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Odoreida

(1,549 posts)
Sun Feb 4, 2018, 08:14 AM Feb 2018

David Brooks of the NY Times says let's back off about abortion.

The Abortion Memo
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/01/opinion/abortion-democrats-compromise.html

At least that's how I'm reading it.

...

I understand that our donors (though not necessarily our voters) want to preserve a woman’s right to choose through all nine months of her pregnancy. But do we want late-term abortion so much that we are willing to tolerate President Trump? Do we want it so much that we give up our chance at congressional majorities? Do we want it so much that we see our agendas on poverty, immigration, income equality and racial justice thwarted and defeated?

...


Something about false dichotomies?
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samnsara

(17,677 posts)
1. what a bunch of shit..those 'late term abortions' are almost non existant
Sun Feb 4, 2018, 08:19 AM
Feb 2018

...and done when the fetus isn't viable. yet another man telling women about their health care.

 

janterry

(4,429 posts)
3. I understand what he is saying
Sun Feb 4, 2018, 08:22 AM
Feb 2018

but it's so hard. The facts about late-term abortion don't match the rhetoric on the right. So, we capitulate because they refuse to understand the facts?

Why doesn't Brooks attempt to explain to the right (his right) the reality of the choice. That way he could be part of the solution - a rational republican helping to educate the republican base. With facts.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
8. +1
Sun Feb 4, 2018, 09:14 AM
Feb 2018

I think that is in that "messaging" thing, though I have seen attempts to correct the right's improper rhetoric on the subject.

The real point on the right is that it should be the decision of someone other than the mother. Or not hers unfettered. So I guess that is why explaining it fails.

Freddie

(9,292 posts)
5. I thought Brooks was a "conservative intellectual"
Sun Feb 4, 2018, 08:34 AM
Feb 2018

Now there's an oxymoron...but he's swollowing the RWNJ meme of "abortion through 9 months of pregnancy." Viability, asshole. Later term abortions are for very real medical reasons. Our lives are worth less than the "life" of a fetus that will certainly die. What an unbelievable insult to half the human race.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
21. I think him and Rubin at the Post have seen the light.
Sun Feb 4, 2018, 01:18 PM
Feb 2018

They see what unrestrained conservatism is.

Freddie

(9,292 posts)
22. Maybe economically
Sun Feb 4, 2018, 01:36 PM
Feb 2018

But he obviously still buys the "women are merely Tupperware for the sacred fetus" party line. I do have hope for Ms. Rubin.

Cosmocat

(14,606 posts)
6. OFFS
Sun Feb 4, 2018, 08:40 AM
Feb 2018

Moderating on this issue will literally bring zero votes from anyone who voted based on abortion.

NONE.

ZERO

ZIP

NADA

And Brooks suggesting this highlights how big of a fraud he is as an "intellectual."

Freddie

(9,292 posts)
10. Exactly
Sun Feb 4, 2018, 09:17 AM
Feb 2018

The forced birth crowd would never be happy with just a late-term ban, they want no abortions whatsoever. Pregnancy putting your life in danger? Shoulda kept your legs closed, married lady!

Vinca

(50,350 posts)
7. How about we back off playing doctor and let a woman and her doctor decide?
Sun Feb 4, 2018, 09:10 AM
Feb 2018

If Brooks had a wife carrying a child guaranteed to die at birth and she was in peril would he oppose a late term abortion? Lay people should not be deciding these things one way or the other. Democrats need to tell Republicans to stay out of the private lives of citizens.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
11. +1000
Sun Feb 4, 2018, 09:28 AM
Feb 2018

Now there's an IDEA!

I know it must seem like I am stalking you today, but I assure you I am not. I have just liked a lot of your posts so far!

get the red out

(13,468 posts)
9. It doesn't matter
Sun Feb 4, 2018, 09:14 AM
Feb 2018

There is no way to back enough on reproductive rights to win over anyone who votes only on that issue anyway, moot point.

Terry_M

(745 posts)
14. No no no no no.
Sun Feb 4, 2018, 09:42 AM
Feb 2018

How about we talk about being the party that ACTUALLY reduces abortion rates through providing access to birth control and better education? Abortion rates are already at historic lows, I bet our party can reduce them further.
Bans only move things underground, and for a country that already has 3 to 4 times the maternal death rate as the rest of the western world, we really don't want to go there.

cally

(21,603 posts)
15. So, we should allow women to die?
Sun Feb 4, 2018, 11:18 AM
Feb 2018

I sat by a friend (years ago) crying hysterically because she was going to die if she didn't get a late term abortion. Her fetus was going to die and she would die if she carried it to term. I always think of her when once more some entitled person brings wants to make all late term abortion illegal. It is a death sentence for political reasons.

I thought they argue they are pro life but instead they want to kill women.

eShirl

(18,515 posts)
16. Let's just back off on my constitutional rights?
Sun Feb 4, 2018, 11:29 AM
Feb 2018

It's the anti-constitutional side that needs to back off.

Yavin4

(35,461 posts)
18. Ever notice how the media always tries to get the Democrats to soften on their issues, but praises
Sun Feb 4, 2018, 11:34 AM
Feb 2018

Republicans when they're obstinate about their issues?

DFW

(54,593 posts)
20. Who's "we" sucker?
Sun Feb 4, 2018, 12:05 PM
Feb 2018


Brooks is writing as if he were a Democrat. He's about as credible here as George Wallace advocating desegregation.

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