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Sat Jan 13, 2018, 09:35 AM

 

So have Sen Gillibrand and Schumer called on Trump to resign over the porn star allegation?

Yeah; I thought not!

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Reply So have Sen Gillibrand and Schumer called on Trump to resign over the porn star allegation? (Original post)
Chasstev365 Jan 2018 OP
PJMcK Jan 2018 #1
Mike Nelson Jan 2018 #2
n2doc Jan 2018 #3
Squinch Jan 2018 #4
TheCowsCameHome Jan 2018 #5
SayItLoud Jan 2018 #6
oberliner Jan 2018 #7
louis c Jan 2018 #8
Tarheel_Dem Jan 2018 #9
hatrack Jan 2018 #10
Tarheel_Dem Jan 2018 #12
Ohiogal Jan 2018 #52
sheshe2 Jan 2018 #55
spartan61 Jan 2018 #14
Tarheel_Dem Jan 2018 #16
onenote Jan 2018 #19
karynnj Jan 2018 #30
Nevernose Jan 2018 #42
karynnj Jan 2018 #43
Iwasthere Jan 2018 #57
karynnj Jan 2018 #59
Nevernose Jan 2018 #61
Paladin Jan 2018 #11
oberliner Jan 2018 #13
Paladin Jan 2018 #15
Beaverhausen Jan 2018 #60
TheCowsCameHome Jan 2018 #28
Jarqui Jan 2018 #17
Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #18
rzemanfl Jan 2018 #20
Kaleva Jan 2018 #21
Chasstev365 Jan 2018 #22
theaocp Jan 2018 #24
Kaleva Jan 2018 #26
LisaL Jan 2018 #36
Chasstev365 Jan 2018 #37
Wwcd Jan 2018 #56
Cha Jan 2018 #62
standingtall Jan 2018 #39
Kaleva Jan 2018 #40
standingtall Jan 2018 #41
LexVegas Jan 2018 #32
GulfCoast66 Jan 2018 #23
GulfCoast66 Jan 2018 #25
stonecutter357 Jan 2018 #35
Funtatlaguy Jan 2018 #27
Duppers Jan 2018 #44
Funtatlaguy Jan 2018 #48
Cicada Jan 2018 #29
LexVegas Jan 2018 #31
left-of-center2012 Jan 2018 #33
McCamy Taylor Jan 2018 #34
Kirk Lover Jan 2018 #38
MoonRiver Jan 2018 #45
L. Coyote Jan 2018 #46
ProudLib72 Jan 2018 #54
sarcasmo Jan 2018 #47
Blue_true Jan 2018 #49
Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #50
Lunabell Jan 2018 #51
Beaverhausen Jan 2018 #53
mythology Jan 2018 #58

Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 09:37 AM

1. Exactly! (n/t)

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 09:47 AM

2. Bam..

...bam.

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 09:48 AM

3. And the Shithead comment as well?

Not holding my breath.

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 09:53 AM

4. Funny, I haven't heard a thing.(...She says while dialing Schumer on her speed dial to complain

AGAIN about their silence.)

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 09:56 AM

5. No, he's a republican,

we must keep our powder dry.

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:00 AM

6. The Evangelical poster boy

Just after sacred marriage to his own immigrant who entered the country illegally he violated the laws of God with adultery. Evangels....crickets, but their defense will come.

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:04 AM

7. Gillibrand called on Trump to resign in December

Kirsten Gillibrand: Donald Trump should resign amid harassment claims

"I've heard these women's testimony, and many of them are heartbreaking," Gillibrand said on CNN's Amanpour. "And President Trump should resign his position."

https://www.lohud.com/story/news/politics/politics-on-the-hudson/2017/12/11/kirsten-gillibrand-donald-trump-resign/108517802/

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:05 AM

8. No one despises Trump more than I do...

...but even in the worst case scenario, this is consensual sex.

The person Trump wants to keep in the dark about his extra marital encounter is Melania.

The only way this is a crime is if the pay off was campaign money. That's what to check.

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:05 AM

9. How is this, in any conceivable way, relative to Al Franken's situation? And why would anyone call..

for Dump's resignation for a consensual extramarital affair? AFAIK, the actress hasn't accused him of unwanted sexual advances. This is apples and oranges, and frankly it's disruptive to keep dragging Gillibrand through the mud when we have crucial midterms to think about.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #9)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:08 AM

10. So you're OK with a blackmailable president?

Whatevs . . .

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Response to hatrack (Reply #10)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:15 AM

12. No, I am not. I'm just sick of Gillibrand being dumped on. She has worked tirelessly on sexual...

assault in the military. I understand why she felt the need to speak up. Franken could have stayed, but he would have had a huge millstone around his neck and a big question mark, which would have made him frightfully ineffective. I wish the Ethics committee would have carried out the investigation and had the hearings as he requested, but that didn't happen. We have a Dem senator replacing him, and we have a very important midterm coming up. It's obvious to me that there are people who want to split us up and weaken us for the challenges ahead. I just wish others could see it.

