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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRachel: Bad News
Rachel suggesting Sessions is about to get fired (hence not being invited to Camp David), and Scott Pruitt is eager to take the position, which means he will fire Mueller.
madaboutharry
(40,220 posts)There will be mass demonstrations, democratic officials and some republicans will join in, the government will be paralyzed. It will not stand. Let them try.
rzemanfl
(29,568 posts)Kirk Lover
(3,608 posts)OliverQ
(3,363 posts)People should be marching now, not waiting for catastrophe. The criminals are those with all the power. Hard to beat that.
politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)100,000 FBI agents. I can't understand why any would remain under these conditions. They have more power as a group. It's not like the government could replace them overnight, or even within a year for that matter. Would everything they do just come to a stop. How about the Secret Service. Would they not back up the FBI and walk out too? After all, is Dotard the one they had in mind when they thought someday they might have to take a bullet for? I had a girl on my block I grew up with in my neighborhood, who joined the FBI. There is a lot of training they go through. They all would have to know that tomorrow it could be them. Besides doesn't that Fidelity, Bravery, Integrity still mean something? Anything? Anybody?
OnDoutside
(19,970 posts)Maeve
(42,288 posts)Second, they take their resposibilities very seriously and their commitment to the country is greater than their politics--to walk out would be to turn their backs on their mission in life. The same could be said of the military. Most also believe the system of checks and balances will swing in democracy's favor eventually and until then, their job is to maintain what they can.
politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)of them and the GOP is trying to destroy him. Same thing for Comey even though there was the Guiliani faction in the New York, New Jersey area that wanted to see Hillary brought down. They have to see that that could very easily be them if Trump isn't checked since no one in the GOP Congress has the balls to stand up to him. Left unchecked, and with the Dems having such a high hurdle to meet to take back the House and the Senate, there's no telling the damage Trump and Nunez can do with complete control of the Congress and the Courts, in the mean time.
benld74
(9,909 posts)And only 5 days into 2018
FM123
(10,054 posts)Initech
(100,102 posts)womanofthehills
(8,761 posts)Colorado Senator Cory Gardner threatens to stall all DOJ nominees if Sessions does this.
we can do it
(12,193 posts)States are not going to fold on it. Too much money to be made and too popular.
underpants
(182,879 posts)He has a great team there and they already have most of the information they need.
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)No Special Counsel means no Special Counsel team or staff.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)states attorneys so it would be continued at the state level if anybody tried to shut him down.
riversedge
(70,299 posts)Maeve
(42,288 posts)That is a NY state office, not the folks who are getting replaced. The new folk replace the 48 that got fired all at once last year, but Schneiderman in the one who can bring state charges against crimes in NY.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)TomSlick
(11,109 posts)I think not inviting Beauregard to the big party is just the Orange One's way to make it clear he's still pissed.
tblue37
(65,488 posts)wants them to know he is mad at them. He walks past them with his nose in the air and pretends he doesn't know they exist.
If Sessions were ditched, Trump couldn't enjoy punishing him the way he does now. I think he needs someone to abuse, and Sessions fits the bill so well.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)and Thanksgiving. And last summer.
One of these times it will happen.
But no reason to think its that time.
Skittles
(153,193 posts)Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)Good thing Al Franken will be there to..., oh wait. Never mind...
Thanks Schumer and Gillibrand!
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)and thus already went through Senate confirmation. I think he can just be moved.
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)if he does a straight forward nomination. I think he may not get 50 votes. Only one Republican would have to bolt.
Takket
(21,625 posts)tableturner
(1,684 posts)In other words, he could move an existing cabinet officer to the Department of Justice without further hearings, instantly making that person the Attorney General.
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)One makes the vote 50-50. VP pence would then break the tie.
You would be correct if one Repuke Senator bolts and McCain is still absent. Then 50-49 against will sink Pruitt.
VOX
(22,976 posts)Because when he does, we will hit the streets. We will go to our congressional offices like we did with the ACA euthanasia-attempt. No more silence.
We. Will. RAGE.
superpatriotman
(6,252 posts)That's how they do.
VOX
(22,976 posts)We have to get in their faces. No one else is going to. At least let them know that Democrats/progressives will not take this fascist shit lying down.
superpatriotman
(6,252 posts)And encourage it.
However, I must confess some ever-growing dismay at the seeming absence of our elected officials in the fray.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)to you and your username, your comment doesn't make you sound like any kind of patriot.
superpatriotman
(6,252 posts)Realism makes life easier to understand.
BigmanPigman
(51,627 posts)we were put on alert that Mueller could be fired over the holidays. If anyone fires him we will be on it within hours...the signs, places, planning are all in place for us!
rzemanfl
(29,568 posts)sarah FAILIN
(2,857 posts)The cold keeps me inside as much as possible. Ice and snow for people up north would not go well with a protest.
BigmanPigman
(51,627 posts)be in place first before they can fire anyone. The meteorologists said that warmer weather is coming to the East Coast after the weekend so that would be good timing. Pussy hat's are nice and warm!
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Sessions just has to ride out another year and then he will start lining up hid campaign for the senate. He has huge pull in Alabama.
avebury
(10,952 posts)all of the things that the Republicans are doing to totally tank the investigation against Trump et al. It is so depressing. Republicans are a clear and present danger to this countr and there just doesn't seem to be anyway to do anything about it.
