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Thu Jul 26, 2012, 08:54 AM

 

The software code used in...


...gaming machines, at casinos, is regulated and transparent.

The software code used in voting machines is deemed "proprietary", by the corporations that own them, and therefore is not subject to inspection.

Do I have my facts correct?


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SHRED Jul 2012 OP
Scuba Jul 2012 #1
tk2kewl Jul 2012 #6
riverbendviewgal Jul 2012 #8
SunSeeker Jul 2012 #11
HeiressofBickworth Jul 2012 #24
awoke_in_2003 Jul 2012 #9
SunSeeker Jul 2012 #12
malthaussen Jul 2012 #13
Atman Jul 2012 #2
HopeHoops Jul 2012 #4
meow2u3 Jul 2012 #7
Atman Jul 2012 #14
unc70 Jul 2012 #25
ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #3
Junkdrawer Jul 2012 #5
wakemewhenitsover Jul 2012 #20
awoke_in_2003 Jul 2012 #10
Atman Jul 2012 #15
intheflow Jul 2012 #16
DaveJ Jul 2012 #17
Major Hogwash Jul 2012 #21
Klukie Jul 2012 #22
Jim Lane Jul 2012 #18
deaniac21 Jul 2012 #19
IDemo Jul 2012 #23

Response to SHRED (Original post)

Thu Jul 26, 2012, 09:03 AM

1. Here's a handy chart...

 

<a href="http://imgur.com/drkWK"><img src="" alt="" title="Hosted by imgur.com" /></a>

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Response to Scuba (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 26, 2012, 09:46 AM

6. Nice chart!

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 26, 2012, 09:59 AM

8. I like that chart

The Link does not work though...

In Ontario we vote with pencil and paper.....Votes are counted by the end of the evening. We have enough of people per population to man the voting stations...and we also have a couple of early days to vote other than the voting day

I like our system.

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Response to riverbendviewgal (Reply #8)

Thu Jul 26, 2012, 10:50 AM

11. That system is WAY too simple and sound.

It could never work in the U.S....because it would result in verifiable and accurate vote totals.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #11)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 12:19 AM

24. I think it would never work in the U.S.

because no corporation profits from the transaction. Remember, it's always all about the money. Someone figured out how to wring some cash out of a voting procedure and then spread enough gratis around to get contracts to furnish the machines. Profit, profit, profit.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 26, 2012, 10:15 AM

9. Will print for the cork board at work. nt

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 26, 2012, 10:53 AM

12. Excellent. This should be its own post. nt

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Response to Scuba (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 26, 2012, 10:55 AM

13. And the slots have 'way prettier demonstrators. n/t

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Thu Jul 26, 2012, 09:08 AM

2. Not only that, but...

Last edited Thu Jul 26, 2012, 10:59 AM - Edit history (1)

I designed the animated graphics for a couple of slot machines. I called the company to request a little more time to complete the project. That's when I found out how ridiculous our treatment of voting machines is.

I was told no, I could not have more time because they are required by law to provide 30 days notice to the state anytime they move the machines, and the delivery date was already set. Not only that, they were required to hire a team of off-duty state troopers (paid overtime, of course) to provide escort while the machines were in transit. If they changed the delivery date it would literally cost them over ten thousand dollars...which they would be happy to take out of my fee if I really needed the time.

For voting machines, some local registrar can toss an electronic machine in the back of his minivan and take it home. And I don't recall anyone explaining why the need modem ports.

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Response to Atman (Reply #2)

Thu Jul 26, 2012, 09:20 AM

4. Without modem ports, how would they hack into them to rig the elections?

 

I guess they could uses blue tooth, but that's a local protocol. A wireless modem lets them be hacked from damn near anywhere.

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Response to HopeHoops (Reply #4)

Thu Jul 26, 2012, 09:51 AM

7. Can someone hack voting machines using smartphones? n/t

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Response to meow2u3 (Reply #7)

Thu Jul 26, 2012, 10:56 AM

14. Absolutely. If you know how.

People know how.

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Response to HopeHoops (Reply #4)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 03:05 AM

25. Lots of ways

Pre-hack the hardware -- almost any piece, even memory chips - do you know where your hardware has been?

Dongle on keyboard, mouse, touch screen

In ballot setup

and on and on and on

My DU2 journal and archive and elsewhere have a lot about this.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Thu Jul 26, 2012, 09:10 AM

3. Gaming machine code is independently reviewed by the Nevada gaming commission

That does not mean it is regulated or transparent. However, it is a damn site better than black box voting machines



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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Thu Jul 26, 2012, 09:25 AM

5. Casinos deal with MONEY. No one in authority gives a f**k about VOTES....

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Response to Junkdrawer (Reply #5)

Thu Jul 26, 2012, 04:11 PM

20. Bingo. n/t

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Thu Jul 26, 2012, 10:18 AM

10. Diebold also makes...

 

the cash registers where I buy tacos. I get a receipt with my tacos.

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #10)

Thu Jul 26, 2012, 11:00 AM

15. And I bet you never get a receipt that says...

You ordered and paid for a burrito, when you actually ordered a chimi. Diebold can figure this out. Voting...eh...it's too complicated, apparently.

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #10)

Thu Jul 26, 2012, 11:19 AM

16. Diebold also makes ATM machines.

I can get my transaction receipts in a couple different ways from that.

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Response to intheflow (Reply #16)

Thu Jul 26, 2012, 11:40 AM

17. What if voting was as convenient as using an ATM

Almost everyone would vote. What good is political power if everyone is able to vote? Then politicians would just have to start working for the people, and they don't want that.

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #10)

Thu Jul 26, 2012, 08:27 PM

21. Receipt?

Now, why didn't anyone else think of that??

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #10)

Thu Jul 26, 2012, 10:27 PM

22. I didn't know this until recently, but Diebold doesn't deal in voting machines any longer....

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Thu Jul 26, 2012, 12:01 PM

18. Slot machines have an additional safeguard.

 

If a slot machine of a particular type (say, one with a Batman theme) is to be used in Nevada, then ALL the manufacturer's machines of that type must meet certain specifications, regardless of where they're sold or to be used.

Thus, if an improper machine is found in use in Las Vegas, the manufacturer can't say, "Oops, that was intended for one of our customers in Panama, a clerical error caused it to be shipped here instead." Even if it was intended for Panama, it has to meet Nevada's standards.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Thu Jul 26, 2012, 12:11 PM

19. I'll bet you can get your answer from the great and ll knowing Bev Harris

at Black Box Voting...

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Thu Jul 26, 2012, 11:04 PM

23. What certainly must be the biggest howler of them all:

Diebold Secures The Founding Documents Of America's History

Diebold, Incorporated is now safeguarding the foundation of America's history, the Charters of Freedom: the U.S. Constitution, the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights, in three customized high-tech vaults installed at the National Archives Building in Washington, D.C.

http://www.diebold.com/charters.htm

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