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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 02:14 PM
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anticipating flames as i post this...Re-Hope 2012
Edited on Sun Apr-10-11 02:20 PM by kpete















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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 02:15 PM
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1. I laughed.
:)
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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 11:02 AM
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127. I cried,,,
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 01:14 PM
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150. it was better than Cats.
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AllTooEasy Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 01:11 PM
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149. Jobs Recovery Continues
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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 02:34 PM
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153. Thank God. Maybe in about 8 years we can get everbody back to work. n/t
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AllTooEasy Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 03:39 PM
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155. I know, Bush's massive mess should have been cleaned up in a year!
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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 05:21 PM
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158. Obama's !st term is over halfway done. How long are you going to keep campaigning against Bush?
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AllTooEasy Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 02:05 PM
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161. Not campaigning. Bush's 8 years still negatively affects us

I don't how you can disagree with that. Some policies can be immediately reversed, but the effects won't be seen right away. Some can't. Reagan, Bush 41, and W all tried to "reform" Social Security and failed miserably.
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 02:16 PM
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2. ........
:popcorn:
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 02:16 PM
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3. LOL
:popcorn:
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 02:16 PM
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4. LOL ,thats brilliant
Edited on Sun Apr-10-11 02:18 PM by sasha031
:rofl:

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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 02:17 PM
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5. Oh SNAP!
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tallahasseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 02:18 PM
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6. I laughed...
the "Re-Hope" is hilarious!
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 02:19 PM
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7. Re-Hope for Change, 2012! n/t
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 02:19 PM
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8. +1,000
Truth hurts, but can set you free.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 02:21 PM
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9. Good humor has at least a grain of truth at heart. That's what makes it funny.
Even grimly and disappointingly funny.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 02:21 PM
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10. It's filed under "3rd Way" or "New Democrat".
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catabryna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 02:21 PM
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11. Love it!
:spray:
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 02:22 PM
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12. Great!
:thumbsup: :kick: :donut: :yourock: :applause: :hide: :popcorn: :rofl: :patriot: :woohoo: :headbang: :fistbump: :wow: :freak: :dunce: :silly: :crazy: :bounce:
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 02:23 PM
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13. P-E-R-F-E-C-T!
No flames here.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 02:23 PM
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14. +1 rec
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 02:26 PM
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15. I still blame the institution and process rather than Obama.
I'm open to hearing why I should blame Obama. But my honest feeling is that if Dennis Kucinich had been president we would be blaming him as well.

It just happens that the process facilitates Republicans, the way it has evolved. They don't say the root of all evil is money for nothing.

Maybe I'm full of it. But Obama didn't say that stuff just to get elected, I don't think.

I guess this constitutes flaming. :)
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 03:06 PM
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23. No flames here. I think Obama found out after he got elected that it's the PTB who really runs
Edited on Sun Apr-10-11 03:07 PM by pacalo
the show. I began thinking that when the highly-connected goofball was selected by the SCOTUS & now I'm convinced. Obama was well-intentioned but hit a powerful brick wall. I'm looking forward to hearing his campaign speeches. :evilgrin:

A bit of optimism: Radical political climates tend to run in cycles. The teabaggers have brought back the McCarthy period, so to speak, & we have a major class war going on at the same time. Extremism usually doesn't last; there's usually an epiphany that is reached that will bring reform. I hope we're not too far gone to bounce back to sanity.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 09:31 AM
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 03:08 PM
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27. I want to think that too....
..and when I'm feeling generous some days I do.

But then I think of who he appointed as his advisers and who he appointed to his cabinet and who he left out. And the most high profile, the most important positions he gave to people who got us into this mess. And yes, I'm including the Hawkish Ms. Clinton (who on everything BUT foreign policy I hold in high regard) as well.

Someone who really wanted a change in foreign policy would not have kept Gates on.
Someone who really wanted a change in fiscal policy would not have kept Bernake on.
Someone who really wanted a change in fiscal priorities and to hold the people accountable who got us into this mess would not have appointed Geithner and Summers.
Someone who truly believed in Public Education would not have appointed Arne Duncan or sung the praises of Michelle Rhee.

And those are just off the top of my head. I'm sure I'm missing many others.

I'm far from a Kucinich fan, but do you honestly believe he would have appointed or assigned those same people?

Yes, the Senate and the House and the Blue Dogs and the Republicans are to blame as well. I don't know anyone who says they are not.

But someone who truly believed what he said he believed on the campaign trail would not have appointed the people he appointed to so many positions (and no, Elizabeth Warrens afterthought advisory position very likely to amount to nothing formal and nothing official or nothing with any form of power does not count, I'm sorry).

