Aaaaaaaand...We Cave

[Morris64]

What the fuck?? I felt like we were taking the high road, making a stand. And then nothing.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thinkprogress.org/senate-democrats-cave-9c2e6aa1bf95/amp/

[NCTraveler]

1. What all did we cave on?

Complete lack of content.

[Morris64]

2. Shutdown. If wanted to keep it up and going, we could have.

[Demsrule86]

7. No one wants a shutdown.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

9. Exactly. A shutdown would harm the economy and cost millions

of federal employees their paychecks. Nobody wants it. Holding the government for ransom is something the GOP would do (and did back in 2013). The deal Schumer made was as good as the Dems could get as the minority party and it spares them from getting any blame for a shutdown.

[NCTraveler]

12. You didn't answer the question.

Staying content free, I see.

[ornotna]

3. Nope

Sorry, try again.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

4. It wasn't a cave; I call it a win, at least as much as you can get

as the minority party. CHIP is funded; the government is reopening; McConnell is on the record agreeing to a DACA bill; and Dems don't get blamed for millions of federal employees going without paychecks. It's not a perfect result but it's as good as we could get. And definitely not a cave.

[Demsrule86]

5. I agree completely. We got the best deal we could.

[spanone]

6. 👍🏼

[Phoenix61]

8. Well said!

As other posters have noted, splitting CHIP and DACA works to our advantage. The "they care more about illegal immigrants than they do REAL American children" BS is over. We got one. We will get the other.

[elfin]

14. Nope - they got the Dump past the SOTU and Davos in order to screw DACA again

Better a shorter agreement to deprive him of his attention for SOTU and Davos.

Not happy here.

McConnell's "promise" on DACA means NOTHING. DACA will be so encumbered with hateful provisions that it is doomed without Dems caving on so many other provisos that completely obliterate ACA or give even more goodies to the fact donors via strategic exemptions here and there.

[femmocrat]

10. I think Mitch only agreed to an up-or-down vote on DACA.

We'll see. I don't trust him one bit.

[SCantiGOP]

57. They'll vote on DACA

And Trump and the GOP will load it with so much horrible stuff that the Dems will have to vote against it. Republicans will then declare their second victory in a month.

[stonecutter357]

11. Cool Story, Bro .

[leftynyc]

13. Yawwwwwwnnnnnnnn

CHIP funded for another 6 years versus a republican party that GOT NOTHING AT ALL. Except for another shut down headache in 17 days. Your angst is boring.

[Amishman]

16. This, we kicked their butt. We got a major demand in full, they got 3 weeks of business as normal

[Sharpshooter007]

15. If the OP is dead wrong..

Then why did virtually all the potential 2020 democratic candidates vote against it?

[louis c]

18. Because they want to win the primary and I want to win the election

[Morris64]

33. Exactly! At least some forward-thinkers exist!

We gotta boot the dinosaurs.

[GulfCoast66]

38. Thats the ticket

First attack those in our own party who we disagree with.

Then, someday we can get around to the republicans.

That will work.

[MGKrebs]

24. Thank you. That was thoughtful.

We do need to be able to have vigorous discussions here. And it can be done in a respectful and thoughtful way.

[scheming daemons]

19. Your inability to understand the situation is noted. This was a win today.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

20. FUD nt

[SharonClark]

21. Looks like a win.

[LanternWaste]

22. If funding CHIP for six more years is "caving", I'd love to see what you consider an actual win.

If funding CHIP for six more years is "caving", I'd love to see what you consider an actual win.

[Puzzledtraveller]

27. The republicans were never not going to fund it

it was a decoy. I work in KCHIP.

[ProfessorGAC]

28. What LW Said

Nicely stated. The OP is a complaint in search of an actual problem.

[BoneyardDem]

23. One man's whine, half glass empty rhetoric.....

...is another man's reality at being a minority in the House, Senate and WH. Sometimes, strategy rather than bullhorn methods plays better, but there are always a few who fail to recognize the strategic game that is played when one is in the minority.

