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(28,136 posts)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 08:54 AM Jul 2012

The software code used in...

...gaming machines, at casinos, is regulated and transparent.

The software code used in voting machines is deemed "proprietary", by the corporations that own them, and therefore is not subject to inspection.

Do I have my facts correct?

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The software code used in... (Original Post) SHRED Jul 2012 OP
Here's a handy chart... Scuba Jul 2012 #1
Nice chart! tk2kewl Jul 2012 #6
I like that chart riverbendviewgal Jul 2012 #8
That system is WAY too simple and sound. SunSeeker Jul 2012 #11
I think it would never work in the U.S. HeiressofBickworth Jul 2012 #24
Will print for the cork board at work. nt awoke_in_2003 Jul 2012 #9
Excellent. This should be its own post. nt SunSeeker Jul 2012 #12
And the slots have 'way prettier demonstrators. n/t malthaussen Jul 2012 #13
Not only that, but... Atman Jul 2012 #2
Without modem ports, how would they hack into them to rig the elections? HopeHoops Jul 2012 #4
Can someone hack voting machines using smartphones? n/t meow2u3 Jul 2012 #7
Absolutely. If you know how. Atman Jul 2012 #14
Lots of ways unc70 Jul 2012 #25
Gaming machine code is independently reviewed by the Nevada gaming commission ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #3
Casinos deal with MONEY. No one in authority gives a f**k about VOTES.... Junkdrawer Jul 2012 #5
Bingo. n/t wakemewhenitsover Jul 2012 #20
Diebold also makes... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2012 #10
And I bet you never get a receipt that says... Atman Jul 2012 #15
Diebold also makes ATM machines. intheflow Jul 2012 #16
What if voting was as convenient as using an ATM DaveJ Jul 2012 #17
Receipt? Major Hogwash Jul 2012 #21
I didn't know this until recently, but Diebold doesn't deal in voting machines any longer.... Klukie Jul 2012 #22
Slot machines have an additional safeguard. Jim Lane Jul 2012 #18
I'll bet you can get your answer from the great and ll knowing Bev Harris deaniac21 Jul 2012 #19
What certainly must be the biggest howler of them all: IDemo Jul 2012 #23


(4,260 posts)
8. I like that chart
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 09:59 AM
Jul 2012

The Link does not work though...

In Ontario we vote with pencil and paper.....Votes are counted by the end of the evening. We have enough of people per population to man the voting stations...and we also have a couple of early days to vote other than the voting day

I like our system.


(52,205 posts)
11. That system is WAY too simple and sound.
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 10:50 AM
Jul 2012

It could never work in the U.S....because it would result in verifiable and accurate vote totals.


(2,682 posts)
24. I think it would never work in the U.S.
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 12:19 AM
Jul 2012

because no corporation profits from the transaction. Remember, it's always all about the money. Someone figured out how to wring some cash out of a voting procedure and then spread enough gratis around to get contracts to furnish the machines. Profit, profit, profit.


(31,464 posts)
2. Not only that, but...
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 09:08 AM
Jul 2012

Last edited Thu Jul 26, 2012, 10:59 AM - Edit history (1)

I designed the animated graphics for a couple of slot machines. I called the company to request a little more time to complete the project. That's when I found out how ridiculous our treatment of voting machines is.

I was told no, I could not have more time because they are required by law to provide 30 days notice to the state anytime they move the machines, and the delivery date was already set. Not only that, they were required to hire a team of off-duty state troopers (paid overtime, of course) to provide escort while the machines were in transit. If they changed the delivery date it would literally cost them over ten thousand dollars...which they would be happy to take out of my fee if I really needed the time.

For voting machines, some local registrar can toss an electronic machine in the back of his minivan and take it home. And I don't recall anyone explaining why the need modem ports.



(47,675 posts)
4. Without modem ports, how would they hack into them to rig the elections?
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 09:20 AM
Jul 2012

I guess they could uses blue tooth, but that's a local protocol. A wireless modem lets them be hacked from damn near anywhere.


(6,164 posts)
25. Lots of ways
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 03:05 AM
Jul 2012

Pre-hack the hardware -- almost any piece, even memory chips - do you know where your hardware has been?

Dongle on keyboard, mouse, touch screen

In ballot setup

and on and on and on

My DU2 journal and archive and elsewhere have a lot about this.


(22,144 posts)
3. Gaming machine code is independently reviewed by the Nevada gaming commission
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 09:10 AM
Jul 2012

That does not mean it is regulated or transparent. However, it is a damn site better than black box voting machines


(31,464 posts)
15. And I bet you never get a receipt that says...
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 11:00 AM
Jul 2012

You ordered and paid for a burrito, when you actually ordered a chimi. Diebold can figure this out. Voting...eh...it's too complicated, apparently.


(28,568 posts)
16. Diebold also makes ATM machines.
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 11:19 AM
Jul 2012

I can get my transaction receipts in a couple different ways from that.


(5,023 posts)
17. What if voting was as convenient as using an ATM
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 11:40 AM
Jul 2012

Almost everyone would vote. What good is political power if everyone is able to vote? Then politicians would just have to start working for the people, and they don't want that.


Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
18. Slot machines have an additional safeguard.
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 12:01 PM
Jul 2012

If a slot machine of a particular type (say, one with a Batman theme) is to be used in Nevada, then ALL the manufacturer's machines of that type must meet certain specifications, regardless of where they're sold or to be used.

Thus, if an improper machine is found in use in Las Vegas, the manufacturer can't say, "Oops, that was intended for one of our customers in Panama, a clerical error caused it to be shipped here instead." Even if it was intended for Panama, it has to meet Nevada's standards.


(16,926 posts)
23. What certainly must be the biggest howler of them all:
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 11:04 PM
Jul 2012
Diebold Secures The Founding Documents Of America's History

Diebold, Incorporated is now safeguarding the foundation of America's history, the Charters of Freedom: the U.S. Constitution, the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights, in three customized high-tech vaults installed at the National Archives Building in Washington, D.C.

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