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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 10:04 PM Original message |
My radical approach to fix the economy and country. |
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izquierdista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
1. Defense industry, nationalize it too! |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 10:09 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Fixed. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 10:19 PM Response to Original message |
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Davis_X_Machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 10:19 PM Response to Original message |
4. Every social democracy... |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 10:19 PM Response to Original message |
5. Heh. Yeah, I can still remember when I |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 11:39 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. Defeatism is never helpful. |
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northoftheborder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 10:25 PM Response to Original message |
6. The military used to be a government run and funded effort for our defense. It should be.... |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 10:33 PM Response to Original message |
7. A Couple of Things re Getting There from Here |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 11:02 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Thanks for the feedback. |
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lutherj (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 10:36 PM Response to Original message |
8. Shut down Wall Street and shut down the credit industry. All corporate |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 11:23 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. I vote for transformation. Much less painful than collapse. |
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lutherj (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 11:43 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Agreed. (Like your sig line, by the way.) nt |
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RegieRocker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 11:05 PM Response to Original message |
10. I wished it were so but alas I can only dream/ |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:03 AM Response to Original message |
14. A simple question: What process would lead to this? |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 10:05 AM Response to Original message |
15. The only thing I would add |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 10:08 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. That is not a plan... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 10:18 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. not to mention tyrannical goals. |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 10:22 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Like the capitalist system is not tyrannical |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 10:29 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Of course it is. but I'd rather not replace one tyranny with another |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:15 AM Response to Reply #20 |
26. Well in order to fix it.......... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:23 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Glad to answer that. Publicly funded elections |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:29 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. I said I was a heretical Marxist...... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:43 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. ugh. nope. not with you. I want all boots off all throats |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:47 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. If the workers can run the company democratically |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:50 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Of course it would to someone with no... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:01 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. not too many sterling examples of such. |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:04 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Human nature? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:14 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. codswallop. it's not nature v nurture. it's nature and nurture. |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:53 PM Response to Reply #32 |
62. Some DLC DCCC "Democrat" values are showing! |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:02 PM Response to Reply #62 |
73. lol. what crapola |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:47 AM Response to Reply #29 |
34. Good luck with that... |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:35 PM Response to Reply #26 |
91. You are wrong. Capitalism will be fixed when there are more capitalists |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:40 PM Response to Reply #26 |
93. Have you ever sat among people of equal power and tried to decide where to go for dinner? |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:30 AM Response to Reply #20 |
30. How is it tyrannical? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:57 AM Response to Reply #30 |
36. actually, there is no European country with the type of nationalization |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:02 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. I don't really have too much of a problem with small businesses, but what about these examples |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:11 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. so once a business reaches a certain size, it should be seized |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:50 PM Response to Reply #39 |
97. Wrong again. |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #30 |
63. Much of our former party has bought the line |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:15 PM Response to Reply #63 |
81. I just actually think and come to my own conclusions rooted |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:55 PM Response to Reply #81 |
98. I am stunned how the people that correctly rail red faced that trickle down |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 02:00 PM Response to Reply #98 |
100. a Little balance restored, that's all |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 04:00 PM Response to Reply #81 |
117. fail |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:42 PM Response to Reply #30 |
94. You are dead wrong. Many european countries have social democracies. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:45 PM Response to Reply #18 |
55. Yes, we can't have any of that socialist tyranny, |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 02:20 PM Response to Reply #55 |
104. good grief what claptrap. you're actually claiming we're genetically wired |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 02:40 PM Response to Reply #104 |
108. Trotskyism is a type of communism which is a type of socialism. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 03:09 PM Response to Reply #104 |
114. Apparently, you don't read any papers in |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:27 AM Response to Reply #16 |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
17. the post of a very young person |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 10:33 AM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Geez, HOW condescending.......... |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 10:38 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. The last part of your post is... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 10:50 AM Response to Reply #21 |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:01 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Ideas like the OP have long been put out there...... |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:57 PM Response to Reply #17 |
