So have Sen Gillibrand and Schumer called on Trump to resign over the porn star allegation?

[Chasstev365]

Yeah; I thought not!

[PJMcK]

1. Exactly! (n/t)

[Mike Nelson]

2. Bam..

...bam.

[n2doc]

3. And the Shithead comment as well?

Not holding my breath.

[Squinch]

4. Funny, I haven't heard a thing.(...She says while dialing Schumer on her speed dial to complain

AGAIN about their silence.)

[TheCowsCameHome]

5. No, he's a republican,

we must keep our powder dry.

[SayItLoud]

6. The Evangelical poster boy

Just after sacred marriage to his own immigrant who entered the country illegally he violated the laws of God with adultery. Evangels....crickets, but their defense will come.

[oberliner]

7. Gillibrand called on Trump to resign in December

Kirsten Gillibrand: Donald Trump should resign amid harassment claims

"I've heard these women's testimony, and many of them are heartbreaking," Gillibrand said on CNN's Amanpour. "And President Trump should resign his position."

https://www.lohud.com/story/news/politics/politics-on-the-hudson/2017/12/11/kirsten-gillibrand-donald-trump-resign/108517802/

[louis c]

8. No one despises Trump more than I do...

...but even in the worst case scenario, this is consensual sex.

The person Trump wants to keep in the dark about his extra marital encounter is Melania.

The only way this is a crime is if the pay off was campaign money. That's what to check.

[Tarheel_Dem]

9. How is this, in any conceivable way, relative to Al Franken's situation? And why would anyone call..

for Dump's resignation for a consensual extramarital affair? AFAIK, the actress hasn't accused him of unwanted sexual advances. This is apples and oranges, and frankly it's disruptive to keep dragging Gillibrand through the mud when we have crucial midterms to think about.

[hatrack]

10. So you're OK with a blackmailable president?

Whatevs . . .

[Tarheel_Dem]

12. No, I am not. I'm just sick of Gillibrand being dumped on. She has worked tirelessly on sexual...

assault in the military. I understand why she felt the need to speak up. Franken could have stayed, but he would have had a huge millstone around his neck and a big question mark, which would have made him frightfully ineffective. I wish the Ethics committee would have carried out the investigation and had the hearings as he requested, but that didn't happen. We have a Dem senator replacing him, and we have a very important midterm coming up. It's obvious to me that there are people who want to split us up and weaken us for the challenges ahead. I just wish others could see it.

As for Trump's "blackmail-ability", let's hope Mueller has his ear to the ground.

[Ohiogal]

52. I agree 100% Tarheel

[sheshe2]

55. +1000

[spartan61]

14. Clinton's affair was also consenual

and look at the huge brouhaha that caused. He was impeached because he lied. Looks like the orange S...hole can swear, lie, cheat, ignore the Constitution, etc. with no consequences.

[Tarheel_Dem]

16. Then investigate Trump like we investigated Clinton, but since we don't control a single branch of..

government, I don't see that happening. And I still fail to see how Gillibrand's calling for his resignation changes anything. If any action is taken, it will have to come from his own party.

[onenote]

19. Does that mean that you believe the repubs were right in going after Clinton

or that hypocrisy only bothers you when its the other side being hypocritical.

[karynnj]

30. He lied under oath -- Trump has not yet lied under oath, but as he always lies, he might lie about

something when he speaks to Mueller.

However, in Congress, it became clear that "high crimes and misdemeanors" is not defined, but whatever Congress deems it to be. It is fascinating to read the speeches of the Democratic Senators. Most follow the same format: A few paragraphs describing what they thought Clinton did wrong. This was then usually followed by describing some extenuating circumstances. They then described why this did not reach the level of "high crimes and misdemeanors". The reason they were fascinating is that all of them clearly put thought and effort into how they wanted to appear in the record. In some ways, the comments can be seen to reference the values of the individual Senators.

What might be interesting is that many concede that Clinton likely coached Betty Currie before she appeared, which would have been obstruction of justice IF it were hiding an illegal act. I would bet that if things move forward, the Trump advocates will look through those statements to argue that Democrats refused to throw Clinton out for that. Now, the obvious difference is that Trump is obstructing an investigation into a very serious crime that affects national security. In Trump's case, there is a REAL underlying crime. (Note that paying off a porn star - even if proven - is not something Trump can be impeached on - especially as it was before he was in office. It very well may be that it was designed to be a distraction from both the real Russian issue and the real racism issue.)

[Nevernose]

42. Bill Clinton did NOT lie under oath

That’s just not reality.

[karynnj]

43. That and obstruction of justice, coaching a witness are what he was accused of

The Senate, on are a party line vote, did NOT vote to remove him. As to if he lied, it depends on what the meaning of "is" is -- he tried to cleverly use language.

[Iwasthere]

57. Oh for Shits sake!

No comparison.

[karynnj]

59. Which is exactly what I wrote in the earlier post

[Nevernose]

61. Bullshit

And I say all of this as NOT a Clinton fan, either one.

The “is is” thing was a distraction and played zero part in the impeachment.

The perjury part was a lie. It was a lie no matter what the senate found or what you heard on TV. Perjury was, objectively speaking, a complete and total lie.

Both parties in the Jones civil case stipulated as to the definition of sex: vaginal intercourse and ONLY vaginal intercourse. That’s not what Bill and Monica did, so when he said “no” it was the truth. Ken Starr and the rest of them knew it was a lie.

Did Bill feel like he hit the lottery when he was asked that question, phrased that way?
Probably.
Did he lie when he answered it? Or perjur himself?
No. Absolutely not.

[Paladin]

11. So far, their silence is deafening.

I'd like to think they would both demand trump's resignation on Monday morning, but I'm not very optimistic about it.