As for Trump's "blackmail-ability", let's hope Mueller has his ear to the ground.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #12)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 05:31 PM

52. I agree 100% Tarheel

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #12)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 05:36 PM

55. +1000

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #9)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:16 AM

14. Clinton's affair was also consenual

and look at the huge brouhaha that caused. He was impeached because he lied. Looks like the orange S...hole can swear, lie, cheat, ignore the Constitution, etc. with no consequences.

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Response to spartan61 (Reply #14)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:21 AM

16. Then investigate Trump like we investigated Clinton, but since we don't control a single branch of..

government, I don't see that happening. And I still fail to see how Gillibrand's calling for his resignation changes anything. If any action is taken, it will have to come from his own party.

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Response to spartan61 (Reply #14)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:33 AM

19. Does that mean that you believe the repubs were right in going after Clinton

or that hypocrisy only bothers you when its the other side being hypocritical.

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Response to spartan61 (Reply #14)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 11:53 AM

30. He lied under oath -- Trump has not yet lied under oath, but as he always lies, he might lie about

something when he speaks to Mueller.

However, in Congress, it became clear that "high crimes and misdemeanors" is not defined, but whatever Congress deems it to be. It is fascinating to read the speeches of the Democratic Senators. Most follow the same format: A few paragraphs describing what they thought Clinton did wrong. This was then usually followed by describing some extenuating circumstances. They then described why this did not reach the level of "high crimes and misdemeanors". The reason they were fascinating is that all of them clearly put thought and effort into how they wanted to appear in the record. In some ways, the comments can be seen to reference the values of the individual Senators.

What might be interesting is that many concede that Clinton likely coached Betty Currie before she appeared, which would have been obstruction of justice IF it were hiding an illegal act. I would bet that if things move forward, the Trump advocates will look through those statements to argue that Democrats refused to throw Clinton out for that. Now, the obvious difference is that Trump is obstructing an investigation into a very serious crime that affects national security. In Trump's case, there is a REAL underlying crime. (Note that paying off a porn star - even if proven - is not something Trump can be impeached on - especially as it was before he was in office. It very well may be that it was designed to be a distraction from both the real Russian issue and the real racism issue.)

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Response to karynnj (Reply #30)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 02:04 PM

42. Bill Clinton did NOT lie under oath

That’s just not reality.

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Response to Nevernose (Reply #42)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 02:29 PM

43. That and obstruction of justice, coaching a witness are what he was accused of

The Senate, on are a party line vote, did NOT vote to remove him. As to if he lied, it depends on what the meaning of "is" is -- he tried to cleverly use language.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #43)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 06:05 PM

57. Oh for Shits sake!

No comparison.

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Response to Iwasthere (Reply #57)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 06:50 PM

59. Which is exactly what I wrote in the earlier post

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Response to karynnj (Reply #43)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 08:13 PM

61. Bullshit

And I say all of this as NOT a Clinton fan, either one.

The “is is” thing was a distraction and played zero part in the impeachment.

The perjury part was a lie. It was a lie no matter what the senate found or what you heard on TV. Perjury was, objectively speaking, a complete and total lie.

Both parties in the Jones civil case stipulated as to the definition of sex: vaginal intercourse and ONLY vaginal intercourse. That’s not what Bill and Monica did, so when he said “no” it was the truth. Ken Starr and the rest of them knew it was a lie.

Did Bill feel like he hit the lottery when he was asked that question, phrased that way?
Probably.
Did he lie when he answered it? Or perjur himself?
No. Absolutely not.

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:10 AM

11. So far, their silence is deafening.

I'd like to think they would both demand trump's resignation on Monday morning, but I'm not very optimistic about it.

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Response to Paladin (Reply #11)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:15 AM

13. Gillibrand called on Trump to resign in December

Kirsten Gillibrand: Donald Trump should resign amid harassment claims

"I've heard these women's testimony, and many of them are heartbreaking," Gillibrand said on CNN's Amanpour. "And President Trump should resign his position

https://www.lohud.com/story/news/politics/politics-on-the-hudson/2017/12/11/kirsten-gillibrand-donald-trump-resign/108517802/

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Response to oberliner (Reply #13)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:19 AM

15. She's not saying it often enough or loudly enough to suit me. (nt)

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Response to Paladin (Reply #15)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 08:11 PM

60. Why not ask your own senators to ask Trump to resign?

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Response to oberliner (Reply #13)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 11:38 AM

28. After she roasted Franken.

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:29 AM

17. He won't resign if the pee pee tapes come out

(apparently/allegedly, there is more than one)

He's probably making another set in the White House

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:30 AM

18. At a moment when Republicans are in total disarray

the opportunity to turn this into a fight between Democrats presents itself.