So he's not the only one to blame. Definitely not. But he could have wielded a much bigger hammer, both in terms of his own behavior and his own strength of office, but also in who he empowered and who he kept around him. And at the end of the day when I struggle with this myself, that is what I keep coming back to.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 04:36 AM
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109. A well thought out response
And I agree, sadly.
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 07:47 AM
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117. Assuming that he really had the power to pick who he wanted,
which is a big assumption.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 03:09 PM
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28. The promises came out of his own mouth.
that's enough to assign some blame to him, no?
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 11:47 AM
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137. Yes, but due to his naivete. He rode in on this notion that the Republicans/Blue Dog Democrats
shared his vision of making the country better. He forgotten how institutional constraints would tie his hands behind his back when it comes down to it.

I think that's his biggest mistake. But do I blame him 100%? No, the spineless Dems, the corporatists in the party, and the Republicans should accept much of that blame as well.

There's plenty of blame to go around.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 03:48 PM
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35. this guy is not gonna be that cynical or accept excuses
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 09:31 PM
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80. Wow! Who is that guy? I'd LOVE to vote for HIM. nt
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 06:29 PM
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53. always giving ground, never standing it even if you lose. I'm used
to that kind of president. There is such a thing as cultivating your base and not having staff kick them in the teeth. If Obama wasn't behind it he would have come out and apologized and kicked the offenders to the curb. He never did. Not standing up to the idiots is his problem alone and that is why I don't find him much anymore. I loved him and on some level I still do but I don't respect or trust him at all.
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cameozalaznick Donating Member (624 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 08:28 PM
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75. I would encourage you to rethink your position...
After all... You don't know what he's dealing with that we don't know about. I've been seeing something in the pictures that have been taken of him the last few days. There's almost an ethereal quality to his expression. I sometimes wonder if he's not seeing a bigger vision that we're not able to grasp.

And I know what you're thinking right about now... " don't give me that three-dimensional Vulcan chess bullshit."

None of us knows what the future holds and it's one of the things that makes life so interesting.

Of course, I happen to believe that we make our own reality, so I say, don't give up on your optimism and enthusiasm. In fact, I'm holding a vision that after the 2012 election, Obama comes out and gives the speech W gave about "I have political capital and I'm going to spend it." Turns out he was talking about privatizing SS and everyone said, "I don't think so."

But what if Obama did that, since he would never have to run again... But instead of blowing up SS, he used his power for good. Like taxing the rich and enacting a public option, or whatever. That's the vision I'm holding onto.

I plan to continue to support Obama, maybe not quite as enthusiastically as I once did, but I still believe in him. But even more important than Obama, when he makes that speech in 2012, I want a strong congress that has his back. That's where we need to spend our energy in the next two years. I have no doubt Obama will be reelected, but I'd like to get rid of some TP favorites in congress.

Who's with me?
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 09:34 PM
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81. Frankly, I more than half expect to hear that speech
just before he blows up SS.

And IMO, his history here kinda backs me up.
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lindaqqq Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 09:55 PM
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87. I don't know if many of us can hold on any longer
Every time I see the dems caving into the tea party nuts I just get more depressed.
Another year+?
I keep hoping for a ha-ha tricked you moment but it doesn't seem to come
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Matt Shapiro Donating Member (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 01:39 AM
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102. I, for one, am not with you.
Do you seriously think we should judge Obama on what you think you see in his facial expression? That is ridiculous!

You judge a sitting President on what he does.

His appointment of corporatists and war mongers as his closest advisers.

His shredding the Constitution with warrantless surveillance, torture (that which he supposedly ended), rendition, assassination as policy, engaging in acts of war without even consulting Congress. When it comes to civil liberties, he's Bush on steroids, but with a silver tongue and an interesting expression, so it's okay.

War, war, war and more war -- murdering civilians (excuse me, casualties), bankrupting the country, maiming and killing our own soldiers (excuse me, allowing to be killed & maimed) to further exactly what policy?

Enriching the health insurance industry, big pharma, and the private hospitals with enormous profits under the "historic" health insurance law that will force 20 to 30 million people (of the 50 million uninsured) to buy health insurance they can't afford to use because of the high deductibles and co-pays, with no effective control on premiums (and a couple of good reforms). What happened to the Senator Obama that supported universal single payer health care? He took it off the table before the table was set up, pretended to want a weak public option that would have been much too small to be effective, and secretly negotiated the deal that killed even that months before the vote actually took place. But he did have a very proud look on his face when he signed it into law.

Establishing and packing a deficit commission with people who, for the most part, wanted to gut social security, medicare and medicaid.

