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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 11:10 AM
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I'm not a fan of calling American voters stupid...but Jesus effing Christ...
New polling data:

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2011/04/bad-new...

Taegan Goddard's breakdown:

A new Public Policy Polling survey finds that House Republicans "have fallen so far out of favor with the American public that it's entirely possible Democrats could take control of the House back next year."

Key findings: 43% of voters think that House Republicans are doing a worse job now than the Democrats did, compared to only 36% who think the GOP has brought an improvement while 19% think things are about the same.

Stunningly, independent voters now say they'd vote Democratic for the House by a 42% to 33% margin, representing a 28 point reversal in a span of just five months.


http://politicalwire.com/archives/2011/04/12/voters_sou...

Despair. "Independent voter" is fast becoming a kind euphemism for "Blithering idiot."

:banghead:
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 01:47 PM
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1. As soon as you realize that independent voters are just uninformed voters, it all makes sense.
Edited on Tue Apr-12-11 01:48 PM by w4rma
Also, the tactics needed to get them to vote for Democrats also make sense. Note that independent voters are NOT "centrist" voters. "Centrist" voters don't exists. Only "centrist" donors.
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 01:47 PM
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2. At the way politics are going in America...
Edited on Tue Apr-12-11 01:48 PM by AsahinaKimi
Snooki could be elected the next Congresswoman.. O.o"
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zorahopkins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 01:50 PM
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3. Wrong!
""Independent voter" is fast becoming a kind euphemism for "Blithering idiot."'

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

"George W. Bush" is, and always will be THE euphemism for "Blithering Idiot".
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Dread Pirate Roberts Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 01:54 PM
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4. I voted for the Republicans Just to See What Would Happen
... and it was even worse than the time I got into the bathtub with the plugged-in blow dryer.

Look, most of the country is just so peripherally engaged its disgusting. They watch a few minutes of cable news (mostly Fox), talk with their friends down at work and they think that they're brilliant.
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MattBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 01:56 PM
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5. You nailed it--- Independent = Blithering Idiot
Every single "independent" I know is the same. One person says the world is round and another that it's flat and independents will insist it's football shaped; sort of round yet sort of flat.

Dem: 1+1=2
Repub 1+1=3
Indy 1+1=2.5
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 02:33 PM
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6. Without verifiable voting systems, don't expect voters' preferences to match election "results" ...
... any time soon.
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Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 04:05 PM
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7. LOL. That would be the 4th election in a row they voted for the party 'out' of power
2006 and 2008 were rebellions against the GOP, 2010 was against the dems, and if that article holds true 2012 will be against the GOP and tea party.

How long are people going to keep voting against the party in power like it'll make a difference? Come 2014 won't they just vote GOP again?
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 05:06 PM
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8. .Instead of insulting ourselves, shouldn't we just be glad that opinions are changing in our favor?
Edited on Tue Apr-12-11 05:07 PM by whathehell
:eyes:
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 05:15 PM
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9. How much of this is fallout the Gop's state union busting?...Something they did NOT campaign on?
Or is it just time for the two minutes self-hate? :eyes:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 05:18 PM
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 07:30 PM
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11. I wish you'd take a class on making up titles for posts
Because I find yours are so annoying that I don't even want to read the content.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 07:41 PM
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 08:41 PM
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23. Then don't
I'll enjoy being spared replies like this.

Tit. Tat.
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 07:30 PM
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12. Sorry, many of them ARE stupid.
And in low turnout years, stupid prevails.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 08:01 PM
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19. Sorry, but that's a stupid, absolute statement....What is your experience in other countries?
Cross cultural studies, maybe?


Oh gee...I guess you were just talking

about the people you know, huh?
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 07:35 PM
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13. American voters are complete idiots.
Otherwise they would be so easily manipulated by an obviously non News Channel like Fox. :shrug: They lie, are present with evidence that they are lies, and they say the evidence is obviously manufactured. Of COURSE no one would lie to them for profit. :rofl:
Americans do not value education. They have started to value religion over all else. This leads to ignorance and idiocy.
It's a simple equation.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 09:35 AM
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41. I doubt you've got more than a green card...Beyond that, I'm glad you're good with icons
Edited on Wed Apr-13-11 09:38 AM by whathehell
because your spelling sucks ass.

"Otherwise they 'would be so easily manipulated'.."...."They lie..are 'present' with evidence'". :rofl:


Your bad English tells me you come from some post communist shithole.


