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So have Sen Gillibrand and Schumer called on Trump to resign over the porn star allegation? (Original Post) Chasstev365 Jan 2018 OP
Exactly! (n/t) PJMcK Jan 2018 #1
Bam.. Mike Nelson Jan 2018 #2
And the Shithead comment as well? n2doc Jan 2018 #3
Funny, I haven't heard a thing.(...She says while dialing Schumer on her speed dial to complain Squinch Jan 2018 #4
No, he's a republican, TheCowsCameHome Jan 2018 #5
The Evangelical poster boy SayItLoud Jan 2018 #6
Gillibrand called on Trump to resign in December oberliner Jan 2018 #7
No one despises Trump more than I do... louis c Jan 2018 #8
How is this, in any conceivable way, relative to Al Franken's situation? And why would anyone call.. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2018 #9
So you're OK with a blackmailable president? hatrack Jan 2018 #10
No, I am not. I'm just sick of Gillibrand being dumped on. She has worked tirelessly on sexual... Tarheel_Dem Jan 2018 #12
I agree 100% Tarheel Ohiogal Jan 2018 #52
+1000 sheshe2 Jan 2018 #55
Clinton's affair was also consenual spartan61 Jan 2018 #14
Then investigate Trump like we investigated Clinton, but since we don't control a single branch of.. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2018 #16
Does that mean that you believe the repubs were right in going after Clinton onenote Jan 2018 #19
He lied under oath -- Trump has not yet lied under oath, but as he always lies, he might lie about karynnj Jan 2018 #30
Bill Clinton did NOT lie under oath Nevernose Jan 2018 #42
That and obstruction of justice, coaching a witness are what he was accused of karynnj Jan 2018 #43
Oh for Shits sake! Iwasthere Jan 2018 #57
Which is exactly what I wrote in the earlier post karynnj Jan 2018 #59
Bullshit Nevernose Jan 2018 #61
So far, their silence is deafening. Paladin Jan 2018 #11
Gillibrand called on Trump to resign in December oberliner Jan 2018 #13
She's not saying it often enough or loudly enough to suit me. (nt) Paladin Jan 2018 #15
Why not ask your own senators to ask Trump to resign? Beaverhausen Jan 2018 #60
After she roasted Franken. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2018 #28
He won't resign if the pee pee tapes come out Jarqui Jan 2018 #17
At a moment when Republicans are in total disarray Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #18
K&R n/t. rzemanfl Jan 2018 #20
She already called for him to resign in December but you ignore that. Kaleva Jan 2018 #21
Excuse Me? Chasstev365 Jan 2018 #22
You're being called a troll. n/t theaocp Jan 2018 #24
Sen Frasnken has proven himself to be a fighter and an honorable person Kaleva Jan 2018 #26
Most of his colleagues demanded he resigned. LisaL Jan 2018 #36
So why are the same fellow Democrats calling for Trump to resign NOW? Chasstev365 Jan 2018 #37
Don't forget to include the Independent, Bernie Sanders in you Party bashing . Wwcd Jan 2018 #56
.. Cha Jan 2018 #62
He was forced out nothing mythical about it standingtall Jan 2018 #39
So you are saying there is no difference between Repubs and Dems? Kaleva Jan 2018 #40
No not saying their the same standingtall Jan 2018 #41
Need some aloe? nt LexVegas Jan 2018 #32
Nicely done! GulfCoast66 Jan 2018 #23
Why dont you just let it go GulfCoast66 Jan 2018 #25
Why dont you just let it go ? stonecutter357 Jan 2018 #35
I understand the pain by many in our party over Franken. Funtatlaguy Jan 2018 #27
It was a SETUP. Duppers Jan 2018 #44
Yeah, I was aware of the Roger Stone influence. Funtatlaguy Jan 2018 #48
I think Stormy consented Cicada Jan 2018 #29
... LexVegas Jan 2018 #31
Amen left-of-center2012 Jan 2018 #33
Divide and conquer is the GOP's number one political tool. McCamy Taylor Jan 2018 #34
I don't understand how people are purposefully divisive on this board...I can understand Kirk Lover Jan 2018 #38
Do pigs fly yet? MoonRiver Jan 2018 #45
Make that Ryan and McConnell and you don't have a false equivalency. L. Coyote Jan 2018 #46
Screw that! Ryan and McConnell gave themselves a tax break ProudLib72 Jan 2018 #54
That trick only works on Al Franken. sarcasmo Jan 2018 #47
Gillibrand has already called on him to resign. Blue_true Jan 2018 #49
Let it go. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #50
Quit trying to stir the pot Lunabell Jan 2018 #51
Was Franken accused of consensual sex? Beaverhausen Jan 2018 #53
Hopefully this helps you understand what consent is mythology Jan 2018 #58

Squinch

(51,244 posts)
4. Funny, I haven't heard a thing.(...She says while dialing Schumer on her speed dial to complain
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 09:53 AM
Jan 2018

AGAIN about their silence.)