Agreeing to a "compromise" that continued the Bush tax cuts for the multi-millionaires and billionaires and began the defunding of social security by the "temporary" 2% cut in the FICA tax, setting the horrible precedent that social security funding is now to come partially from the general treasury, instead of being a completely self-supporting program.

Being the champion for privatizing public education, eliminating the grand equalizer in our society, and all the while enriching the CEOs of the private school industry with public money (as well as religious schools -- wall? what wall?).

And now, becoming the deficit hawk-in-chief. I know, he only gave the tea mongers 2/3 of what they wanted in this first go round, but did you listen to his pride in doing what's necessary to cut the evil deficit he allows to exist by gargantuan tax breaks for the rich, continuing loopholes that allow the largest corporations to pay little or no tax at all, and by not ending those trillion dollar WARS?!

This really is only a partial list. The point is that he is the President of the United States of America. Judge him on what he does, not on his smile, facial expression or style.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 10:44 AM
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 07:00 PM
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62. I think there's some truth to what you say, but he also went into the office
being very even tempered. He didn't twist arms like LBJ, or force his will on others like FDR.

If he went into office with a bit of fire in his gut, the same fire he showed on the campaign trail, he would of accomplished a lot more. We're too far into his presidency to get legislation as transforming as FDR did with Social Security or LBJ did with the Civil Rights legislation.

HCR was suppose to be his everlasting landmark, but he got hammered into submission and took away token promises that would of cost him nothing during the debates.

Giving single payers a seat at the table during HCR debates, even if he never intended to push for single payer, would of gone a long way towards a token gesture with the left, and it would of cost him nothing in the terms of political capital.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 09:37 PM
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82. Not to mention, that with single payer at the table it would lhave provided
a compromise fall-back to a strong public option.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 09:40 PM
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83. Exactly. We all know that Single Payer was never going to make it, but it could of been used as
a counter weight to anything the Republicans proposed.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 11:28 PM
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92. Fire. That's exactly what I called it too.
I kept saying to everyone that he lacked a fire. Even my 87 year old dad saw his lack of it. You don't come out of a bush misadministration and not have guns ablaze. Heads should have been rolling. Oh well...
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 07:55 PM
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68. The "institution and process" picked the Wall St. team/DLC-Rahm, etal -- ???
They made him do it, eh?

:eyes:
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 11:26 PM
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91. So true. Well, I voted Kucinich in the primary.
I honestly expected more right out of the gate. Oh well. For a brilliant man he sure is a let down. I kind of knew it. I saw him on the Daily Show, and that seemed to clinch his lack of progressive fire, in my opinion.

The country is getting what it deserves. Unfortunately, we're going down with them.
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Ramulux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 10:18 PM
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89. It has nothing to do with the process
and everything to do with Obama's actual policy positions. He has the same exact education agenda as Bush, has escalated failed wars, has cut $178.5 billion between last year and this year mostly in social programs that effect the poor and hungry, and failed to even engage in a debate over the Bush tax cuts. Those are all things he chose to do without anyone forcing him. The guy is a fucking sell-out.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 11:47 AM
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138. Obama is part of that institution and he is the head of that process now, is he not?
Where is the puck supposed to be stopping, if you don't mind me asking? If one is a willing participant in a system which is broken, the benefit of the doubt is removed.


I can't understand why some people have such hard time calling a spade a spade and instead perform all sort of mental gymnastics to prolong denial for as long as they can.

Don't get me wrong, from a personal stand point he seems like a very nice and amicable guy. I am sure he meant well. But it is his actions that count, not my perceived image of a man who I haven't met personally, when it comes to take an honest stock at his performance as president.
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 01:16 PM
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151. Uhm
I blame Evan Bayh and his blue dogs first and foremost. I have said this again and again and again but I don't think it is sinking in: The blue dogs hamstrung Obama in December of 2008 before he even took the oath of office.

They basically organized to block any legislation that was too progressive from moving or being considered. They were afraid of the blue wave from 2006 and 2008 undermining the power they had attained by sitting on the middle of the scale and collecting contributions.

So any legislation that was populist, progressive, inspiring, or that would have garnered PR victories was stuffed or dampened.

Some of Obama's picks for his advisors were in the DLC/blue dog camp and those that weren't were gradually wiped by one strange media attack or another.

But the Blue dogs destroyed themselves and what should have been a generational shift to the left by giving democrats nothing to run on. This depressed our own turn out in 2010 when the repukes were on the rise and the Blue dogs prevention of a coherent alternative to insanity once more cost us the win.