[oberliner]

13. Gillibrand called on Trump to resign in December

Kirsten Gillibrand: Donald Trump should resign amid harassment claims

"I've heard these women's testimony, and many of them are heartbreaking," Gillibrand said on CNN's Amanpour. "And President Trump should resign his position

https://www.lohud.com/story/news/politics/politics-on-the-hudson/2017/12/11/kirsten-gillibrand-donald-trump-resign/108517802/

[Paladin]

15. She's not saying it often enough or loudly enough to suit me. (nt)

[Beaverhausen]

60. Why not ask your own senators to ask Trump to resign?

[TheCowsCameHome]

28. After she roasted Franken.

[Jarqui]

17. He won't resign if the pee pee tapes come out

(apparently/allegedly, there is more than one)

He's probably making another set in the White House

[Voltaire2]

18. At a moment when Republicans are in total disarray

the opportunity to turn this into a fight between Democrats presents itself.

[rzemanfl]

20. K&R n/t.

[Kaleva]

21. She already called for him to resign in December but you ignore that.

Your campaign to smear the reputation of Sen. Franken by trying to portray him as a helpless tool of Sen Gillbrand has not gone unnoticed.

[Chasstev365]

22. Excuse Me?

[theaocp]

24. You're being called a troll. n/t

[Kaleva]

26. Sen Frasnken has proven himself to be a fighter and an honorable person

There is nobody in the Senate who could have made Franken do something he didn't believe was right. To perpetuate the myth that he was forced out, is in my opinion, an effort to make him look like he is a much lesser person then he is.

I wish he would have stayed, and even have made a run for president, but he decided to resign and he being a whole lot smarter then many of us here put together, had very good reasons why he and only he, decided to do so.

[LisaL]

36. Most of his colleagues demanded he resigned.

He didn't just decide on his own.

[Chasstev365]

37. So why are the same fellow Democrats calling for Trump to resign NOW?

Do you get the point?

[Wwcd]

56. Don't forget to include the Independent, Bernie Sanders in you Party bashing .

Democrats & the Independent.
Say it.

[Cha]

62. ..

Wwcd

[standingtall]

39. He was forced out nothing mythical about it

When 30 plus Democrats demanded he resign before a hearing it was impossible for him to get a fair hearing and you can bet all 52 republicans would've agreed with those 30 plus Democrats. Sense 30 plus Democrats already decided he was guilty before a hearing there would've been enough for expulsion when factoring in republicans. Claiming he wasn't forced out just don't fit the reality of what happened.

[Kaleva]

40. So you are saying there is no difference between Repubs and Dems?

Your comment:

"When 30 plus Democrats demanded he resign before a hearing it was impossible for him to get a fair hearing...."

It's a given Repubs won't afford someone a fair hearing but you say Dems would behave the exact same way.

[standingtall]

41. No not saying their the same

but in that case they behaved in the same way as republicans. 30 plus Democrats were not going to walk back their demands for resignation because it would've made them look politically foolish. Would you want to face a jury in which you knew every one of the members publicly said you were guilty before the trial?

[LexVegas]

32. Need some aloe? nt

[GulfCoast66]

23. Nicely done!

[GulfCoast66]

25. Why dont you just let it go

We get that many people just have to find a Villain to blame for the resignation of someone they adored. Ultimately, Franken made his own decisions and is the only person responsible for his decision to resign.

How about we concentrate on fighting republicans rather than each other.

[stonecutter357]

35. Why dont you just let it go ?

[Funtatlaguy]

27. I understand the pain by many in our party over Franken.

Strong progressive who had a bright future.
Was what Franken did with women wrong. Of course, it was.
But, how wrong? To what degree?
It just seems like he got caught up in the Me Too movement as being the same as rapists, pedofiles, and molestors.
His behavior was crude, inappropriate, and deserved scorn.
Many believe that He should have been supported by his party in his hope to get a full and impartial ethics hearing before he was pressured into resigning.

[Duppers]

44. It was a SETUP.

There are dozens of threads discussing his innocence! Here is just one, including links to articles you should read:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029951355

https://www.mediaite.com/opinion/the-most-mind-blowing-aspects-of-al-frankens-demise/

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2017/11/sarah-huckabee-sanders-literally.html?m=1

[Funtatlaguy]

48. Yeah, I was aware of the Roger Stone influence.

Didn’t want to rehash in this thread.
Just wanted to point out that all abuse is not the same.
There is a scale.
Or at least, there should be.

[Cicada]

29. I think Stormy consented

[LexVegas]

31. ...

[left-of-center2012]

33. Amen

[McCamy Taylor]

34. Divide and conquer is the GOP's number one political tool.

[Kirk Lover]

38. I don't understand how people are purposefully divisive on this board...I can understand

if you want to stir up shit elsewhere....but here...NO. Thread;trashed.

[MoonRiver]

45. Do pigs fly yet?

[L. Coyote]

46. Make that Ryan and McConnell and you don't have a false equivalency.

[ProudLib72]

54. Screw that! Ryan and McConnell gave themselves a tax break

so they could each afford $130K porn stars. But McConnell is having difficulty finding a porn star who is suitably turtlesque.

[sarcasmo]

47. That trick only works on Al Franken.

[Blue_true]

49. Gillibrand has already called on him to resign.

What do you expect her to do, go around cackling it like a chicken?

[Demsrule86]

50. Let it go.

[Lunabell]

51. Quit trying to stir the pot

Franken made his decision. Either support Dems or change your registration.

[Beaverhausen]

53. Was Franken accused of consensual sex?

[mythology]

58. Hopefully this helps you understand what consent is