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Ccarmona

(1,180 posts)
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 10:33 PM Jan 2018

Rachel Just Laid Out a Devestating, Depressing Picture of How the Repugs Are Supressing

The Mueller, the FBI, The Justice Dept, and Congress’s Investigation into Trump/Russia. They are all have either capitulated or were on board. Even the FBI is succumbing and allowing previously top secret documents and Agents to be reviewed and interviewed by Congressional Repugs in an apparent successful effort to slow down and even stop the Investigations.
It is the end of our Republic if we allow them to get away with it.

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Rachel Just Laid Out a Devestating, Depressing Picture of How the Repugs Are Supressing (Original Post) Ccarmona Jan 2018 OP
K&R n/t. rzemanfl Jan 2018 #1
It was depressing to hear. SharonClark Jan 2018 #2
Me too. wondering if part of their strategy is to make us all anxious and scared. Amaryllis Jan 2018 #4
That is, and has been, Putin's strategy in Russia and in other countries. CottonBear Jan 2018 #15
Agreed. We must rise up, resist Shanti Mama Jan 2018 #3
How? Amaryllis Jan 2018 #5
I'm not sure. Shanti Mama Jan 2018 #6
Good question! Our Dem leaders are so focused on strategic thinking for the mid-terms OhioBlue Jan 2018 #8
Our Dem leaders hold several major face cards and Hortensis Jan 2018 #25
Indictments Horizens Jan 2018 #7
Yes, 'if we allow them to get away with it.' elleng Jan 2018 #9
Trump and the Republicans are a DANGER to this country..... ProudMNDemocrat Jan 2018 #10
Only if Mueller is fired, if he's kept then it only slows things down a bit uponit7771 Jan 2018 #11
Maybe the 2nd Amendment people helmedon1974 Jan 2018 #12
Are you advocating violence as a response? bench scientist Jan 2018 #13
'They' absolutely can ... in fact it's ludicrous to argue 'they' cannot ... mr_lebowski Jan 2018 #16
Uh? Kidding? Duppers Jan 2018 #18
Just remember there is nothing more scary than a smart, experienced federal prosecutor. Pepsidog Jan 2018 #14
Did you listen to Rachel? Duppers Jan 2018 #19
I dont have the stomach to watch Rachel especially if she saying it will get swept Pepsidog Jan 2018 #20
Republicans, compliant FBI make progress undermining Russia probe Duppers Jan 2018 #21
I have seen Republicans pull rabbits out of a hat on legislation that Pepsidog Jan 2018 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author Duppers Jan 2018 #29
But WHY is the FBI rolling over? MadLinguist Jan 2018 #17
Congress has oversight of the executive branch, like it or not DeminPennswoods Jan 2018 #22
They are meeting at Camp David to decide how to launch the final mfcorey1 Jan 2018 #23
We have to channel the fear, depression, and ANGER into pnwmom Jan 2018 #24
It really is turning into a coup. Kablooie Jan 2018 #26
Having just listened to the podcast, I'm even more concerned than I was about that thin OnDoutside Jan 2018 #27

CottonBear

(21,602 posts)
15. That is, and has been, Putin's strategy in Russia and in other countries.
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 01:36 AM
Jan 2018

Putin works to create huge numbers of anxious and scared people who are deluged and confused by constant, and seemingly contradictory, propaganda and fake news.

OhioBlue

(5,126 posts)
8. Good question! Our Dem leaders are so focused on strategic thinking for the mid-terms
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 11:00 PM
Jan 2018

I'm worried about a tepid, calculated response. What do you do when you're holding a full house but you're opponent has 10 times more chips?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
25. Our Dem leaders hold several major face cards and
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 06:20 AM
Jan 2018

play them as appropriate.

We have the rule of law on our side. We have the Constitution on our side. We have the dismay and worry of Americans who are witnesses to this destructive, unethical, even criminal administration and congress on our side.

And, true, Republicans are breaking the law and smashing ethical standards that have been built over 200 years, but they're getting away with it the same way bank robbers get away with it--until apprehended, when the wheels of justice start grinding and they lose not just the booty and their freedom but their ability to get a job, their families and their positions in society.

We mostly have the press. Yes, all major media have been infiltrated by agents of the dark side, and this was a huge factor in 2016, but for all that, investigative journalism has never been more active than now and it's investigating and reporting on Republican crime and betrayals of trust. They are turning up and reporting to the public so much evidence of crimes, even possible treason at the highest levels, that our legal system could not ignore it, even if action is delayed.

Also, in spite of what the ignorant, defeatist noise from some here might suggest, many millions of other Democrats across the nation are angry and worried at what's happening, but they're angry at the Republicans. Being on the side of right and of the traditional American ways everyone left and right really want to continue is big. We have it and the Republicans don't.