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:50 AM

20. K&R n/t.

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:58 AM

21. She already called for him to resign in December but you ignore that.

Your campaign to smear the reputation of Sen. Franken by trying to portray him as a helpless tool of Sen Gillbrand has not gone unnoticed.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #21)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:59 AM

22. Excuse Me?

 

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Response to Chasstev365 (Reply #22)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 11:03 AM

24. You're being called a troll. n/t

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Response to Chasstev365 (Reply #22)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 11:06 AM

26. Sen Frasnken has proven himself to be a fighter and an honorable person

There is nobody in the Senate who could have made Franken do something he didn't believe was right. To perpetuate the myth that he was forced out, is in my opinion, an effort to make him look like he is a much lesser person then he is.

I wish he would have stayed, and even have made a run for president, but he decided to resign and he being a whole lot smarter then many of us here put together, had very good reasons why he and only he, decided to do so.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #26)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 12:43 PM

36. Most of his colleagues demanded he resigned.

He didn't just decide on his own.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #36)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 12:45 PM

37. So why are the same fellow Democrats calling for Trump to resign NOW?

 

Do you get the point?

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Response to Chasstev365 (Reply #37)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 05:52 PM

56. Don't forget to include the Independent, Bernie Sanders in you Party bashing .

Democrats & the Independent.
Say it.

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Response to Wwcd (Reply #56)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 08:16 PM

62. ..

Wwcd

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #26)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 01:43 PM

39. He was forced out nothing mythical about it

When 30 plus Democrats demanded he resign before a hearing it was impossible for him to get a fair hearing and you can bet all 52 republicans would've agreed with those 30 plus Democrats. Sense 30 plus Democrats already decided he was guilty before a hearing there would've been enough for expulsion when factoring in republicans. Claiming he wasn't forced out just don't fit the reality of what happened.

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Response to standingtall (Reply #39)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 01:57 PM

40. So you are saying there is no difference between Repubs and Dems?

Your comment:

"When 30 plus Democrats demanded he resign before a hearing it was impossible for him to get a fair hearing...."

It's a given Repubs won't afford someone a fair hearing but you say Dems would behave the exact same way.



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Response to Kaleva (Reply #40)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 02:02 PM

41. No not saying their the same

but in that case they behaved in the same way as republicans. 30 plus Democrats were not going to walk back their demands for resignation because it would've made them look politically foolish. Would you want to face a jury in which you knew every one of the members publicly said you were guilty before the trial?

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Response to Chasstev365 (Reply #22)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 12:04 PM

32. Need some aloe? nt

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #21)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 11:02 AM

23. Nicely done!

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 11:06 AM

25. Why dont you just let it go

We get that many people just have to find a Villain to blame for the resignation of someone they adored. Ultimately, Franken made his own decisions and is the only person responsible for his decision to resign.

How about we concentrate on fighting republicans rather than each other.

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #25)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 12:38 PM

35. Why dont you just let it go ?

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 11:23 AM

27. I understand the pain by many in our party over Franken.

Strong progressive who had a bright future.
Was what Franken did with women wrong. Of course, it was.
But, how wrong? To what degree?
It just seems like he got caught up in the Me Too movement as being the same as rapists, pedofiles, and molestors.
His behavior was crude, inappropriate, and deserved scorn.
Many believe that He should have been supported by his party in his hope to get a full and impartial ethics hearing before he was pressured into resigning.

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Response to Duppers (Reply #44)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 05:17 PM

48. Yeah, I was aware of the Roger Stone influence.

Didn’t want to rehash in this thread.
Just wanted to point out that all abuse is not the same.
There is a scale.
Or at least, there should be.

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 11:46 AM

29. I think Stormy consented

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 12:03 PM

31. ...

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 12:18 PM

33. Amen

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 12:32 PM

34. Divide and conquer is the GOP's number one political tool.

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Response to McCamy Taylor (Reply #34)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 12:46 PM

38. I don't understand how people are purposefully divisive on this board...I can understand

 

if you want to stir up shit elsewhere....but here...NO. Thread;trashed.

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:09 PM

45. Do pigs fly yet?

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:25 PM

46. Make that Ryan and McConnell and you don't have a false equivalency.

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Response to L. Coyote (Reply #46)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 05:34 PM

54. Screw that! Ryan and McConnell gave themselves a tax break

so they could each afford $130K porn stars. But McConnell is having difficulty finding a porn star who is suitably turtlesque.

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:31 PM

47. That trick only works on Al Franken.

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 05:20 PM

49. Gillibrand has already called on him to resign.

What do you expect her to do, go around cackling it like a chicken?

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 05:20 PM

50. Let it go.

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 05:25 PM

51. Quit trying to stir the pot

Franken made his decision. Either support Dems or change your registration.

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 05:33 PM

53. Was Franken accused of consensual sex?

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 06:11 PM

58. Hopefully this helps you understand what consent is


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