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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 10:13 PM Original message |
It is now a crime to wear a burka in France. How do you feel about this |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 10:17 PM Response to Original message |
1. Should that law be applied to these people? |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 10:20 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Oh it should be applied to all people if it is applied at all. |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 10:28 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. I agree with you on the equality-under-the-law aspect. But only 367 women in ALL of France wear... |
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FourScore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 10:51 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. Exactly. n/t |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 05:55 AM Response to Reply #6 |
43. It's just conservative fear-based politics. Sarkozy is looking for far-right votes, |
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Scuba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 06:07 AM Response to Reply #6 |
44. Bingo! |
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rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 06:54 AM Response to Reply #6 |
51. It's a small number true |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 11:10 AM Response to Reply #6 |
83. +1. nt |
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tsuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 10:18 PM Response to Original message |
2. It's their country. I've got enough problems over here. nt |
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iwishiwas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 10:21 PM Response to Original message |
4. yes, it is their country.-they can make their own laws. |
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kstewart33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 10:28 PM Response to Original message |
5. The law makes a lot of sense. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
7. France's history with religious costuming is different than the US. |
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snagglepuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 05:23 AM Response to Reply #7 |
39. Hear Hear. nt |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 11:14 AM Response to Reply #7 |
85. "In their revolution they even forebade Roman Catholic collars" |
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a la izquierda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:30 PM Response to Reply #85 |
112. Mexico's revolution did the very same. |
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Terra Alta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 10:31 PM Response to Original message |
8. I have no problem with this law. |
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Liquorice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 10:40 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. I agree. There's no place for burqas in any society |
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Zoeisright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 10:33 PM Response to Original message |
9. It's ridiculous. |
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phasma ex machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:53 PM Response to Reply #9 |
32. +1 What about women who want to wear burkas to cover up a bad hair day? |
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Bunny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 04:18 AM Response to Reply #32 |
38. Yeah, because that's such a common reason for wearing a burka. |
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Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 10:44 AM Response to Reply #32 |
74. or perhaps they don't want to their picture taken, like London camera's everywhere? |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 11:51 AM Response to Reply #32 |
92. Turban sales will skyrocket. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:34 PM Response to Reply #32 |
114. Are you confusing a burka with something else? |
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 10:05 PM Response to Reply #32 |
119. I believe they can still wear the hijab, or headcovering. nt |
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BlueJazz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 10:43 PM Response to Original message |
11. Good for the French. I'm always happy when the "Sky-Fairy people" are put down. |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
13. Their Conservative President is to the Left of our President. |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:28 PM Response to Reply #13 |
100. No, he isn't. Only on economic issues. Otherwise, he is very right wing and anti personal liberty. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
14. Can Nuns still wear their....(what is it? habits?) |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 10:55 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Not equivalent. Nun outfits dont obscure the face. Burqas do. nt |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 10:57 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. That's the legal distinction? So ski masks are out? |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:00 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Yeah, in many places in western society, yes, ski masks are out. |
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Liquorice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:01 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. They banned any kind of face covering in public. nt |
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ohheckyeah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:02 PM Response to Reply #17 |
24. Probably except for on the ski |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:02 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. No they're not ---> |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:04 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. "a host of exceptions" |
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rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 06:57 AM Response to Reply #25 |
52. And how many people are seen walking down the streets of Paris with their fencing mask on? |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 06:38 AM Response to Reply #17 |
48. try wearing a ski mask into a bank |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 11:31 AM Response to Reply #48 |
88. Is that French constitutional law or bank policy? n/t |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:00 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. Few wear habits regularly any more and they do not cover their faces. Additionally... |
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snagglepuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 05:26 AM Response to Reply #14 |
40. Nuns habits aren't facial masks. France bans any sort of mask in public. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 10:23 AM Response to Reply #40 |
63. except, of course, for all the ones that they don't ban |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 10:37 AM Response to Reply #63 |
69. The exceptions like a motorcycle helmet aren't a part of anyone's 24/7 public "face" |
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snagglepuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 11:02 AM Response to Reply #63 |
80. They ban all face masks. Care to cite face masks they allow? |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 11:08 AM Response to Reply #80 |
82. translation of exceptions clause: |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 11:45 AM Response to Reply #82 |
91. I expect it would be. Does a surgical mask have the same cultural baggage as niqab? |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 11:56 AM Response to Reply #91 |
93. it seems like you're admitting that its not a "neutral" provision but one targeted |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:05 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. Oh it definitely is aimed at a particular cultural practice |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:10 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. The fact that France has made this decision is hardly a reason not to have and express an opinion |
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snagglepuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 11:57 AM Response to Reply #82 |
94. But we're told only a handful of womem wear face masks so the ban is no big |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:25 PM Response to Reply #94 |
98. So the fact that its a really small minority of people that are affected is what makes it okay? |
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iris27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 10:54 PM Response to Original message |
15. Fine by me. It always pisses me off when women's oppression is ignored for the sake of |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:04 PM Response to Reply #15 |
26. When Ontario was dealing with the issue of sharia law for non criminal |
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Happyhippychick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 06:37 AM Response to Reply #15 |
47. + 1 |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 10:57 PM Response to Original message |
18. Bikinis not Birkas! |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 10:57 PM Response to Original message |
19. I would oppose such a law here, but the French can do whatever they want in their own country |
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Historic NY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:58 PM Response to Reply #19 |