 

Horizens

(637 posts)
7. Indictments
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 10:56 PM
Jan 2018

Every day that passes without more indictments worries me. Indictments. I think (hope) are the only thing that will stop "them" from getting away with everything.

ProudMNDemocrat

(17,284 posts)
10. Trump and the Republicans are a DANGER to this country.....
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 11:21 PM
Jan 2018


As they do their damndest to protect this CRIMINAL president and destroy this country. We must not let them.

Get active people. Vote.
 

helmedon1974

(92 posts)
12. Maybe the 2nd Amendment people
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 11:55 PM
Jan 2018

Should say something..... won't be long until they "really" come for our guns. Can't sustain tyranny with an armed population.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
16. 'They' absolutely can ... in fact it's ludicrous to argue 'they' cannot ...
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 01:48 AM
Jan 2018

Your friggin' pea-shooters don't mean jack shit vs a force like the US military and police establishment.

The only way any other 'force' stands a chance is if they're supremely organized and trained to 'fight back'.

The closest, in recent memory, of such a 'force' would be Clive Bundy's yahoo's in NV. You care to argue that Obama could not have flicked his pen and eradicated every last prick involved in that little 'insurrection' in about 30 seconds ... if he had the mind and will ... to do so?

I didn't think so.

An 'armed population' doesn't mean JACK SHIT unless there's 'constraints' and 'norms' being applied that 'leaders' feel they need to respond to, or otherwise worry about.

The 'guns' of the 'opposition' aren't even a friggin' consideration in any of that.

Fantasizing about the 'power' of an 'armed populace' is fun and all ... but it's a masturbatory exercise. It's the difference between being able to kill maybe 2% of your 'oppresors' ... vs 0% of them.

And yer gunz will play 0% role in 'victory' vs 'loss'. You spent a bunch of money building your little 'arsenal' (NRA and friends got your money ... YAY!) cause you felt powerless and wanted to create the illusion that you actually had some ... then they just basically waltz in and kill you, and take your guns.

End result: all you did was arm THEM. How stupid do you have to be to not see this?

Get real.

This isn't the year 1503 or some shit, man.

Duppers

(28,157 posts)
18. Uh? Kidding?
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 04:40 AM
Jan 2018

You're sounding like one of them. Unless you plan to have the same big militarized weapons, you're being as delusional as the wingers are now.
Private citizens cannot fight with our military.

Sorry...

Pepsidog

(6,258 posts)
14. Just remember there is nothing more scary than a smart, experienced federal prosecutor.
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 01:22 AM
Jan 2018

If you feel bad just think how the Trumpanzees feel. I am sure they are terrified. Mueller and his team are a scary smart team who will not be beat by the likes of Trump and his light weight lawyers. Trust me, Mueller and team will grind these treasonous bastards up and spit them out. And the momentum and the mood of the country is with him and people are tired of thinkinag about Trump everyday. After 8 years of Bush I was exhausted but 8 years of Obama were glorious. I didn’t have to watch Rachel I slept well at night and people want that reassurance again. Republicans will get crushed in 2018 if Mueller somehow falters. But rest easy, Mueller has everything in hand.

Duppers

(28,157 posts)
19. Did you listen to Rachel?
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 04:52 AM
Jan 2018

The FBI is rolling over, the Dept of Justice is being compromised. See post #17.

We cannot wait for the mid-terms and Mueller cannot wait much longer now.

Pepsidog

(6,258 posts)
20. I dont have the stomach to watch Rachel especially if she saying it will get swept
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 05:02 AM
Jan 2018

under the rug. Let’s hope it is a call to arms. I saw Jim Jordan on Katy Tur’s show and Chuck Todd’s and wanted to vomit. Traitorous bastard. I should say I saw a clip on another site.

Duppers

(28,157 posts)
21. Republicans, compliant FBI make progress undermining Russia probe
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 05:11 AM
Jan 2018

Rachel is being realistic. We cannot afford not to be. You tell us to have faith, be optimistic, that things will be fine and I want to believe you but there are these facts...

Take some stomach meds and watch...