I really only fault President Obama just a little for the current mess.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 04:51 PM
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157. Ah. This is also why I tend to not blame Obama.
I also recall the way Congress sat on their asses instead of letting Obama have his way. I just tend to forget very quickly until reminded. Thanks for that reminder.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 02:30 PM
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16. Bernanke, Summers, Paulson, Geithner need to be there standing with him.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 11:55 PM
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95. Dont leave out his buddy Immelt. nm
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 06:22 AM
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111. and Duncan and Rhee
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 02:32 PM
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17. No flames here. That is spot on
and an awesome cartoon. So here's a K/R
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Cirque du So-What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 02:40 PM
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18. Good job
If only we can sustain this wave of pessimism for another year-and-a-half, we'll guarantee that apathy will carry the day and the Republican will get elected to the highest office in the land.
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howaboutme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 02:41 PM
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19. Do progessives need their own Tea Party?
It could serve to either wrest influence or control from the DLC, or to join others of like mind (independents) who believe that leading America is about advancing the USA for the benefit of most Americans, and that reducing debt also means restoring revenue from billionaires and that these perpetual wars are destroying us.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 02:59 PM
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21. I get the sense that they could not organize a little girl's tea party.
But to be fair, the actual right wing Tea Party did not organize itself either.

The Corporate GOP built it from the ground up as a re-branding effort for the GOP's far right wing. The Tea Party nuts will be allowed to run amok for a while because they'll hurt they economy and the middle class in the short term, but the corporate leaders of the GOP will maintain a relatively short lease.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 06:08 PM
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51. What a crock.
First I love how you use the word "THEY"...

Second maybe it's because you aren't one of "THEM" that you have no idea about places like this:

http://www.usuncut.org /

Progressives organize just fine. Too bad you aren't one of "THEM".
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HankyDubs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 07:45 PM
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65. its a good point
There are several posters on DU that think of democrats as the enemy at this point.
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howaboutme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 12:08 AM
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97. Point taken, but the issue is not the Party being the enemy as much
as is the Party and Obama a strong ally?

Obama in the eyes of many has gone from real hope and change to sell out and disappointment. Why? The lack of aggressive leadership for single payer health care was disappointing enough, but now you have the tax cuts for the rich, the budget cuts for poor (because of the tax cuts for rich) and a new costly Libyan War potentially involving ground troops. The Middle East countries should have taken the lead in this civil war not the USA. We have no idea what these rebels represent other than they oppose Qaddafi. It was no more of our business than many of the other civil wars around the world.

I'm actually a progressive registered as Independent so I'm not hung up on Parties. Truthfully I see them as more of a problem than solution.
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2banon Donating Member (794 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 12:00 PM
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143. Any Calls for a General Strike on the 15th?
Searched but may have missed it.. and this is the first I've read of it, thanks for posting.
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ProfessionalLeftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 06:21 PM
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52. The Tealiban was built by the Koch Brothers
Posted this yesterday but seems no one is seeing or reading it. It's a very detailed rundown of what we're up against here:

http://www.americanprogressaction.org/issues/2011/04/pd...
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 07:57 PM
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69. Koch Bros. Funded the DLC --
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 07:57 PM
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70. I think that is basically what I said.
The left wing is about as likely to organize itself as they Tea Party was.

The Tea Party is a CREATION of the GOP, and nothing more. And the angry left, is no closer to organizing their own "Tea Party".
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 09:41 PM
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84. Right. Because unionists and socialists know nothing about organizing. nt
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howaboutme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 12:45 AM
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100. I'm probably wrong but didn't the
original Tea Party come from a very fractured diverse group of frustrated individuals who had a long standing but increasing belief that the DC politicians weren't listening to the people?

As I recollect the roots of this group were established by the Ron Paul supporters (Revolution). There was a huge Ron Paul segment that were mavericks to both Parties and they were already organized more as Independents that opposed the wars and foreign aid and other anti-establishment ideas. They may have had a Republican bent but were not war mongerng/corporate/neocon Republicans. When Ron Paul didn't run many in this group remained outside of the GOP fold and many may have even voted Obama based upon hope and change.

Then in the post Nov 2008 election interim period we had the bailout by Bush and Paulson assisted by Obama and Geithner and that upset many fiscal conservatives and brought out their anger and the beginning of the organization. Rick Rick Santelli on CNBC had an on air rant about the need for a Boston Tea Party because of all the money and debt that they said was outrageously being spent. That soon turned into a huge disorganized anti Wall Street, anti-banker Tea Party that actually worried the GOP and Democratic Party because it threatened the status quo. The Parties had always been able to maintain a propaganda hold on their minions and now they had a massively angry bunch of fiscal conservatives who were blaming the banksters potentially going 3rd Party and that scared the hell out of the PTB. Slowly but surely Freedomworks headed by Koch and Armey infiltrated and organized a segment of the TP to "disarm and neuter" them to be obedient corporatists. That hijacking by Koch was what brought the TP more into the traditional GOP fold by Nov 2010. The Dems and media tried to portray the TP as racist idiots to discredit and weaken them. Instead the Dems could have been smart and brought many of them into the Party fold.