SayItLoud

(1,707 posts)
6. The Evangelical poster boy
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:00 AM
Jan 2018

Just after sacred marriage to his own immigrant who entered the country illegally he violated the laws of God with adultery. Evangels....crickets, but their defense will come.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
7. Gillibrand called on Trump to resign in December
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:04 AM
Jan 2018
Kirsten Gillibrand: Donald Trump should resign amid harassment claims

"I've heard these women's testimony, and many of them are heartbreaking," Gillibrand said on CNN's Amanpour. "And President Trump should resign his position."

https://www.lohud.com/story/news/politics/politics-on-the-hudson/2017/12/11/kirsten-gillibrand-donald-trump-resign/108517802/
 

louis c

(8,652 posts)
8. No one despises Trump more than I do...
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:05 AM
Jan 2018

...but even in the worst case scenario, this is consensual sex.

The person Trump wants to keep in the dark about his extra marital encounter is Melania.

The only way this is a crime is if the pay off was campaign money. That's what to check.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,302 posts)
9. How is this, in any conceivable way, relative to Al Franken's situation? And why would anyone call..
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:05 AM
Jan 2018

for Dump's resignation for a consensual extramarital affair? AFAIK, the actress hasn't accused him of unwanted sexual advances. This is apples and oranges, and frankly it's disruptive to keep dragging Gillibrand through the mud when we have crucial midterms to think about.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,302 posts)
12. No, I am not. I'm just sick of Gillibrand being dumped on. She has worked tirelessly on sexual...
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:15 AM
Jan 2018

assault in the military. I understand why she felt the need to speak up. Franken could have stayed, but he would have had a huge millstone around his neck and a big question mark, which would have made him frightfully ineffective. I wish the Ethics committee would have carried out the investigation and had the hearings as he requested, but that didn't happen. We have a Dem senator replacing him, and we have a very important midterm coming up. It's obvious to me that there are people who want to split us up and weaken us for the challenges ahead. I just wish others could see it.

As for Trump's "blackmail-ability", let's hope Mueller has his ear to the ground.

spartan61

(2,091 posts)
14. Clinton's affair was also consenual
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:16 AM
Jan 2018

and look at the huge brouhaha that caused. He was impeached because he lied. Looks like the orange S...hole can swear, lie, cheat, ignore the Constitution, etc. with no consequences.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,302 posts)
16. Then investigate Trump like we investigated Clinton, but since we don't control a single branch of..
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:21 AM
Jan 2018

government, I don't see that happening. And I still fail to see how Gillibrand's calling for his resignation changes anything. If any action is taken, it will have to come from his own party.

onenote

(43,321 posts)
19. Does that mean that you believe the repubs were right in going after Clinton
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:33 AM
Jan 2018

or that hypocrisy only bothers you when its the other side being hypocritical.

karynnj

(59,558 posts)
30. He lied under oath -- Trump has not yet lied under oath, but as he always lies, he might lie about
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 11:53 AM
Jan 2018

something when he speaks to Mueller.

However, in Congress, it became clear that "high crimes and misdemeanors" is not defined, but whatever Congress deems it to be. It is fascinating to read the speeches of the Democratic Senators. Most follow the same format: A few paragraphs describing what they thought Clinton did wrong. This was then usually followed by describing some extenuating circumstances. They then described why this did not reach the level of "high crimes and misdemeanors". The reason they were fascinating is that all of them clearly put thought and effort into how they wanted to appear in the record. In some ways, the comments can be seen to reference the values of the individual Senators.

What might be interesting is that many concede that Clinton likely coached Betty Currie before she appeared, which would have been obstruction of justice IF it were hiding an illegal act. I would bet that if things move forward, the Trump advocates will look through those statements to argue that Democrats refused to throw Clinton out for that. Now, the obvious difference is that Trump is obstructing an investigation into a very serious crime that affects national security. In Trump's case, there is a REAL underlying crime. (Note that paying off a porn star - even if proven - is not something Trump can be impeached on - especially as it was before he was in office. It very well may be that it was designed to be a distraction from both the real Russian issue and the real racism issue.)

karynnj

(59,558 posts)
43. That and obstruction of justice, coaching a witness are what he was accused of
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 02:29 PM
Jan 2018

The Senate, on are a party line vote, did NOT vote to remove him. As to if he lied, it depends on what the meaning of "is" is -- he tried to cleverly use language.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
61. Bullshit
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 08:13 PM
Jan 2018

And I say all of this as NOT a Clinton fan, either one.

The “is is” thing was a distraction and played zero part in the impeachment.

The perjury part was a lie. It was a lie no matter what the senate found or what you heard on TV. Perjury was, objectively speaking, a complete and total lie.

Both parties in the Jones civil case stipulated as to the definition of sex: vaginal intercourse and ONLY vaginal intercourse. That’s not what Bill and Monica did, so when he said “no” it was the truth. Ken Starr and the rest of them knew it was a lie.