"Republicans, compliant FBI make progress undermining Russia probe"

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/republicans-compliant-fbi-make-progress-undermining-russia-probe-1130714179777


Pepsidog

(6,258 posts)
28. I have seen Republicans pull rabbits out of a hat on legislation that
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 02:37 PM
Jan 2018

appeared DOA. I have 4 adult children who during the Bush years I tried to educate regarding the difference between the parties. I made them watch Keith Olberhman’s special comments which a source of great joy during those dark days. 2 of my kids are now in college and one is a Trump supporter. He is senior and he is immature and Trumps pseudo bravdo appeals to him. I try to rationally explain the state of the county and he just thinks I’m a lefty. That’s what I get for sending him to private schools where the demographics are upper class kids. I had a blow out fight with my oldest son who is in medical school when I told him the Republicans are going after entitlements. He is a Dem but even he thinks I overreact. I’m like kid I have seen Republicans do some serious shit when everyone thought it was impossible. My point was tha Ryan wants entitlement reform and if we’re up to him he would eliminate entitlements. Anyway, my pint is that Republicans are tenacious SOBs and won’t stop until we stop them. Moreover, I suspect when he becomes a physician he was turn to R’s as many docs in my area of NJ are R’s due to taxes and tort reform. So when I say I don’t have the stomach it’s because I know what they can achieve. But it doesn’t mean I wint right them tooth and nail.

Response to Pepsidog (Reply #28)

MadLinguist

(802 posts)
17. But WHY is the FBI rolling over?
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 02:29 AM
Jan 2018

We can ascribe pretty plausible motives for GOP congress people and Senators doing the dirty work of undermining the Russian investigation, such as kompromat delivered either by the RNC being hacked by the Russians, or by the Russians delivering election help to various down-ballot GOP 'elected' officials. Mere party loyalty and garden variety GOP shit-heeledness just doesn't provide enough explanatory power. But kompromat lays down the general choreography. So, these guys with their pants around their ankles are hobbling around trying to stop the investigations for ugly self interested reasons. Horrible, disgusting but okay, this is predictable and understandable. If the legal branch of the government were functional, this predictable, understandable crap would also be prosecutable.
The behavior of the Department of Justice and down into the FBI ranks, is a different matter. What, institutionally, is rattling these people? There has to be somebody or somebodies inside there with some serious threatening power to make this happen. Sessions? maybe. But he is recused, and to have such long reach, he'd need to have been institutionally powerful for longer than his year long shaky-ass perch at the top of the DOJ. If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say that rotten-ass cabal ruled by Rudolph Giuliani in the New York chapter of the FBI is cranking cogs that dole out reprisals, threats and promises of rewards to effect an end to actual investigation or law-breaking and enforcement of the law.
Individual federal workers inside those corridors who understand the situation, whatever the hell it may be, must be thinking of how much they value the institution that is betraying them versus the risk to their own personal lives, careers, reputations etc. they would be taking if they either face down the cabal or break the corridor walls by going to the media.

DeminPennswoods

(15,354 posts)
22. Congress has oversight of the executive branch, like it or not
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 05:26 AM
Jan 2018

Individuals and congressional committees are allowed to ask for/demand information from other federal agencies.

This is all about Devin Nunes, though. He's a toady for Trump and wants the info to share with Trump et al. Once he does that, he now becomes part of the conspiracy to obstruct justice. It's still a crime to interfere with a federal law enforcement investigation. Nunes is too stupid to realize he's about to hoist himself by his own petard.

Also, remember that Mueller is working with state atty generals and that Flynn's plea agreement requires him to work with state/local prosecutors, not just Mueller. If Mueller were to be fired, don't you think Schneiderman and other AGs where Trump and co have potentially committed crimes would snap Mueller and his investigators up in a heartbeat? Once the state/local authorities get hold of the investigation, there will be nothing Trump can do about stopping it.

Last, it's been reported that House Intel Cmte Dems are considering writing a report detailing all the ways the Rs have tried to block or derail the Russian investigation. They will all be exposed.

mfcorey1

(11,012 posts)
23. They are meeting at Camp David to decide how to launch the final
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 05:51 AM
Jan 2018

destruction of the American Government as we have known it.

pnwmom

(109,068 posts)
24. We have to channel the fear, depression, and ANGER into
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 05:52 AM
Jan 2018

working for an OVERWHELMING vote in November. A tsunami of progressive voting.

WE CAN'T GIVE UP.

OUR CHILDREN DESERVE OUR BEST EFFORTS ON THIS.

Kablooie

(18,674 posts)
26. It really is turning into a coup.
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 08:22 AM
Jan 2018

And I fear they may succeed.
Even Mueller can only recommend action.
He can't actually do anything.
It is crystal clear that it's wrong, criminal, evil and will destroy America as we know it but no one seems to be able to do anything to stop them.
What happened to us?

OnDoutside

(20,006 posts)
27. Having just listened to the podcast, I'm even more concerned than I was about that thin
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 11:07 AM
Jan 2018

thread that American democracy is hanging from. Where are the Republican Patriots ? Surely they can't all be so blinded by hate and corruption ?

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