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NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 02:18 AM Jan 2018

Make your predictions now: When SC Mueller moves, will the American Public believe him or lying Fox?

In a sane world, I wouldn’t be posting this abut a lifelong Republican (!}, but it actually is the legitimate question. The media will act stunned and generally supportive of Mueller on day 1 with the exception of FNC. But what happens on day 2?

An example is the ACA. We got positive coverage the day it was passed by the House the second time but then it was smeared in the follow-up coverage. Remember? A contrarian example is that the SCOTUS ruling on the ACA in 2012 shellshocked the media and they didn’t even try to spin it as anything other than a blockbuster victory for President Obama.

It’s just I can sense the media on day 2 after Mueller’s impeachment referral nitpicking and trying to make it seem like Trump didn’t commit any crimes at all even if Mueller outlines 25! The graver threat is probably the media will excuse Trump for obstructing justice if that’s all Mueller accuses him of. Russian conspiracy aspects would be far harder for the Media and Trump to spin into good news for Trump on day 2.

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Make your predictions now: When SC Mueller moves, will the American Public believe him or lying Fox? (Original Post) NewsCenter28 Jan 2018 OP
They will believe lying Fox and Limbaugh - sharedvalues Jan 2018 #1
34% will support Trump believe/otherwise. Maybe 32%. Most of America, I think, will believe Mueller. Anny61 Jan 2018 #2
60% will believe him... 35% will believe Fox... 5% will be clueless/unsure scheming daemons Jan 2018 #3
Thats good to hear! NewsCenter28 Jan 2018 #5
the evidence against dumbass will be overwhelming mnmoderatedem Jan 2018 #11
It will also be technical and complex... Baconator Jan 2018 #18
My take is 18% will back Fox till hell freezes over. Wellstone ruled Jan 2018 #4
Nah...closer to the mid 30's Dopers_Greed Jan 2018 #12
The evidence will be overwhelming and it will be similar to the polls. 30-40% no, the rest of the Kirk Lover Jan 2018 #6
Mueller will present the evidence he finds. Sophia4 Jan 2018 #7
The truth will set them free. They just don't know it yet. nocalflea Jan 2018 #8
That's my feeling, too. They'll seep into the woodwork only because their racist got caught. lindysalsagal Jan 2018 #17
Uh huh... Baconator Jan 2018 #19
Nobody watches fox Cedric140k Jan 2018 #9
No, 'we' don't. We have a corporate-owned, $$$ driven 'media'. Only Faux is truly one-sided ... mr_lebowski Jan 2018 #15
only brain-dead fucking idiots believe Fox News Skittles Jan 2018 #10
The majority of the American public will believe Mueller whathehell Jan 2018 #13
27% will side with Fox Lies aeromanKC Jan 2018 #14
The 32% that live in Dumbfuckistan amerikka maxrandb Jan 2018 #16

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
1. They will believe lying Fox and Limbaugh -
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 02:30 AM
Jan 2018

Best in-depth examination I have seen:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/2/16588964/america-epistemic-crisis



But it doesn't matter what the 35% that support the GOP think. This is a progressive-majority country. The GOP has won only due to voter suppression and low turnout. That is over for 2018. There will be a large blue turnout.





NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
5. Thats good to hear!
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 02:40 AM
Jan 2018

I swear I’ll go insane and jump off the top of the highest building near me if the media takes a generally skeptical/harsh view of the Mueller results the way they were all for the GOP during the shutdown.

mnmoderatedem

(3,728 posts)
11. the evidence against dumbass will be overwhelming
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 04:10 AM
Jan 2018

but 35% will immediately write it off as fake news witch hunt. You know the drill.

Baconator

(1,459 posts)
18. It will also be technical and complex...
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 07:21 AM
Jan 2018

... With no overt smoking gun of a video of Trump implicating himself and talking to Boris and Natasha about moose and squirrels email.

The don't know... Don't care percentage will be huge

 

Kirk Lover

(3,608 posts)
6. The evidence will be overwhelming and it will be similar to the polls. 30-40% no, the rest of the
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 02:43 AM
Jan 2018

country yes. I am hoping that the non believers will be as close to 30% as possible. I do believe in the face of the evidence that some more "normal" or "rational" deplorables will just have to peel away.

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
7. Mueller will present the evidence he finds.
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 03:19 AM
Jan 2018

And he will base his conclusions on that evidence.

Opinions will differ as to whether his conclusions are correct and backed by the evidence.

He will only produce charges that are solidly backed by the evidence. He is, by nature, a moderate and not prone to exaggeration.

He won't make statements that are not backed strongly by the evidence.

We don't know whether he will support impeachment of Trump. We don't know who wil be indicted.

Mueller has documents that tell a story we don't really know.

nocalflea

(1,387 posts)
8. The truth will set them free. They just don't know it yet.
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 03:38 AM
Jan 2018

I suspect the majority of Trumpsters will go into "hiding". It'll be tough to turn back the tide of disgrace they'll be confronted with.

Thankfully 60% of Americans already get it.

The media conglomerates will have to be dealt with. They have failed their citizenship tests and we can't let them off the hook. We must demand changes.

lindysalsagal

(20,680 posts)
17. That's my feeling, too. They'll seep into the woodwork only because their racist got caught.
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 07:11 AM
Jan 2018

But I really think no one wants russia running the pres. around.

Trouble is, they own pense, too.

Baconator

(1,459 posts)
19. Uh huh...
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 07:25 AM
Jan 2018

Prepare for disappointment...

A literal video of Trump fellating Putin and discussing their plans to bring back the USSR would not produce that result.

Be realistic...

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
15. No, 'we' don't. We have a corporate-owned, $$$ driven 'media'. Only Faux is truly one-sided ...
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 05:18 AM
Jan 2018

Because it's paid for by the Murdoch's, Mercers, Kochs, and Waltons of the world. They happily (for them) 'make money' but even if they weren't directly profitable, they'd be propped up anyway. Money to be made on 'back end' with successful tax cuts and the like.

All the rest are sided with 'whatever generates eyes and clicks' i.e. the 'horse race' and 'controversy'.

The 'liberal' media to the extent it exists consists of a few commentary shows like Joy and Rachel and Lawrence, and 'comedy' like Colbert and Daily Show. And the WaPo and NYT can SOMEWHAT be depended upon to give us straight facts, but both (exactly like ABC, CBS, NBC, etc) feel strangely compelled to let 'the other side tell their story' even when it's completely without factual merit ... just to avoid 'bias' claims.

But those are rare slivers of light, the entire rest of the mainstream media-sphere is Reich-Wing except in the rare case when pushing a liberal angle is a 'money-maker' ... as long as it doesn't financially harm their Ownership in any way.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
13. The majority of the American public will believe Mueller
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 04:34 AM
Jan 2018

They never wanted this clown to begin with, and are thoroughly sick of him by now.

aeromanKC

(3,322 posts)
14. 27% will side with Fox Lies
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 04:56 AM
Jan 2018

It will be more than Mueller. It will also be State AG's bringing money laundering RICO charges. This will not end pretty for Trump and his deplorables. It will be overwhelming.

maxrandb

(15,324 posts)
16. The 32% that live in Dumbfuckistan amerikka
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 07:00 AM
Jan 2018

Will believe Faux News. 10-15% of liberals and progressives will blame the Democratic Party

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