Did Bill feel like he hit the lottery when he was asked that question, phrased that way?
Probably.
Did he lie when he answered it? Or perjur himself?
No. Absolutely not.

Paladin

(28,420 posts)
11. So far, their silence is deafening.
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:10 AM
Jan 2018

I'd like to think they would both demand trump's resignation on Monday morning, but I'm not very optimistic about it.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
13. Gillibrand called on Trump to resign in December
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:15 AM
Jan 2018
Kirsten Gillibrand: Donald Trump should resign amid harassment claims

"I've heard these women's testimony, and many of them are heartbreaking," Gillibrand said on CNN's Amanpour. "And President Trump should resign his position

https://www.lohud.com/story/news/politics/politics-on-the-hudson/2017/12/11/kirsten-gillibrand-donald-trump-resign/108517802/

Jarqui

(10,151 posts)
17. He won't resign if the pee pee tapes come out
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:29 AM
Jan 2018

(apparently/allegedly, there is more than one)

He's probably making another set in the White House

Voltaire2

(13,744 posts)
18. At a moment when Republicans are in total disarray
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:30 AM
Jan 2018

the opportunity to turn this into a fight between Democrats presents itself.

Kaleva

(36,626 posts)
21. She already called for him to resign in December but you ignore that.
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:58 AM
Jan 2018

Your campaign to smear the reputation of Sen. Franken by trying to portray him as a helpless tool of Sen Gillbrand has not gone unnoticed.

Kaleva

(36,626 posts)
26. Sen Frasnken has proven himself to be a fighter and an honorable person
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 11:06 AM
Jan 2018

There is nobody in the Senate who could have made Franken do something he didn't believe was right. To perpetuate the myth that he was forced out, is in my opinion, an effort to make him look like he is a much lesser person then he is.

I wish he would have stayed, and even have made a run for president, but he decided to resign and he being a whole lot smarter then many of us here put together, had very good reasons why he and only he, decided to do so.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
56. Don't forget to include the Independent, Bernie Sanders in you Party bashing .
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 05:52 PM
Jan 2018

Democrats & the Independent.
Say it.

standingtall

(2,792 posts)
39. He was forced out nothing mythical about it
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 01:43 PM
Jan 2018

When 30 plus Democrats demanded he resign before a hearing it was impossible for him to get a fair hearing and you can bet all 52 republicans would've agreed with those 30 plus Democrats. Sense 30 plus Democrats already decided he was guilty before a hearing there would've been enough for expulsion when factoring in republicans. Claiming he wasn't forced out just don't fit the reality of what happened.

Kaleva

(36,626 posts)
40. So you are saying there is no difference between Repubs and Dems?
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 01:57 PM
Jan 2018

Your comment:

"When 30 plus Democrats demanded he resign before a hearing it was impossible for him to get a fair hearing...."

It's a given Repubs won't afford someone a fair hearing but you say Dems would behave the exact same way.



standingtall

(2,792 posts)
41. No not saying their the same
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 02:02 PM
Jan 2018

but in that case they behaved in the same way as republicans. 30 plus Democrats were not going to walk back their demands for resignation because it would've made them look politically foolish. Would you want to face a jury in which you knew every one of the members publicly said you were guilty before the trial?

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
25. Why dont you just let it go
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 11:06 AM
Jan 2018

We get that many people just have to find a Villain to blame for the resignation of someone they adored. Ultimately, Franken made his own decisions and is the only person responsible for his decision to resign.

How about we concentrate on fighting republicans rather than each other.

Funtatlaguy

(10,972 posts)
27. I understand the pain by many in our party over Franken.
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 11:23 AM
Jan 2018

Strong progressive who had a bright future.
Was what Franken did with women wrong. Of course, it was.
But, how wrong? To what degree?
It just seems like he got caught up in the Me Too movement as being the same as rapists, pedofiles, and molestors.
His behavior was crude, inappropriate, and deserved scorn.
Many believe that He should have been supported by his party in his hope to get a full and impartial ethics hearing before he was pressured into resigning.

Funtatlaguy

(10,972 posts)
48. Yeah, I was aware of the Roger Stone influence.
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 05:17 PM
Jan 2018

Didn’t want to rehash in this thread.
Just wanted to point out that all abuse is not the same.
There is a scale.
Or at least, there should be.

 

Kirk Lover

(3,608 posts)
38. I don't understand how people are purposefully divisive on this board...I can understand
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 12:46 PM
Jan 2018

if you want to stir up shit elsewhere....but here...NO. Thread;trashed.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
54. Screw that! Ryan and McConnell gave themselves a tax break
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 05:34 PM
Jan 2018

so they could each afford $130K porn stars. But McConnell is having difficulty finding a porn star who is suitably turtlesque.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
49. Gillibrand has already called on him to resign.
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 05:20 PM
Jan 2018

What do you expect her to do, go around cackling it like a chicken?

Lunabell

(6,279 posts)
51. Quit trying to stir the pot
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 05:25 PM
Jan 2018

Franken made his decision. Either support Dems or change your registration.

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