[Puzzledtraveller]

25. not sure it's a win as others believe

i think CHIP was going to pass anyway, I am Medicaid caseworker and having been doing KCHIP, Kentucky's program since 2009 and there was never any fear or discussion that we would lose it. If the republicans made CHIP look contentious it was a ruse, and they used it perfectly getting our party to accept a no-gaurantee vote on DACA.

[Scurrilous]

26. We?

[samnsara]

29. we did take the high road.. we are country before party.. we did GOOD!

[Irish_Dem]

30. So we cannot agree if this was a win or a loss??? nt

[Demsrule86]

43. It was a win.

[MFM008]

31. Now maggot goes out

Lies as usual.
Declares victory.

Lies some more.

[Morris64]

32. Spin spin, we hold reps accountable for bullshit or we will keep losing.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/01/the-democrats-are-losers.html

Let’s get serious about this.

[Cha]

34. You're the one who's spinning

[Hekate]

35. Nope. CHIP gets funded for the next 6 years, and that's good. Recommend you watch ...

...Lawrence O'Donnell's show for Monday night. All the way through.

[oberliner]

37. Republicans don't oppose funding CHIP

Orrin Hatch was one of the creators of the program.

[Hekate]

39. CHIP was a hostage.

[BoneyardDem]

41. 80% of Reps that like CHIP realized that 100% of Dems support it. It became a bargaining chip...

....and not a program that benefits the children in need. It's how they roll, and we should all recognize it. There is nothing sacred enough to the Republicans that they won't use is to forward their party agenda....Party above Country. Isn't that obvious to everyone by now?

[Demsrule86]

45. Hillary Clinton created that program.

It wouldn't have happened without her efforts and it has saved millions of children's lives over the years.

[oberliner]

36. That's what Trump tweeted also

Link to tweet

[Hekate]

44. Trump is a propagandist, like the rest of the GOP. You believe anything they say?

The lies are sickening and constant. It's our job to call them out for spewing propaganda, not act like there's any merit to what they say.

[Demsrule86]

46. And when I take any info from liar Trump...hell will have frozen over.

[BoneyardDem]

40. nope, repeating the RWTP isn't making you seem pro Dem

Some just don't get political maneuverings and strategy.

I'm just gong to say it...purists suck at seeing the big picture.

[Morris64]

47. And lately we suck at elections. Time for a change!

Just my opinion.

[Hekate]

50. Actually, Morris64, lately we are winning at elections. If that "sucks" for you, that's sad...

PS: Hillary Clinton WON. She was so "disliked" that she got 3 million more votes than Trump.

[BoneyardDem]

51. and you are entitled to it

just don't constantly include the entire nation in your "we" statements. At least one person responding to you (and that would be me), does not agree that "we" caved, or that "we" suck at elections.

You don't sound like a fired up Dem, you sound defeatist, and I've learned not to trust continued defeatists statements that come from so called Dems.

[Anny61]

42. A couple Democratic Leaders are calling out the Russian strong messaging on

Democrats caving. An heads up.

[Hekate]

48. Which "Democratic leaders" exactly? Wait, what? On re-reading, that didn't make sense. nt

[Anny61]

56. I got the "Release the Memo" and "#schumershutdown" confused.

Russian bots reportedly is pushing both. Feinstein and Schiff were addressing the first.

[Hekate]

49. This is an impressive feat: the OP is attracting negative newbies like flies

How do they do it?

[BoneyardDem]

52. OMG....you noticed too?

defeatists behaviors....now who would benefit from spreading that type of thinking?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10135883

[Hekate]

58. Three so far

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Need a MIRT here

[samnsara]

53. we didnt cave. Country before party..we are the adults in the room...

...as always. Sometimes the adults don't get the biggest piece of cake. But we are adults so we know why where and how for next time. The GOP would have used slash and burn on America to get their way. Im proud of what we did and how unified we were.

[Maine-i-acs]

54. Concern noted, low-post-counter...

NT

[Joe941]

55. lets call it a win and move on...