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Pence Will Be Just As Bad (Original Post) SeaDoo77 Jan 2018 OP
Just as bad (and impotent) as Ford. ret5hd Jan 2018 #1
ITA - a lame duck janterry Jan 2018 #3
agreed - if the Trump presidency completely falls apart NewJeffCT Jan 2018 #8
Pence will be much worse than Ford. yardwork Jan 2018 #26
Trump being in the position he is in for as long as he has been Jarqui Jan 2018 #2
What is your point? NCTraveler Jan 2018 #4
Agreed. MGKrebs Jan 2018 #13
When this claim is made.... NCTraveler Jan 2018 #21
Exactly. Pence would be a lame duck with no mandate whatsoever. Hed be an accidental president anneboleyn Jan 2018 #25
Understood, but I don't care... mreilly Jan 2018 #5
Wow. +100 bazillion. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2018 #9
well said get the red out Jan 2018 #19
+1000000000 treestar Jan 2018 #34
Pence lacks the ability to stir up the brain-dead TheCowsCameHome Jan 2018 #6
agreed NewJeffCT Jan 2018 #10
Pence is like a thick chunk of dried paint TheCowsCameHome Jan 2018 #14
agreed NewJeffCT Jan 2018 #18
He was on his way to defeat there, before TheCowsCameHome Jan 2018 #22
Exactly. Pence was disliked in one of the most conservative states. It would be 10x worse as pres anneboleyn Jan 2018 #27
Doubtful. Paladin Jan 2018 #7
I doubt Pence will have a chance to be "just as bad." GoCubsGo Jan 2018 #11
WORD. EOM The_REAL_Ecumenist Jan 2018 #16
Pence is not insane and will not push nuke button with his penis, just to prove he can NightWatcher Jan 2018 #12
Don't worry about Pence being sworn in because he's as guilty if not more so The_REAL_Ecumenist Jan 2018 #15
You're wrong...... marble falls Jan 2018 #17
He's not senile yet, or am I wrong? He's not terrorizing the world with tweets. L. Coyote Jan 2018 #20
Except he'll be damaged goods, an automatic lame duck. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2018 #23
No he won't. Trump is likely to get us into a nuclear war. Pence is a grifter. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #24
He's just as guilty. Mc Mike Jan 2018 #28
Ford would probably be a Democrat today. IluvPitties Jan 2018 #29
Unlikely -nt Bradical79 Jan 2018 #30
no one is arguing Pence will be benevolent or anything other than what he is LanternWaste Jan 2018 #31
Pence is just as implicated in the Russian connection. Nitram Jan 2018 #32
Pence is highly malevolent, but not outright stupid or insane - and he has no mass appeal dalton99a Jan 2018 #33

NewJeffCT

(56,834 posts)
8. agreed - if the Trump presidency completely falls apart
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 10:10 AM
Jan 2018

with him resigning or being indicted/impeached, I think Pence will be an even lamer duck than Ford. Pence will be mortally wounded by association with Trump and he does not have the Trump ability to suck up all the media attention.

Jarqui

(10,417 posts)
2. Trump being in the position he is in for as long as he has been
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 09:59 AM
Jan 2018

reflects on the GOP. He remains in power because they want him to be in power.

The real problem is the GOP and those who control it - not nearly so much the puppet president they install to do their bidding.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
4. What is your point?
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 10:02 AM
Jan 2018

This seem to be void of one. "Pence will be just as bad". What are you talking about?

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
21. When this claim is made....
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 10:34 AM
Jan 2018

It is always completely void of any discussion involving what would have to happen to end up with Pence as President. As if impeachment or resignation would just be ho hum. It would be an enormous loss of clout for them. The question is posed as if Pence becomes President and nothing else happened.

anneboleyn

(5,611 posts)
25. Exactly. Pence would be a lame duck with no mandate whatsoever. Hed be an accidental president
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 10:45 AM
Jan 2018

and he’d be resisted at every turn by everyone. Yeah, Paul Ryan may try to squeeze out some more evil legislation but it would be very hard and Pence would face challenges at every turn. Pence could never get elected on his own, and people will find out very quickly how limited and extremely uncharismatic Pence really is if he’s ever in this position. He’s a horribly stiff and unnatural public speaker (forget the one debate that Pence was coached for — he’s a terrible public speaker and dull as a door nail). He’d just be holding a space until the next election.