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)And why is the FBI investigating Hillary again? Emails, the Foundation, and Uranium One? But not investigating Republicans or Trump? My level of disgust and fear just continues to rise.
Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)To the resistance and existence of America.
Republicans are going to any lengths to protect their own treasonous, guilty, wretched flesh.
It has nothing to do with the Cretins incompetence or insanity because he is their PERFECT tool...but it is about doing everything to protect Republican power and corruption.
We dont and never have mattered.
Time for not just resistance.
REVOLT.
Takket
(21,625 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)kentuck
(111,110 posts)If Trump fired Sessions and appointed Pruitt?
That would be bad news.
tableturner
(1,684 posts)In other words, he could move an existing cabinet officer to the Department of Justice without further hearings, instantly making that person the Attorney General.
Fire Sessions > Appoint Pruitt > Fire Mueller
ProfessorGAC
(65,168 posts)That just doesn't seem consistent with checks and balances, or consent
DURHAM D
(32,611 posts)She does not know that Senator McCain turned the Steele dossier over to the FBI. She just said "when Steele turned over his dossier to the FBI..."
If she corrects it let me know.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)She is correct. I follow the dossier very closely. Steele gave up on the FBI and started speaking to reporters, this was months before McCain got his hands on it and spoke to Sir Andrew Wood.
DURHAM D
(32,611 posts)JonLP24
(29,322 posts)On Friday, FBI Director James Comey set off a political blast when he informed congressional leaders that the bureau had stumbled across emails that might be pertinent to its completed inquiry into Hillary Clintons handling of emails when she was secretary of state. The Clinton campaign and others criticized Comey for intervening in a presidential campaign by breaking with Justice Department tradition and revealing information about an investigationinformation that was vague and perhaps ultimately irrelevantso close to Election Day. On Sunday, Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid upped the ante. He sent Comey a fiery letter saying the FBI chief may have broken the law and pointed to a potentially greater controversy: In my communications with you and other top officials in the national security community, it has become clear that you possess explosive information about close ties and coordination between Donald Trump, his top advisors, and the Russian government
The public has a right to know this information.
Reids missive set off a burst of speculation on Twitter and elsewhere. What was he referring to regarding the Republican presidential nominee? At the end of August, Reid had written to Comey and demanded an investigation of the connections between the Russian government and Donald Trumps presidential campaign, and in that letter he indirectly referred to Carter Page, an American businessman cited by Trump as one of his foreign policy advisers, who had financial ties to Russia and had recently visited Moscow. Last month, Yahoo News reported that US intelligence officials were probing the links between Page and senior Russian officials. (Page has called accusations against him garbage.) On Monday, NBC News reported that the FBI has mounted a preliminary inquiry into the foreign business ties of Paul Manafort, Trumps former campaign chief. But Reids recent note hinted at more than the Page or Manafort affairs. And a former senior intelligence officer for a Western country who specialized in Russian counterintelligence tells Mother Jones that in recent months he provided the bureau with memos, based on his recent interactions with Russian sources, contending the Russian government has for years tried to co-opt and assist Trumpand that the FBI requested more information from him.
Does this mean the FBI is investigating whether Russian intelligence has attempted to develop a secret relationship with Trump or cultivate him as an asset? Was the former intelligence officer and his material deemed credible or not? An FBI spokeswoman says, Normally, we dont talk about whether we are investigating anything. But a senior US government official not involved in this case but familiar with the former spy tells Mother Jones that he has been a credible source with a proven record of providing reliable, sensitive, and important information to the US government.
In June, the former Western intelligence officerwho spent almost two decades on Russian intelligence matters and who now works with a US firm that gathers information on Russia for corporate clientswas assigned the task of researching Trumps dealings in Russia and elsewhere, according to the former spy and his associates in this American firm. This was for an opposition research project originally financed by a Republican client critical of the celebrity mogul. (Before the former spy was retained, the projects financing switched to a client allied with Democrats.) It started off as a fairly general inquiry, says the former spook, who asks not to be identified. But when he dug into Trump, he notes, he came across troubling information indicating connections between Trump and the Russian government. According to his sources, he says, there was an established exchange of information between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin of mutual benefit.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/veteran-spy-gave-fbi-info-alleging-russian-operation-cultivate-donald-trump/
Also in the book Collusion it mentions Steele gave it to FBI contacts he previously worked with the FBI over the FIFA bribery case.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)... Mueller is still in charge
onecaliberal
(32,894 posts)cilla4progress
(24,766 posts)A second civil war.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)anything for Trump by firing him.
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Clarity2
(1,009 posts)I couldnt watch maddow last night. I need to stay positive.
My thoughts:
If mueller is fired, remember theres recourse to get reinstated in a court of law. They can only fire him under certain conditions.
If sessions is fired, remember the man knows A LOT. A fired man is a ticking time bomb. Mueller could try to get him to cooperate. Bad part about this is that worry for trump admin would possibly mean the need to dismantle mueller investigation as fast as possible.
It bears repeating over and over...besides marching there is economic walkouts/boycotts. Turn off the spigot. Money talks. If you do a google search, you will see they do and have worked. Huff Po has an article.
Kilgore
(1,733 posts)The trend tells me nothing will happen.
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)until now.