You need to go back there and learn English, if not manners..duh
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 04:57 PM
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49. Why are you such an asshole?
Edited on Wed Apr-13-11 05:00 PM by YellowRubberDuckie
I was typing quickly. Normally I'm a total spelling and grammar nazi, but I was pissed. What the fuck?
I am not the one who needs to learn manners. Jesus Christ.
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 07:38 PM
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14. Maybe we're the stupid ones. Like putting up anti-Obama thread all over the place and rec-ing
them up to the top spots on this board like they are as important as if a rethug got caught killing soemone. It sure looks like we don't like Democrats and don't support the President of the United States. You don't see this kind of shit with the teabaggers.

If we are going to win elections we need to frame our complaints as policy complaints and not personal complaints. Most people do not spend the kind of time that we do reading and learning about what is going on in this country's political realm.

I am still so pissed off at http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

and how it is wayyyy up there like people think our president is about the same as bush.


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TK421 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 08:18 PM
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20. you left out the sis-boom-bah n.t
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 07:42 PM
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17. I blame mass communication and mass consumerism.
We've become inattentive adult idiots, with no deeply rooted feelings outside our immediate surroundings and NONE older then a decade. Our world is all about appearance. America is all about the perception of our appearance as a nation. We've gone from living in a material world, to giving it all to the 1%ers.

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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 07:55 PM
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18. And if your not stupid there's always the "Diebold" antics...
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 08:54 PM
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24. Let me show you the intelligence of ONE Texas County

Representative

Jeb Hensarling REP 14,346 77.27%
Tom Berry DEM 3,845 20.71%
Ken Ashby LIB 374 2.01%
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Race Total 18,565
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Governor
Rick Perry REP 12,342 65.39%
Bill White DEM 5,957 31.56%
Kathie Glass LIB 444 2.35%
Deb Shafto GRN 101 0.53%
Andy Barron W-I 28 0.14%
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Race Total 18,872
----------------------------------------
Lieutenant Governor
David Dewhurst REP 14,255 75.73%
Linda Chavez-Thompson DEM 3,972 21.10%
Scott Jameson LIB 462 2.45%
Herb Gonzales, Jr. GRN 134 0.71%
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Race Total 18,823
----------------------------------------
Attorney General
Greg Abbott REP 14,521 77.22%
Barbara Ann Radnofsky DEM 3,881 20.63%
Jon Roland LIB 402 2.13%
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Race Total 18,804



And THESE are the same uninsured (25% adults/24% children) , Medicaid (28% children and 33% elderly), children in poverty (24%).

and they keep voting for fucking Republicans.
Oy.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 09:05 PM
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25. I just hope it fucking equates to the douches losing the house on the next cycle. n/t
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 09:20 PM
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26. "...a 28 point reversal in a span of just five months."
....we are a dumb lot, aren't we?....Republicons have been around for quite a while, fouling the nest....

....you would think everyone would know by now what to expect when we elect one....
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 12:50 AM
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27. Maybe true but how do we repair the elections to true and accurate?
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 12:58 AM
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28. Not stupid, but woefully, and in a lot of cases, willingly ignorant
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Keith Bee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 01:20 AM
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29. Hey, Truth is Truth
K&R
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 02:24 AM
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30. It's the Faux "News" on the Tee Vee
Once they start watching that stuff, they get hopelessly brainwashed. :cry:

Maybe some day we can find a cure.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 05:42 AM
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31. Most Americans seem willfully stupid and out of touch to me.
Over 20% in a recent poll couldn't name the VP (but they all know every contestant on Dancing With the Stars). Americans think 5% of the US budget goes to NPR (it's hundreds of times lower than that). Over half of self-described republicans believe that our president is a Muslim from Kenya.

Here in Ohio, our braindead voters elected a really, truly terrible governor (the worst I've ever seen here). Now that it's too late, they say they regret it. His approval rating is below 30% already. Polls show that if the election were held today, his opponent would win in a landslide (now that we have seen them both in action).

We are a nation of idiots. And it's getting worse.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 06:49 AM
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32. Taft was just as bad
as Kasich but in a different way. And Florida Governor Scott might be the very worst choice of all, even worse than Kasich or Walker of Wisconsin. All of them are damaging the Republican brand and I love that.

It's amazing that the Ohio voter would elect Republican Kasich after Taft. I believe Taft set the all time record for unpopularity of a state Governor at 9%!
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 06:51 AM
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33. What I don't understand
Why, given the poll numbers you give above, do Republicans hold such a large and consistent lead in the generic Congressional ballot polls?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/generic_c...
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disillusioned73 Donating Member (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 06:58 AM
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34. This country is beyond stupid...
I have come realize why the saying that politics & religion are taboo discussion amongst everyday folks..


"The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." ~ John F. Kennedy
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 06:58 AM
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35. William, let's not forget...
...the GOP is currently dominating the state governments right now.

And it's redistricting time again. For the 2012 elections.