There are still many maverick Tea Party types out there that are fiscal conservatives but liberal in many other aspects. As Thom Hartmann recently alluded this is where common interest lies.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 04:43 AM
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110. I still call them teabaggers because, well, if you're just that dumb.....
But that's the second best name I've heard for them.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 01:46 AM
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104. That's so ridiculous. The majority of grassroots organizing in this party
is done by progressives.

There is no MoveON organized by conservative Democrats or ThinkProgress or MediaMatters or DFA.

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2banon Donating Member (794 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 11:54 AM
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141. Little girl's tea party
As someone who self-identifies as a Leftist Progressive, (not Liberal) I have to agree. Oh there's a lot of hand wringing, and fervent whispers suggesting action, but where's the call for a National General Strike to address the list of basic grievances just for openers?

Nothing but the sound of crickets..

I guess waiting until our patron saint in the WH herds us all off the cliff before people will wake up and realize that action needs to be taken far in advance of the next "election".

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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 03:03 PM
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22. It certainly looks that way... but won't happen, because "progressives" see no need to inlcude the
heart of their base... poor people.
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libmom74 Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 03:35 PM
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32. Unfortunately
the word "progressive" has been rebranded to mean anything but. The current policies of this administration and the Democrats going along with the Republinazi framing that the deficit is the fault of the poor and working class and the budget must therefore be balanced on their backs (while at the same time lowering even further the taxes of the wealthy and wealthy corporations) is about as anti-progressive as you can get. As a true liberal/progressive I can't support any Democrat (Obama included) that votes to destroy our social safety nets while cutting taxes for millionaires and billionaires. "At least we're not as bad as the Republicans" just doesn't motivate me as a voter when I know that if elected Obama will just capitulate to all of their demands anyway. My hope is a true progressive challenger will step forward and primary him, I think in the current political climate a lot of people would vote for a real progressive (with a proven record).
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 09:47 PM
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85. You're singing my song! Thank you!
Edited on Sun Apr-10-11 09:49 PM by bobbolink
So few get this reality.

Many poor people have given up hope that there is any way left to survive. :cry:

:yourock: :hi:
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2banon Donating Member (794 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 12:09 PM
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146. I think you mean Liberals "don't include poor people"...
Progressives are very very much the Number One Allie of "Poor People". This is Class Warfare. Liberals are on the side of the Wealthy Class just as Conservatives are, and that's why we're in this f#cked up mess to begin with.
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DeadEyeDyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 11:34 PM
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93. I think you are on to something...
that is what we lack. A movement based not on party but on ideology. A march strictly based on values. It is so important that the American people understand that there are people out there that understand there thinking. A group of people that, when they march and are on TV, the peopple say "Hell Yeah".
That is what the teaparty did. That is what we need to do.

Where is our walk on Washington?
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howaboutme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 12:22 AM
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99. You are right there are "Hell Yeah" issues that have common interest
There are many issues that the left and independents and even some in the non-corporate wing of the TP could get together on that are very important "Hell Yeah" issues as you said. Those are issues such as un-fair trade, voting machines that have receipts and are auditable, ending corporate welfare, ending wars, reducing our imperialistic military, fair tax rates for high dollar and billionaires, consumer protection, ending foreign aid, estate tax, Department of Homeland Security and TSA, corporate tax scofflaws, etc.

There are also issues that are not "Hell Yeah" issues (and they may be hell no for some) and those are the ones that the media typically uses to drive a wedge between Independents and Democrats such as choice, gay marriage, illegal immigration amnesty, etc

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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 02:53 PM
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20. No flames. Just a weary shake of the head and an unrec.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 03:43 PM
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34. ditto-
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golddigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 03:06 PM
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24. Sad to say, spot on!
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 03:08 PM
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25. LOL
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 03:08 PM
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26. No flame here. It is what it is.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 08:03 PM
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71. "It is what it is" -- that's basically the message Obama's first campaign video.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 03:23 PM
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29. Nailed It.
In the recent "Budget Negotiations",
Obama completely endorsed the Republican Framework.
The RICH deserve MORE money,
and The Working class & The Poor should pay for it!

----co-signed by President Obama & the "Centrist" Dem Leadership




He did NOT disagree on principle,
but only dithered about How Much More Wealth to be transferred to the RICH.


