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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDavid Brooks of the NY Times says let's back off about abortion.
The Abortion Memohttps://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/01/opinion/abortion-democrats-compromise.html
At least that's how I'm reading it.
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I understand that our donors (though not necessarily our voters) want to preserve a womans right to choose through all nine months of her pregnancy. But do we want late-term abortion so much that we are willing to tolerate President Trump? Do we want it so much that we give up our chance at congressional majorities? Do we want it so much that we see our agendas on poverty, immigration, income equality and racial justice thwarted and defeated?
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Something about false dichotomies?
samnsara
(17,677 posts)...and done when the fetus isn't viable. yet another man telling women about their health care.
brucefan
(1,549 posts)janterry
(4,429 posts)but it's so hard. The facts about late-term abortion don't match the rhetoric on the right. So, we capitulate because they refuse to understand the facts?
Why doesn't Brooks attempt to explain to the right (his right) the reality of the choice. That way he could be part of the solution - a rational republican helping to educate the republican base. With facts.
I think that is in that "messaging" thing, though I have seen attempts to correct the right's improper rhetoric on the subject.
The real point on the right is that it should be the decision of someone other than the mother. Or not hers unfettered. So I guess that is why explaining it fails.
JI7
(89,306 posts)Freddie
(9,292 posts)Now there's an oxymoron...but he's swollowing the RWNJ meme of "abortion through 9 months of pregnancy." Viability, asshole. Later term abortions are for very real medical reasons. Our lives are worth less than the "life" of a fetus that will certainly die. What an unbelievable insult to half the human race.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)They see what unrestrained conservatism is.
Freddie
(9,292 posts)But he obviously still buys the "women are merely Tupperware for the sacred fetus" party line. I do have hope for Ms. Rubin.
Cosmocat
(14,606 posts)Moderating on this issue will literally bring zero votes from anyone who voted based on abortion.
NONE.
ZERO
ZIP
NADA
And Brooks suggesting this highlights how big of a fraud he is as an "intellectual."
The forced birth crowd would never be happy with just a late-term ban, they want no abortions whatsoever. Pregnancy putting your life in danger? Shoulda kept your legs closed, married lady!
Vinca
(50,350 posts)If Brooks had a wife carrying a child guaranteed to die at birth and she was in peril would he oppose a late term abortion? Lay people should not be deciding these things one way or the other. Democrats need to tell Republicans to stay out of the private lives of citizens.
Now there's an IDEA!
I know it must seem like I am stalking you today, but I assure you I am not. I have just liked a lot of your posts so far!
Vinca
(50,350 posts)get the red out
(13,468 posts)There is no way to back enough on reproductive rights to win over anyone who votes only on that issue anyway, moot point.
delisen
(6,053 posts)Terry_M
(745 posts)How about we talk about being the party that ACTUALLY reduces abortion rates through providing access to birth control and better education? Abortion rates are already at historic lows, I bet our party can reduce them further.
Bans only move things underground, and for a country that already has 3 to 4 times the maternal death rate as the rest of the western world, we really don't want to go there.
cally
(21,603 posts)I sat by a friend (years ago) crying hysterically because she was going to die if she didn't get a late term abortion. Her fetus was going to die and she would die if she carried it to term. I always think of her when once more some entitled person brings wants to make all late term abortion illegal. It is a death sentence for political reasons.
I thought they argue they are pro life but instead they want to kill women.
eShirl
(18,515 posts)It's the anti-constitutional side that needs to back off.
Wounded Bear
(58,829 posts)right?
Yavin4
(35,461 posts)Republicans when they're obstinate about their issues?
lunasun
(21,646 posts)womenz die
DFW
(54,593 posts)Brooks is writing as if he were a Democrat. He's about as credible here as George Wallace advocating desegregation.
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