99. nt. |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
23. Good start. I would add the following: fully-paid maternity\paternity leave for |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:38 AM Response to Reply #23 |
31. Good idea. |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:02 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. Conservatives are reprehensible and hypocritical on all |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:07 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. You think the stealth bombers are bad? |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:09 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Please document that n/t |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:20 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. Here is a link showing they have never been used: |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:27 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. You're leaving a little bit out there... |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
45. Your ideas are much like mine and should be |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:24 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. It would be a long process, sure, but it could be done. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:27 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Unfortunately, your basic reforms will be a Herculean |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:31 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. We already have proportional representation in... |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:39 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Nice job on having no clue what proportional representation is. |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:42 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. I do have a clue... |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:49 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. No, your ignorance is no one's fault but your own. |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:53 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. You've got to be kidding.... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:57 PM Response to Reply #61 |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:47 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. Apparently the design is flawed. We |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #57 |
65. The House has 435 members... |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:58 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. You love those straw men to make the conversation |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:02 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. Show me the strawman... |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:09 PM Response to Reply #72 |
77. It's possible because people will be picked by |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:15 PM Response to Reply #77 |
82. People will be picked by lottery to serve in the House? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:18 PM Response to Reply #82 |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:26 PM Response to Reply #82 |
87. You don't know what it is or you wouldn't use it or |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:29 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Then point to any strawman argument... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:30 PM Response to Reply #88 |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:58 PM Response to Reply #57 |
68. that's just bizarre |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:25 PM Response to Reply #68 |
86. So I guess it's preferable to have a House of |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 02:23 PM Response to Reply #86 |
105. uh, no. did I say that? No, of course not. thanks for your lovely example of |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 03:08 PM Response to Reply #105 |
113. Because hundreds of millions would not serve anymore |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:46 PM Response to Reply #47 |
56. want to bet on that? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:50 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Well, I guess if we can't dream, we can't get it done. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. not so. the founding fathers were, by and large, exceedingly hard headed |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:01 PM Response to Reply #64 |
70. They had a plan for an outcome and they may not |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:03 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. no they didn't. they had a plan for white men of property. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:16 PM Response to Reply #74 |
83. Yes, they did but some of their writings indicated |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:35 PM Response to Reply #83 |
90. please link to those writings. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:44 PM Response to Reply #90 |
95. I really don't have time to do that. You have Google. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:46 PM Response to Reply #95 |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 02:12 PM Response to Reply #95 |
102. sorry, no. there's very little written by those men that |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 02:14 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. The writings of Thomas Paine are very radical |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 02:24 PM Response to Reply #103 |
106. Dude... |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 02:33 PM Response to Reply #106 |
107. Wow. So Thomas Paine isn't considered a founding father now? |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 02:41 PM Response to Reply #107 |
109. Dude... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 02:47 PM Response to Reply #109 |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 02:00 PM Response to Reply #45 |
101. And the best way to do that is start on a community level and build up. nt |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
48. Once again, you'd have my vote! |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
53. Some great ideas. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:53 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. These ideas have been around since we sat around |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:59 PM Response to Reply #60 |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:03 PM Response to Reply #60 |
75. Or, far more recently, eating buffalo. Agreed once again, Cleita. |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:02 PM Response to Reply #53 |
71. We would have to be very careful of men like the ones you mentioned. |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:11 PM Response to Reply #71 |
78. Yep. That's what I'm talkin' about. And Chavez, |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:14 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Well, if the Right is going to call him a socialist or communist |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:23 PM Response to Reply #53 |
85. I lived in South America and what Chavez is doing is |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 03:30 PM Response to Reply #85 |
115. It appears that he has considerably improved |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 03:38 PM Response to Reply #115 |
116. He is and many of these countries are mainly |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
80. As usual. |
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FormerDittoHead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
92. Here's my fix - BAN POLITICAL ADVERTING ON FCC-LICENSED STATIONS AND CABLE Co's. |
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former9thward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
111. I notice you said the top tax bracket would be 90% of "profits". |
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