"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone


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Poboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 03:27 PM
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30. Recommend!
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 03:33 PM
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31. Recommend
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Search4Justice Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 03:41 PM
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33. It might be funny...
... if it weren't so close to the truth. Reccomended.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 03:55 PM
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36. Hey, no flames from me.
I keep wondering how soon he starts giving away more of my right to choose - the right I and other women I knew cared deeply about and personally fought for, a few decades ago.

My conservative father-in-law was a doctor. And it surprised me one day to learn that he was pro-choice. He'd had an incident years earlier that found him driving a dying woman to the hospital in the back of his car. She was hemorrhaging from a botched back alley abortion. It convinced him that abortions are here to stay whether you approve or not, and they might as well be safe and legal.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 05:53 PM
Response to Reply #36
43. Cider House Rules by John Irving
is an excellent book. Much better than the movie.
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jimlup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 04:04 PM
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37. He He He....
I thnk it is spot on!
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 04:09 PM
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38. So true
Sadly, sadly true.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 05:47 PM
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39. Deleted message
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Logical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 05:49 PM
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41. Wow, nice comment. Cuss words always seem to help the cause. n-t
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 05:53 PM
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42. Apparently, it was already anticipated. n/t
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Logical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 06:02 PM
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47. Countering his point might help your cause more! n-t
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 06:03 PM
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48. There comes a point when it's absurd to counter the absurd. n/t
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Logical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 06:53 PM
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60. And that is why someone made a whole political cartoon about it because there is no truth in it???
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 09:19 PM
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79. Yep, more unreasonable crap
from the unrealistic less than 13% who really aren't Democrats anyway.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 11:56 PM
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96. So do you have a point or no?? nm
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 05:49 PM
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40. How else can we feel?
Really.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 05:55 PM
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44. Flames?
On New DU?

:rofl:
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 06:30 AM
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112. Exactly.
Obama is the New Enemy of the New DU.

This fucking place needs more than an enema.

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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 06:01 PM
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45. I wonder if the president's face was removed if there'd be wires and Disney animatron stuff in there
Edited on Sun Apr-10-11 06:02 PM by valerief
The president sure isn't the presidential campaigner.
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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 06:01 PM
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46. Thanks, I needed that.
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 06:05 PM
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49. Yep!
And is it authentic? I doubt it passes the sniff test.

K&R
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 06:07 PM
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50. Ow... That's Gotta Hurt...
:wow:

:kick: & Rec!!!
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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 06:37 PM
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54. If only any of it gets through the bubble and frankly,
even if it did I doubt it'd have any impact on him with what now appears to me to be an over-inflated ego who actually believes his shit and is content with this contempt of progressives. It's allllll us -- we didn't get our ponies and we're whining. What a crock. Sad, sad, sad. All the many open possibilities trashed.

:cry: :grr:




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ejbr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 06:38 PM
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55. k & r !! n/t
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 06:43 PM
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56. K&R!!!



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hulka38 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 06:45 PM
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57. Awesome!
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rury Donating Member (629 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 06:51 PM
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58. That's what I say to:
1)members of the Democratic Congress who won't back him up the way Republikkants back their presidents.
2) "progressives" who didn't vote last November because they wanted to "teach Obama a lesson" you sob's help elect a Rethug Tea party Congress and now he HAS to compromise.
3)Conservative Democrats who would not vote to decouple the middle-class tax cuts from those for the wealthy, AGAIN forcing President Obama to compromise with Rethugs

Consider yourself flamed and BURNED for not putting the blame where it truly belongs!
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 11:37 AM
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133. "and now he HAS to compromise" - Did GITMO close and
I didn't hear about it?

This doesn't require Congress.
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trud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 12:38 PM
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148. rury
Hmm, before last November he denied he'd said he'd work for the public option He'd done nothing about the environment. He approved the continuation of torture. Somehow I don't think Congress sent those planes into Libya. And he has his ear glued to Hillary I Never Met A War I didn't Like Clinton.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 03:07 PM
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154. It was mostly Independents who stayed home, not progressives
And in Blue Dog areas, people just could not bring themselves to vote Republican/lite again since they mostly voted with Republicans anyhow. You can't have it both ways. People blame the Blue Dogs for Obama's failure to get real Health Care reform, then slam those who would no longer support them.

The sad thing is progressives always vote, but they get the blame when Democrats fail to do the job they were elected to do. Obama could not have won with just progressives, he needed Independents and they are the demographic he is mostly losing and lost last November.

So, let the Dem Leadership continue to ignore the real reason they lost, it was about ISSUES, and keep blaming progressives and in the end they may actually lose progressives also.