And yes, Trump is much worse than Pence.

 

mreilly

(2,120 posts)
5. Understood, but I don't care...
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 10:04 AM
Jan 2018

... I want this fucking, fucking, FUCKING smug little pile of orange feces GONE. I'm sick of seeing his ugly fucking face every day. Sick of having to turn off his raspy old fucking man voice whenever it comes on the TV. Sick of hearing about his latest idiotic screaming little tantrum because the orange toddler must have stayed up past his night-night time.

We can fight Pence the same way we are fighting this fucking orange shitgibbon, but I want the shitgibbon OUT so I don't have to hear about his every fucking move.

And for the record, I don't worry Pence will launch a nuclear war to cover the fact he has a tiny one-inch wee-wee like the worthless shitstain currently squatting in the White House.

TheCowsCameHome

(40,204 posts)
6. Pence lacks the ability to stir up the brain-dead
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 10:09 AM
Jan 2018

TrumbBots love the hype and bluster.

He (Pence) is going nowhere.

NewJeffCT

(56,834 posts)
10. agreed
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 10:12 AM
Jan 2018

I think Pence is politically worse than Trump because he really seems to believe that religious BS. And, he's more competent than Trump (a very low bar to clear!)

However, he also doesn't have that ability to fire up the base of deplorables and to also suck up all the media attention.

TheCowsCameHome

(40,204 posts)
14. Pence is like a thick chunk of dried paint
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 10:17 AM
Jan 2018

He may have crackpot visions, but he is a total dullard.

Nobody gets inspired by that guy.

NewJeffCT

(56,834 posts)
18. agreed
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 10:19 AM
Jan 2018

when he left office in Indiana, his approval rating was extremely low - in a reliably Republican/red state.

Paladin

(28,699 posts)
7. Doubtful.
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 10:10 AM
Jan 2018

For all his downside, Pence has a significant amount of governmental experience, and he appears to be retaining a hold on basic sanity. I say we give him a try, the sooner the better.

GoCubsGo

(32,850 posts)
11. I doubt Pence will have a chance to be "just as bad."
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 10:14 AM
Jan 2018

He is caught up in all of this mess, too. He'll be lucky to keep his ass out of prison, let alone get into the White House.

The_REAL_Ecumenist

(783 posts)
15. Don't worry about Pence being sworn in because he's as guilty if not more so
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 10:17 AM
Jan 2018

than Orange slob. How the hell was he at the head of the "transition team" but didn't know about the emails between the Russians & members of that same team and that's just a start.. DON'T WORRY. He's in SERIOUS trouble.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
20. He's not senile yet, or am I wrong? He's not terrorizing the world with tweets.
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 10:19 AM
Jan 2018

Russia picked Pence for a reason, he's a Putinesque hate monger, anti-gay, die-hard conservative. That makes him another liability to Republicans, just like trump. In that sense, he is just as bad.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,476 posts)
23. Except he'll be damaged goods, an automatic lame duck.
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 10:40 AM
Jan 2018

And if 2018 goes well, he'll have a hard time getting any of his agenda through.

I don't think he'll be impeached with Trump (Republicans will vouch for him even while they dump Trump), but there will be enough questions lingering about what he knew regarding Russia that it will haunt him in 2020, if he even runs.

IluvPitties

(3,181 posts)
29. Ford would probably be a Democrat today.
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 10:52 AM
Jan 2018

He was not a religious loon like Reagan and his descendants and was socially very liberal.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
31. no one is arguing Pence will be benevolent or anything other than what he is
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 11:13 AM
Jan 2018

At the end of the day, the investigation is in place to serve justice, not our desires.

It's not in fact, simply a mechanism to attempt administration change or give advantages to the party in power, despite the GOP having used it as such for 35 years.

That said, no one is arguing Pence will be benevolent or anything other than what he is... another member of the GOP.

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