 01:28 AM
Mar 2018

Honest question, I don’t know if the relevant laws care about intent or command of faculties.

Justice

(7,190 posts)
22. Ari had a copy after Nunberg left the set.
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 07:05 AM
Mar 2018

They referred to it when one subsequent guest asked what the end date was - thru the present.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
19. True. Jane Mayer's, Russia possibly choosing cabinet members,
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 04:39 AM
Mar 2018

for anyone who's not read it.

As for this guy, as I pointed out in another post, prevalence of personality disorders among Americans has been measured at 9.1%. That's 1 out of every 11 people we've ever known. The various obsessive types, the suspicious schizoid types, the lying, manipulative, troublemaking types. Basically, the sort people always talk about, wondering what on earth made them "behave that way."

That's a lot of people. Plus, a lot more people merely display strong traits of without being severe enough to be diagnosable, and there are, of course, other mental disorders.

I suspect mental disorder of some type is what a lot of people were seeing displayed today. The other thing people wonder is why "they" don't just stop it because they're going to get fired, in trouble with the law in this case, etc., and the answer is that they can't, which is a huge clue to an actual disorder.

pnwmom

(109,176 posts)
12. They showed a copy of the first page on one of the interviews today -- I'm not sure which.
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 02:40 AM
Mar 2018

And at one point he said the subpoena period covered November 15 to the present.

Also, he showed the subpoena to the Washington Post reporter.

But I agree with what I think you're saying. I think he went public with this as a way to warn the people on the list. And he made himself act like an alcoholic nutcase to destroy his credibility as a witness for either sides.

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
13. Haven't you dealt with people in manic states?
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 03:02 AM
Mar 2018

That is in my opinion more likely than alcohol or drugs.

If alcohol or drugs are involved, it may be because he uses them to help him deal with stress.

I did not notice that his speech was slurred. Did you? Maybe I just missed it.

pnwmom

(109,176 posts)
16. Yeah, I think if he smelled like alcohol maybe he poured it on his clothing. Alcohol usually
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 03:16 AM
Mar 2018

slows people down rather than speeding them up.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
20. Yes. Mental disorder of some type, and that in no way
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 04:45 AM
Mar 2018

rules out use of alcohol and/or drugs. His speech was not slurred on either of the two separate shows I watched his interviews on, Tappers' and Hayes' later. And part of Melber's.

TwistOneUp

(1,020 posts)
17. FWIW...
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 03:55 AM
Mar 2018

I'm thinking he wants to eat his cake and have it, too. IOW, he's going to yakk to Mueller but make everyone think he's telling them, "go pound sand."

This way, he can rat out the GOP et al and avoid jail time; i.e., "See you guys! I told 'em nuthin'!", while keeping his BFF buddy-boy relationship with Roger Stone.

So yeah, IMHO all this "I ain't sayin' shit" bluster is bs. I call bs! lol

Hekate

(92,307 posts)
21. This is just twisted enough to be real. What happened today while we were staring at ...
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 04:46 AM
Mar 2018

...the Nunberg Hindenberg?

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