How about dealing with what would change everything right now?? A Democrat working to protect the American people from Corporate corruption and greed? Was that too much to ask?
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Terra Alta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 06:52 PM
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59. Describes my feelings exactly.
I admit, I got a good laugh out of that.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 06:54 PM
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61. President Obama is
a sellout

Best Republican President EVER!!!

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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 07:03 PM
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63. Really? Flames?
Surely you knew what a big hit you would be posting this. You needn't be shy about it and pretend you're going out on a limb.

Julie
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 07:06 PM
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64. Love it!
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 07:54 PM
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66. So who are our contenders for 2012?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 07:54 PM
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67. Oh, yeah -- !!! Sadly true -- !!! Very sadly true -- !!
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They_Live Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 08:07 PM
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72. Recommend
Still waiting to see the guy I helped elect appear in the Oval office. He's sold us out. The extension of tax cuts for the wealthy was the final straw for me. He actually gave them more of a cut and imposed an increase on the poorest Americans, while cutting social services. We're fucked, my future is fucked, my child's future is fucked. I've been looking for a job for 4 years and now my state is primed to have an additional 350,000 unemployed looking for work.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 09:49 PM
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86. And he did that AFTER Boehner said publicly that the Rebugs
were willing to let the upper tier tax custs lapse, in order to preserve the middle-class tax cuts.

B: We want 65/35, but will agree to 55/45.

O: No, way. We want 30% and that's my final offer!
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 11:36 PM
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94. Regarding that tax cut: It was pointed out that it would be less of a tax break
than the tax break originally packed into the Recovery bill at the beginning of his term in office... AND yes, my mother noticed she's getting less pay now that the crucial tax cut for middleclass went thru.. like other's pointed out, taking a cut on the social security pay out would actually not be the same as the tax cut from the Recovery bill and working/ middleclass people would see less in their paycheck... Guess what, she noticed. I'm sure others are as well.. So doing a tax cut on social security.. Sets up social security to fail, while not creating a tax cut as good as the original he got... So, why was it important that the rich got the same exact tax cut they've had for 10yrs?
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 08:08 PM
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73. Time for me to eat crow. I said after many broken campaign promises
and un-Democratic actions by this POTUS, that I would not vote for him. But I will. Unless there is a reasonable, DEMOCRATIC challenger, I will vote for him because of the Supreme Court. The rest of his stuff has been completely Republican. What a disappointment, but I will vote for him.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 08:16 PM
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74. ...
:rofl:

no flames from me. I wonder what the 'new word' will be this time around.....
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 08:45 PM
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76. Spot on
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 09:17 PM
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77. RACIST!
:sarcasm:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 09:18 PM
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78. Deleted message
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 09:57 PM
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88. No flame throwing here. That cartoon is spot on. n/t
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 11:22 PM
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90. If he needs a Democratic Party membership card I'll gladly give him mine. I haven't had
much use for it lately.

REC.
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 12:12 AM
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98. Good luck
i don't think republicans carry that card. i know it sounds crazy - but i think our Dem leader is actually a republican! look at his policies - look at how he agrees with them about almost EVERYTHING. it's sickening. the only reason i don't think people see it is that they have been distracted by foxnoise and their screaming "keenyan socialist" all the time. what a load of shit we've been served as a country - and as progressives with what WERE traditionally Dem values! :mad:
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pengillian101 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 12:48 AM
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101. Good one!
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walerosco Donating Member (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 01:46 AM
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103. i chuckled
K & R
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 01:58 AM
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105. Truth is an absolute defense against flamebots.

Light versus heat.

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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 02:00 AM
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106. Exactly on point! nt
:thumbsup:
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 04:33 AM
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107. Not from me, you won't
It's painfully funny in its correctness.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 04:35 AM
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108. KNR!
;)
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ctwayne Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 07:10 AM
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113. Obama is to the Right of Ronnie Raygun
As far as I can tell, Obama is a Raygun Democrat, expect that Ronnie Raygun was far more cautious than Obama in the use of military force. Raygun's big military adventure was the invasion of the tiny island nation of Grenada.
Before Obama is through, Social Security and Medicare will be gutted, and we will return to the days of Herbert Hoover and William McKinley.
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 11:38 AM
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134. +1
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disillusioned73 Donating Member (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 07:11 AM
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114. K to the R..
:dem:
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pmorlan1 Donating Member (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 07:42 AM
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115. lol
Love it!
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 07:44 AM
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116. I see others laughing at this....I am extremely saddened
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mochajava666 Donating Member (771 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 08:14 AM
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118. +1
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matt819 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 09:21 AM
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119. Flame Kpete? Perish the thought!
What I keep trying to remember is that picture of Obama during the campaign with the caption, Chill Out. I got it. Or something like that. Yeah, yeah, I know he's done a lot. Sure. Great. But in the great capitalist system, I have to ask, what have you done for me lately. I want to believe that Obama has our backs. He has a plan. The Chicago pol has something up his sleeve. Somehow I think I'm dreaming if I think there's a gotcha moment coming. The gotcha is on us.

