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babylonsister

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Tue Dec 19, 2017, 08:46 AM Dec 2017

US outnumbered 14 to 1 as it vetoes UN vote on status of Jerusalem

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US outnumbered 14 to 1 as it vetoes UN vote on status of Jerusalem

Nikki Haley furious over resolution, describing it as an insult and saying US won’t be told where it can put its embassy

US vetos ‘insulting’ UN vote over status of Jerusalem – video @ link

Peter Beaumont in Jerusalem

Tuesday 19 December 2017 05.46 EST
First published on Monday 18 December 2017 14.06 EST


A UN security council resolution calling for the withdrawal of Donald Trump’s recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital has been backed by every council member except the US, which used its veto.

The unanimity of the rest of the council was a stark rebuke to the Trump administration over its unilateral move earlier this month, which upended decades of international consensus.


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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/18/us-outnumbered-14-to-1-as-it-vetoes-un-vote-on-status-of-jerusalem?CMP=fb_gu

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US outnumbered 14 to 1 as it vetoes UN vote on status of Jerusalem (Original Post) babylonsister Dec 2017 OP
It's an insult, all right, Nikki. And you made it. dchill Dec 2017 #1
Congress made the exact same leftynyc Dec 2017 #2
Was that just a resolution? Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2017 #4
This was even LESS than leftynyc Dec 2017 #5
Probably because of Trump Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2017 #11
That's what this was ALL about leftynyc Dec 2017 #12
Trump is bats**t crazy Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2017 #13
I think there are FAR more leftynyc Dec 2017 #14
Every single President - Republican and Democrat - has issued a waiver NOT to move karynnj Dec 2017 #17
Now if you could only point leftynyc Dec 2017 #19
I think it's because of trump Mosby Dec 2017 #9
Someone capture that bite of Nikki Haley saying the US won't be told Baitball Blogger Dec 2017 #3
It sounds like you would put NONE leftynyc Dec 2017 #6
We are doomed to repeat the same mistakes if we don't learn from the past. Baitball Blogger Dec 2017 #8
I truly don't think leftynyc Dec 2017 #15
Which of the two cities is the most claimed for religious purposes by different religious Baitball Blogger Dec 2017 #16
Obvious answer leftynyc Dec 2017 #18
Well, you see, your way puts lives in danger...unnecessarily. Baitball Blogger Dec 2017 #20
My way? leftynyc Dec 2017 #21
That's pretty standard for UN votes about Israel oberliner Dec 2017 #7
Shameless and proud malaise Dec 2017 #10
Screw the "Opinions of Mankind"! moondust Dec 2017 #22

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,539 posts)
4. Was that just a resolution?
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 10:33 AM
Dec 2017

Resolutions don't mean much of anything in the grand scheme of things. No US President has AFAIK ever publicly proclaimed it as such nor discussed moving our embassy there, which seems to be a much bigger deal.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
5. This was even LESS than
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 10:46 AM
Dec 2017

a resolution. And yes, that resolution also talked about moving the embassy - as has every single president or presidential candidate has done since then. Why the angst about it now?

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,539 posts)
11. Probably because of Trump
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:50 AM
Dec 2017

basically being outspoken and "in your face" about it in a way that nobody else has been? Because Trump is actually trying to DO something about it? Who really cares why? The point is that Trump is being a douche to the rest of the world (except Russia)- and Muslims in particular- and the rest of the world (except Russia) is upset and angry about it (and rightfully so IMHO). Plus, he's slinging raw red meat to the Christian fundies in his "base" whom are eating it up.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
12. That's what this was ALL about
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 12:40 PM
Dec 2017

Him sucking up to his evangelical base. They're the only people he can depend on now. But there is really zero reason people here or at the UN should be runnning around with their hair on fire about this.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,539 posts)
13. Trump is bats**t crazy
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 02:25 PM
Dec 2017

Nobody knows WHAT he is going to do or say next. The whole world right now is holding their breath just to see if Trump is going to light a nuclear war up with North Korea or pick a fight with Iran. There's no reason why people here or at the UN should NOT be running around with their hair on fire about *anything* he does IMHO.
:-/

Is there some reason you're trying to calm everybody down about this or make it out to be no big deal?

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
14. I think there are FAR more
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 03:15 PM
Dec 2017

troubling things donnie is doing and has done than this. That's really it.

karynnj

(59,558 posts)
17. Every single President - Republican and Democrat - has issued a waiver NOT to move
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 03:30 PM
Dec 2017

the embassy. Trump actually did that, but in a statement saying he WIIL move the embassy. While true that many FUTURE Presidents have said they will move the embassy when elected, NO SITTING PRESIDENT has ever said this.

Not to mention, if it is nothing new and does nothing, why do you support it as it HAS caused angst in the world. US policy has long been that this should wait until there is a peace acord and Jersalem is a settled issue.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
19. Now if you could only point
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 04:42 PM
Dec 2017

out and quote me where I said I support this, we can continue this conversation.

Mosby

(16,596 posts)
9. I think it's because of trump
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:13 AM
Dec 2017

The Democratic platform for the last three general elections says the same thing.

Baitball Blogger

(46,973 posts)
3. Someone capture that bite of Nikki Haley saying the US won't be told
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 10:29 AM
Dec 2017

that it can't build an embassy in Jerusalem. If Trump succeeds in building it, it will surely become a target as so many American embassies have in the past. And when that day comes, someone needs to replay Nikki Haley's comment in the aftermath of the 1 to 14 vote. The casualties will be hers and Trump's legacy.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
6. It sounds like you would put NONE
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 10:48 AM
Dec 2017

of the blame on the terrorists that would attack the embassy. I mean, heaven forbid they behave like human beings.

Baitball Blogger

(46,973 posts)
8. We are doomed to repeat the same mistakes if we don't learn from the past.
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:06 AM
Dec 2017

Once we realized our embassies became targets, we began to shut them down in volatile areas BECAUSE terrorists would target them. Now we're putting one in, in an area that could easily create a scenario for World War.

Terrorists are a fixed factor. The only thing we have control over, is eliminating easy targets for them.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
15. I truly don't think
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 03:17 PM
Dec 2017

an embassy in Jerusalem would be any more of a target than the one in Tel Aviv. The security would be stellar either place and giving into the terrorists by moving or not moving an embassy just hits me the wrong way.

Baitball Blogger

(46,973 posts)
16. Which of the two cities is the most claimed for religious purposes by different religious
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 03:25 PM
Dec 2017

denominations that are already in strife?

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
18. Obvious answer
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 04:40 PM
Dec 2017

but I don't see your point. Why would one be in more danger than the other? And why give into those who threaten violence? Doesn't that give them license to threaten violence every time they don't get what they want?

Baitball Blogger

(46,973 posts)
20. Well, you see, your way puts lives in danger...unnecessarily.
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 04:46 PM
Dec 2017

If you are underwriting the safety of civilians and American diplomats and soldiers, I think there is no harm in being prudent.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
21. My way?
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 04:48 PM
Dec 2017

I haven't taken a position on this here. I'm just pointing out this was decided and declared by the US government long ago - this is not new. I'm decidedly not in favor of giving into terrorism - that goes for anywhere, including Israel.

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