33. We have laws here had for many years.... |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 02:30 PM Response to Reply #33 |
116. How many of those would apply to a burqa or other religious garment? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:00 PM Response to Original message |
21. No woman should be forced to wear a veil. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:05 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. +1 |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 07:59 AM Response to Reply #21 |
55. And no woman should be forced not to wear one if that is what she |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 11:13 AM Response to Reply #21 |
84. =1. nt |
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iamtechus (868 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:14 PM Response to Original message |
29. I'd like to say something defamatory about the French but, being from the US, ... |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:40 PM Response to Original message |
30. The French are free to decide this for themselves. Not my business. |
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somone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:45 PM Response to Original message |
31. When in France, do as the French do |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:19 AM Response to Original message |
34. I'm ok with it. |
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Ramulux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:27 AM Response to Original message |
35. France is fucked up |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:29 PM Response to Reply #35 |
101. agreed. |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:47 AM Response to Original message |
36. In weird sort of way, I can kinda understand it. At least I am not |
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Libertas1776 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 02:05 AM Response to Original message |
37. I support the idea of it... |
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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 05:27 AM Response to Original message |
41. I just don't know. |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 05:33 AM Response to Original message |
42. I hereby recuse myself from judgement... |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 06:10 AM Response to Original message |
45. It makes France have zero credibility getting themselves involved in Libya. |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:30 PM Response to Reply #45 |
103. Oh, it gives them credibility. they love bombing brown people, just like we do. nt |
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PotatoChip (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 06:31 AM Response to Original message |
46. I think people should be allowed to wear what they want. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 06:39 AM Response to Original message |
49. I used to be on the other side of this issue |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 06:49 AM Response to Original message |
50. The burka is a torture device |
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Dogtown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 07:31 AM Response to Original message |
53. Are crucifixes outlawed? |
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Bunny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 08:44 AM Response to Reply #53 |
58. Yeah, they are the EXACT same thing. |
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Dogtown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 09:42 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Close enough for me. |
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Bunny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 09:49 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. It actually is sarcasm. |
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Dogtown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 10:20 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Yeah, your screen name finally registered. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 09:52 AM Response to Reply #53 |
61. I oppose the practice of shrouding women |
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Dogtown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 10:24 AM Response to Reply #61 |
64. So do I. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 10:27 AM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Burkas are not religious. They are cultural. nt |
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Dogtown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 10:45 AM Response to Reply #66 |
75. I fail to see the distinction. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 10:40 AM Response to Reply #64 |
71. The text of the law does not single out any religion. |
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Dogtown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 10:43 AM Response to Reply #71 |
72. That's a quibble. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 10:49 AM Response to Reply #72 |
76. I don't have any illusions about where this law comes from. |
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Dogtown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 02:19 PM Response to Reply #76 |
115. I believe your motives. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 03:08 PM Response to Reply #115 |
117. Pleasure is mine. n/t |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 11:16 AM Response to Reply #71 |
87. Neither does AZ SB 1070--but we both know the intent of that one. nt |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 11:33 AM Response to Reply #87 |
89. Yep. However, unlike the French ban on face coverings, |
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Township75 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 07:58 AM Response to Original message |
54. Unless a Hollywood star says it is a human rights outrage, we should just let them do what they want |
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Keith Bee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 07:59 AM Response to Original message |
56. It's their country |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 08:08 AM Response to Original message |
57. I don't live in France. That's how I feel about it. |
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kiva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
65. I say good for France. |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 10:30 AM Response to Original message |
67. i think what it will do is restrict the access to public spaces that these women have |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
68. I'm fine with the law |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 10:38 AM Response to Original message |
70. I don't care one way or another |
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Snoutport (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
73. The really religious families might just not let their females go outside anymore |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 10:54 AM Response to Reply #73 |
79. Probably and that will be unsustainable. n/t |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
77. I don't favor the state making dress codes and taking it a step further enforcing dress codes with |
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otohara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
78. I Agree With Law |
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CBGLuthier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
81. It is NOT a crime to wear a burka. It is a crime to wear it IN PUBLIC |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 11:42 AM Response to Reply #81 |
90. it actually is a crime to wear a burqa while sitting in a private car |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 11:16 AM Response to Original message |
86. Complete violation of democratic individual rights. Hitler is smiling in hell. nt |
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Mz Pip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
97. I'm okay with it too. |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:30 PM Response to Reply #97 |
102. what if someone just wants to wear a face veil? ARe they devaluing themselves also? |
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Mz Pip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:06 PM Response to Reply #102 |
107. You are changing the subject |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
99. Not just the burkha, but niquab (sp) and anything covering the face. |
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Mz Pip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:27 PM Response to Reply #99 |
110. Maybe Muslim women need to |
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rollin74 (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
104. I support this law |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
105. In the US I'd oppose the law, in France I'm not troubled |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
106. Screeeeam! My God, what is wrong with this picture? |
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Ramulux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 04:19 PM Response to Reply #106 |
118. Its insane |
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siligut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
108. The French don't permit mormon missionaries either |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
109. Damn, I had my burka packed and ready for my Pas de calais |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
111. If I wear a burka on my ass, is it as bad as burning a Quran? |
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a la izquierda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
113. When I move to France, I'll tell you if I care. |
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