Sure, if he's the candidate, I'll vote for him, and I'll do that only partly because I have become a yellow dog democrat. But if there's a primary challenge, I'll sure want to hear what the other guy has to say.
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2banon Donating Member (794 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 12:25 PM
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147. Yellow Dog Democrat?
I thought Yellow Dog Democrats were otherwise referred to as Dixiecrats aka Confederates? :shrug:

Has the vernacular acquired a different meaning today?
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matt819 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 02:25 PM
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152. From Wikipedia
I fall into the latter half:

From Wikipedia: Yellow Dog Democrats was a term applied to U.S. Southern voters who voted solely for Democratic candidates, with the term commencing in the late 19th century. Due to Republican president Abraham Lincoln's leading the Union against the Confederacy, these voters would allegedly "vote for a yellow dog before they would vote for any Republican".<1><2> Currently, the term is now more generally applied to refer to any Democrat who will vote a straight Party ticket under any circumstances.
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2banon Donating Member (794 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 11:39 PM
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159. i gotcha....n/t
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 09:38 AM
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121. "Hope Less"
"Change More."
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 09:49 AM
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122. No flames here! Thank you!
:kick:
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felix_numinous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 10:10 AM
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123. Thanks kpete
a dialogue about 2012 needs to start now.


My biggest concern in a nutshell: The RW takeover of the country is still going on. We are fools to play nice --again-- while they rip this country to shreds!! The RW coup is stealing our wealth, rewriting our Constitution and destroying our infrastructure we built over the last 50 years.

WE have to MATCH THEIR FORCE by an equal and opposite force. Our solidarity, our unions, our inclusiveness to ALL groups, our sheer numbers have got to be in the streets from now until election day--DEMANDING REPRESENTATION--because right now we have very little!!!


ENOUGH LIES.

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protect our future Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 10:16 AM
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124. I've long considered Obama as the best hope
of the Democratic Party and, despite all the criticism, have been thankful that he is our president. I planned on volunteering again for his re-election. But if he caves on Planned Parenthood, that's the end -- done -- finished -- over -- and I know plenty of others who will feel the same way. I'll spend my time instead in a 24-7 effort begging Hillary to please run again and primary him out. Maybe.

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Logical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 10:48 AM
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126. I will vote for him 100%. Not work for him again. Feel duped. n-t
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 11:44 AM
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135. I will join you on that begging. Not that I'm a Hillary fan,
but this bait and switch which Obama did is so egregious to me, that I will not reward him in any way in 2012.

Rachel had a good point recently: The leadership will take the base for granted as long as the base allows it.

Done and looking forward to 2016 -- unless O sees a primary.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 12:01 PM
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144. Indeed.
As a former republican and member of the board of Walmart, I am sure Hillary will make an even corporatist hawk.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 10:45 AM
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125. KR more of a fire hose.
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Duppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 11:18 AM
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128. Love it !! n2doc posted it last Friday
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ReturnoftheDjedi Donating Member (839 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 11:22 AM
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129. He will win, despite the 309 who oppose him here. Millions will support him.
How do you like them apples?
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 12:02 PM
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145. When you win by default because the opposition is even shittier...
... you're not supposed to gloat.

Just a FYI.
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 11:27 AM
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130. Says it all, doesn't it. He did say he admired Reagan,
didn't he?
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 11:27 AM
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131. Both Funny as Hell and Sad as Hell at the same time. Genius. nt
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Doc Martin Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 11:33 AM
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132. K&R
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 11:46 AM
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136. For later . . . since, as usual, I can't see shit.
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Chris_Texas Donating Member (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 11:49 AM
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139. Perfect!
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salib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 11:51 AM
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140. Remember not long ago many were predicting the end of the Repug party?
Well, instead we have a more demoralized Democratic Party than at ANY time I can recall, and totally disaffected liberals.

I guess they are still wining.
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Dokkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 11:57 AM
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142. my hope is
that he reinvents himself before 2012 and this time speeches wont do it. We need to see firing onf death weights and corporatist and the full implementation of the promises made during 2008 campaighn with as liitle to no compromise as possible. I know he still has a little bit of political capital left from passing the tax cut for the rich
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 03:40 PM
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156. it's a cryin' shame...a fookin' cryin' shame.
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