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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy was Christie never indicted for Bridgegate?
The News reports alone showed there was enough evidence against him. And the prosecutors must have had more.
Another miscarriage of justice in America.
dalton99a
(81,730 posts)former9thward
(32,217 posts)The investigation was led by Paul Fishman, US Attorney for northern NJ, who was appointed by President Obama.
dalton99a
(81,730 posts)like Bergen County prosecutor
JI7
(89,305 posts)RestoreAmerica2020
(3,439 posts)That Christie (as well as trumpf) are autocratic managers meaning they know about everything, they give the order on everything and no-one makes a move without them, yet wth Bridgette there was no tangible evidence such as an email, text, recording to tis the b$@#!$d to the crime..he let others go to prison for his transgression.
As for trumpf and Russian gate..and his effort to distance himself from the crime ....it was the trumpf campaign ...dude you are the trumpf campaign..trumpf was in on the fix whatever the fix was, and he probably gave the order and it's probably on text, email or recorded. The difference between Christie and trumpf ... Christie would have erased the tape..wouldn't have been so sloppy...
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)It was all circumstantial and intuitive considering his exhibited 'nature' - but sometimes members of "the team" do things to seek approval and respect they crave, not on the orders of the head coach.
There remains a 'reasonable doubt.'
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Got a promotion to work in DC. I know someone got away with withholding evidence.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)bearsfootball516
(6,378 posts)Others fall on their sword, or they start paying out money and the charges quietly vanish.
Irish_Dem
(48,670 posts)KPN
(15,692 posts)time I watch Rachel Maddow. She was all over Bridgegate non-shop for months on end. Same thing with Russia-Trump. A depressing thought every time I have it.
Ligyron
(7,657 posts)or that this was even discovered.
KPN
(15,692 posts)skated nevertheless. Ergo, a depressing thought.
delisen
(6,053 posts)himself.
He left no personal trail.
No written orders to staff or anyone else
No spoken instructions or statements of appreciation
His people made verbal reports or comments but he did answer in words-maybe just smiled or looked happy.
He let them take all the risks and actions. They knew he would like them to take revenge but they never got spoken or written instructions to take action. They knew he was pleased by their actions but he never put it in words-either spoken or written.
Slippery and slithery. He let them take the risks and then cut them loose.
mythology
(9,527 posts)There was never anything specifically coming from Christie where he said "fuck up traffic on the bridge". Is it likely he did order it? Sure. But you can't even come close to the burden of proof.
ClarendonDem
(720 posts)The news reports I read indicated Christie was involved, but it looks like there wasn't any evidence supporting indictment. If there had been he almost certainly would have been indicted -- silly to think he was somehow protected because he was governor. Lots of politicians have been indicted and sent to prison for their crimes.
montanacowboy
(6,123 posts)EVER show up to jail? They were slated to begin sentences in September and there never was a word about it.
What is the deal here? anyone know?
Ilsa
(61,721 posts)I guess we will see if someone dotus appoints gets their case to review. I have no idea if that is even possible, or what would happen if that came to pass.
melm00se
(4,998 posts)always reminds people when questions like this come up:
there are things in this world that you "know" and things you can "prove", the two don't always intersect.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)Why no plea deals for testimony? You can't tell me that not one out of the four people sentenced was ever offered a deal. And suppose there was sworn testimony. Wouldn't that be enough to convict, or does there need to be hard evidence?
melm00se
(4,998 posts)evidence nor can I evaluate the credibility of "testimony of underlings" I can't really make a judgment.
bluestarone
(17,179 posts)i'd like to see this investigated a little further. (hold some hearings like nUnes does)
edhopper
(33,706 posts)Something left for the jury after the prosecutor presents the case.
Not for the prosecutor to decide.
former9thward
(32,217 posts)Prosecutors have an ethical standard which they must follow. They only charge people they believe they can prove did the crime beyond a reasonable doubt. "Leaving it to the jury (or judge) to decide" would be an ethics violation.
Standard 3-4.3 Minimum Requirements for Filing and Maintaining Criminal Charges
(a) A prosecutor should seek or file criminal charges only if the prosecutor reasonably believes that the charges are supported by probable cause, that admissible evidence will be sufficient to support conviction beyond a reasonable doubt, and that the decision to charge is in the interests of justice.
https://www.americanbar.org/groups/criminal_justice/standards/ProsecutionFunctionFourthEdition.html
lindysalsagal
(20,828 posts)tblue37
(65,590 posts)prosecutor and an experienced politician. He knows how to buffer himself with underlings to reduce legal exposure and to create plausible deniability.
PragmaticDem
(320 posts)edhopper
(33,706 posts)"not enough evidence". I have two words.
Don Siegleman.
mythology
(9,527 posts)gordianot
(15,271 posts)At which time he will crawl out from under his rock like many other loathsome GOP creatures.
Zambero
(8,985 posts)Christie for one would be adept and knowledgable regarding the art of plausible deniability, as it relates to prior knowledge of crimes committed, even as they occur.
RealityChik
(382 posts)He has scary close ties with the mob and he holds grudges for eternity. Anyone who values life would be ending it with testimony that could put him behind bars.
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