:-(
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Imajika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 07:02 AM
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36. Many Republicans and "Independent" Tea Party people...
..view the Republican party negatively because it isn't radical and gutting programs enough.

These polls consistently miss this. The GOP has been polling poorly for a very long time now, and this is precisely because so many movement conservatives and teabaggers view it as too timid and not fanatical enough. So these sorts of polls capture the disapproval, but do not capture the fact that while many of these types of people disapprove of the GOP they are STILL going to vote Republican over any Democrat.

Basically, the Republican brand is weak even for Republicans, so were seeing polling that shows the GOP should be doing much worse than it actually does when it comes times for an election.
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CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 07:19 AM
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37. Independent
is a euphemism for pay no attention to anything until it bites you in the ass. They mostly are morons.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 07:45 AM
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38. The Family Guy - undecided votes
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fredamae Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 08:56 AM
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40. I want to do something Bold: Is it possible?
I would like to see We, the People, file a Class Action Lawsuit against the republican party. Their Own bills demonstrate an egregious power grab and an unprecedented shift of power and financial resources to the small minority of the wealthy and corporations.

This should be under the law and perhaps even the constitution a direct conflict of interest.

We are being held hostage under a constant threat of insecurity and loss of control, use and benefit of our own tax dollar contributions.

I always believed the gov't was formed to protect and provide for the people and Not the minority of the wealthiest individuals and corporations.

Is it not past time to go on Offense, Dems?
So I am hoping those with a deeper grasp of federal laws and the constitution might offer some insight as to the feasibility of this idea.

We are being "Walkerized WI Style". I object.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 10:14 AM
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42. I ran for state assembly last year.
I met all sorts of voters when I was out on the ole campaign trail. I came to the conclusion that the 'independent voter' is the least informed, least curious and least involved. Which ever flyer or slate postcard they received right before they walk out the door to vote, is how they will vote. Which ever commercial was least objectionable after 500 airings gets their vote. Give me a partisan voter. At least I know they stand for something. I might not agree w/ it but at the very least they are engaged.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 10:16 AM
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43. I am confident you'll get over it. nm
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 10:32 AM
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44. most people do not pay attention
all they get is the crap that passes for news on television. they just don't know, or just don't care. not sure which. i try to raise the consciousness of my own sons all the time and frankly believe that i am failing in that attempt. not that they'd vote for republicans, but they likely won't vote at all. and get active politically? no way. my oldest son who is 35 asked me the other day why i always put political stuff on my facebook page, and when did i get this way? i told him when gw became president. and why am i like this? i said you can't unring that bell and suddenly quit paying attention.

i just don't know the answer, or what it will take, to get people to just fucking pay attention. and i don't mean to the evening news, i mean to what is going ON.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 10:53 AM
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45. most people are pretty stupid. american or otherwise. nt
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Swede Atlanta Donating Member (906 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 10:56 AM
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46. What did the "Independent" voters think?
First of all I have yet to meet an "independent" voter. I have met people who claim to be "independent" but at the end of day not sure any of them are really sincere.

I guess we have three possible positions in this country:

Those that believe in discrimination, shipping jobs overseas, more money to the rich and powerful, abolishing the middle class and sticking it to the least among us and oh yeah believe in the flag, apple pie, guns, NOT GAYS, and God (their God of course who believes the same things they do). I think we can agree those are the conservatives and Repukkkes.

Those that believe in equality, good paying jobs for Americans, a system that provides for a strong middle class, support for the least among us, opportunity, but not unbridled, for those that want to be rich, strong true family values and justice. Those are the liberals, progressives and Democrats.

Those in the middle must be the truly "me, me, me". They will vote totally dependent on what's in it for them. They aren't driven by an ideology but rather around me, me, me. I consider those the Independents.
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madamesilverspurs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 11:45 AM
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47. Giving "credit" where it's due --
Some of those independent voters probably came to DU seeking information only to have their confusion compounded. Much as we pride ourselves on our 'not marching in lock-step', our routine cannibalism is something that just does not happen within republican ranks. Nasty and evil though they may be, their message unity keeps it simple for just enough voters to make a difference.


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Corruption Winz Donating Member (581 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 01:00 PM
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48. Frankly, most Americans are stupid. Period.
I mean, if you're not interested in the statistics that clearly prove this issue, than just look at the priorities that most Americans have and the people we elect.

Independent has always been a euphemism for idiot, as these are simply the people who make up their minds last. Claiming that they need to learn more about the candidates when they could simply do a little digging and find out all they need to know about these candidates.

So, in essence, they are people that believe candidates when these politicians are trying to sell themselves as opposed to studying their previous actions. Obviously, they are morons.
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