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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTrump's retaliation against McCabe is abuse of power, and an impeachable offense.
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dalton99a
(81,515 posts)XRubicon
(2,212 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)In Twitter, I clicked the latest tab searching Andrew McCabe. The bots are on duty pushing this story, trying to make Andrew McCabe trend.
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ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)Is this something new, or have I not been paying attention?
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)is what I suspect. It is something new, now that Twitter is killing the Russian bot army.
Trump's bot army is trying to maintain control of trends in the face of severe casualties.
Bots really made a difference during the campaign, determining trends and burying true reporting.
A protester beaten in the crowd at Trump's behest did not get reported, swamped out by bots.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)Russia bounced off Asian servers, or does Pooty have Asian recruits as well?
You know, I could stand the former, but the idea of the latter makes me ill. Pooty already has his fingers in too many countries.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)DavidDvorkin
(19,479 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)and Trump is generating FAKE bullshit to intimidate a federal official and a witness against him.
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L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)These are the threads the Trump bots are trying to push down page, and they are accomplishing it.
The main Twitter feed is dominated by Trumpian Fascist Media on this topic thanks to the bots.
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1/ In the story above, @mkraju of @CNN reports that McCabe told Congress that @Comey told him about his conversations with Trump shortly after they happened. Thats important because those conversations appear to be the centerpiece of Muellers obstruction investigation.
2/ Obstruction also appears to be Trumps greatest legal liability at this time, given what we know publicly, although whether a sitting President can be indicted is a hotly debated legal question that no one can definitively answer.
3/ But lets say that there was a trial concerning obstruction. Would Comeys statements to McCabe come into evidence? Probably, even though someones statements out of court (such as Comeys statements to McCabe) usually arent admissible as evidence.
4/ Although the general rule is that hearsay (statements made out of court) cant be testified to in court, there are many exceptions. One of those is for prior consistent statements.
5/ So if Comey testifies as to what Trump told him (which is proper because Trumps words can be used against him) and the defense team attacks Comeys credibility, Comeys prior statements to McCabe can be used to show that he didnt make up his testimony about what Trump said.
6/ If Trumps team didnt attack Comeys credibility at all, instead mounting a different kind of defense, McCabe couldnt testify about what Comey told him.
7/ As a practical matter, McCabes potential testimony would be very important in an obstruction trial of Trump. (Or anyone else, as long as they were a co-conspirator of Trump or there was another reason why Trumps words could be used.)
8/ It would be hard to defend an obstruction case while accepting all of Comeys testimony and making no attack on him. Although a jury would likely find Comey to be more credible than Trump, good cross-examination could create doubt, while letting him go unchallenged would hurt.
9/ That said, given that Comey briefed McCabe and other FBI leaders soon thereafter, their testimony backing up Comeys account could be devastating. The fact that Comey briefed his staff shortly afterward would put Trumps team in a tough spot at a trial.
10/ That could be one reason why Comey briefed them. He is savvy and spent a career in law enforcement, so when he saw conversations that were problematic, he wrote memos and told others to create a record that could be used later. Thats what FBI agents are trained to do. /end
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Jim Jordan says "everything that I've heard (from McCabe) reinforces what I believed before" about whether Clinton was treated favorably by FBI. Other Rs agree. But they declined to provide details of confidential interview
Comey told Senate Intel he briefed senior leadership about all his conversations with Trump soon after; McCabe confirmed he was one of those people
McCabe leaves the House grilling after 9 hours - this after an eight hour session with House Intel this week. Both sides see ammunition from his testimony
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mountain grammy
(26,623 posts)But in other news..its raining.
MyOwnPeace
(16,927 posts)presents that Santa can deliver, even if they are a little late - and, NO, there won't be any coal, no matter what IQ45 promised!
Irish_Dem
(47,128 posts)And to build himself up.
BSdetect
(8,998 posts)He should be removed based on that threat alone.
What a vile monster.
The GOP is keeping him despite all this crap.
They are even worse now.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Theirs is the formula for creating feudalism. These people belong in the middle of Dark Ages with their Inquisitional tactics, falsehoods, castles, and wealth concentration.
rtracey
(2,062 posts)Impeachable, Impeachable, Impeachable, Impeachable, Impeachable, Impeachable, Impeachable, Impeachable, Impeachable, Impeachable, Impeachable, Impeachable, Impeachable, Impeachable, Impeachable, Impeachable, Impeachable, Impeachable, Impeachable, Impeachable, Impeachable, Impeachable, Impeachable, Impeachable, Impeachable, Impeachable, Impeachable, Impeachable, Impeachable, Impeachable, Impeachable, is all we hear..... face facts, this fucking congress just passed the tax bill without batting an eye, knowing it will blow up the country and destroy the healthcare of many. DO YOU HONESTLY THINK THIS GOD-DAMNED GOP- CONTROLLED CONGRESS WILL EVER BRING IMPEACHMENT CHARGES.....lets focus on getting the house and senate turned to the democrats, then we can talk impeachment.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Just allow Mueller to do his thing and bring the evidence forward. Then they will have no other choice when faced with the facts.
Rats always jump off a sinking ship, even if they wait until the last moment, and swim to survive. They will still lose Congress though.
fallout87
(819 posts)You think they are just going to agree with Mueller? Nope. This congress will never impeach Trump. Too afraid of his base.
thesquanderer
(11,989 posts)Only a shortage of people in congress willing to consider them.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Mueller has cooperating witnesses, surveillance, foreign intel, and a lot of docs. This is going to be unparalleled in US political history.
triron
(22,006 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,177 posts)This is now vindictive obstruction
In a divorce it would prompt protection from abuse order!
shanny
(6,709 posts)if we had a majority party at all interested in the rule of law. We don't.
triron
(22,006 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)triron
(22,006 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)and t-rump is still assholes soon to be out of the WH and in custody.
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(51,129 posts)triron
(22,006 posts)Plus he got into office by conspiring with a foreign adversary. And who knows what else.
Yet MSM still acts like he is "legitimate"! Yeah legitimate POS.
triron
(22,006 posts)Cha
(297,290 posts)Mahalo, L Coyote!
Kablooie
(18,634 posts)He's got a list of impeachable offenses as long as his nose.
They don't mean anything unless someone is ready to impeach and that ain't happening any time soon, bub.
The only way to get Trump out is to vote him out in 2020
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)I thought at the time that letting McCabe's plans be known was not a good thing. That did not do McCabe any favors. And McCabe should not have told anyone other than his family.
No one is going to do anything. The country is under the control of a dictator, a tyrant...ruining lives and careers out of personal animosity and revenge for being investigated for his own actions.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)But, McCabe's testimony has destroyed Trump, that's why they are going after him. Trump is also screwing himself on Twitter.
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(51,129 posts)SergeStorms
(19,201 posts)Damned straight! Federal prisoner #379666 has a nice ring to it though.