Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Why republicans like the idea of "Medicare Vouchers"

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » General Discussion Donate to DU
 
SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 08:14 AM
Original message
Why republicans like the idea of "Medicare Vouchers"
Edited on Mon Apr-04-11 08:24 AM by SoCalDem
Insurance companies are shitting bricks right about now when they look forward.. Boomers have ALWAYS "used" their services in large numbers as we worked...and now as we start to retire, we are saying "adios" and embracing Medicare.. Many of us will buy their "supplementals", but not all of us, and many more will take the el-cheapo plans they offer.

Republicans love the idea of keeping their biggest donors solvent..

Generations after us are smaller and more likely to work for less wages, and many are unable to afford ANY of their "offerings"

They have scrambled the golden eggs and are preparing to eat the goose :)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 08:23 AM
Response to Original message
1. Actually, there is a much bigger reason they like Medicare Vouchers -- over time, it ends Medicare.
And I don't just mean ends Medicare as a public program -- it ends help to seniors for healthcare entirely.

Why? Because the vouchers (in their plan) are only set to grow at normal inflation -- NOT medical inflation. That means that the value of the voucher (relative to the cost of treatment) will decrease exponentially year after year, until it is basically worthless.

Think about it this way. What would happen if you put 100 dollars under your mattress now, and then took it out in 30 years? What would you be able to buy? Probably not even a fast food meal. What about in 60 years? Probably not even 2 gallons of milk.

That is what will happen to Medicare. In 30 years, 60 years, etc, the money Seniors get won't even be able to pay for a doctor's appointment.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 08:36 AM
Response to Reply #1
4. Of course. This is the end game. Finish off SS and Medicare by defunding it
and then turning around and saying "See, we told you it doesn't work!" The Conservatives in the UK tried the same thing a few years back but there was a real backlash.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 04:52 PM
Response to Reply #4
8. and they are anticipating a senate takeover in '12 and an even bigger majority
Edited on Mon Apr-04-11 04:52 PM by SoCalDem
by '15 (after the '14 elections), so they know it's safe to float this trial balloon now, so people are used to the idea by the time they have the power.

They also know that once something is taken away, it's nearly impossible to get it back.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 08:27 AM
Response to Original message
2. Wasn't it Rand Paul who suggested a $2,000 deductible per year for Medicare?
For the first time, I am beginning to think that this go-round the RW will actually WIN! I had hoped that Independents would rise up in revolt, but I think that even they have been drinking the Kool Aid. They'll win it with all their blather on social issues. I'm depressed just thinking about it...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 08:29 AM
Response to Reply #2
3. Yep.. and he's a DOCTOR.. (of course one of his operations costs more than that)
even though he created the board who certified him :rofl:


It will be just like the school voucher crap.. a coupon for bargain basement care, that most people will probably not have the energy to track down.. more dead elders, less SS money to pay out.. repubs love it
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 08:39 AM
Response to Reply #3
5. I'm going to tell my former co-worker, a self styled "conservative,"
about the Rand Paul idea and suggest to her that surely her elderly (and very poor) mother could afford a $2,000 deductible, and if she couldn't, then the rest of the family would just have to pitch in. "It's not fair that I should pay for your mother's Medicare!" I'd like to see the look on her face if I had the nerve to say that to her...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 11:27 AM
Response to Reply #5
7. Do it. Say it.
She needs to hear back at her what she, and those of her ilk, are essentially saying to the rest of us.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 08:57 AM
Response to Original message
6. Another reason, usually "vouchers" are a promise to take the
cost off the tax bill at tax time, the Senior has to pay the costs upfront out of their social security. Most Seniors don't make enough for the voucher to have any effect on their taxes which is often very little anyway.
We bought a new furnace but had no use for the energy tax credit for this reason. You can't reduce what you don't owe because you don't make enough to pay much in taxes at all.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 06:37 PM
Response to Reply #6
9. Absolutely true. Our accountant said we don't need any more tax credits because we
don't earn that much money any more. Great. As a matter of fact, we may pay our outstanding oil heating bill out of our refund (which is usually used to pay for repairs/maintenance). It's ove $10,000 this year (the refund not the heating bill!)...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Tue Oct 21st 2014, 01:26 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » General Discussion Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC