South Dakota takes giant step back into the Dark Ages then giggles

[ensho]

http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2011/03/24/south-dakota-what-hell-they-thinking


South Dakota: What the Hell Are They Thinking?

Now that South Dakota has actually passed legislation requiring every woman seeking an abortion to be ‘counseled’ by a Fake Clinic, it’s obvious that, in all fairness, every pregnant woman who is considering having a baby has to be counseled at an abortion clinic. Of course that wouldn't make any sense because, unlike the Fake Clinics, abortion clinics don't have an agenda for the patient except that she make the best decision for herself!

-long snip detailing how the fake clinics scare and brainwash women-

With all this evidence, and the founder of this movement himself acknowledging that the purpose of these facilities is to deceive women, what are we to think about legislators who would intentionally subject even one woman to this travesty?

Can it be that they actually hate us because someone told them that Eve was to blame for all the problems in the world? If anyone had any doubts that the recent insane barrage of anti abortion legislation in state after state is based in total disrespect for women, this should make it clear. It truly is a War Against Women.

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yes, it truly is a war against women

shame on South Dakota

[orwell]

1. South Dakotans...

...keep electing these people to state offices. In the end it comes down to the voters.

[starroute]

2. There's something I don't understand legally

Can just anybody in South Dakota set themselves up as an crisis pregnancy center and offer whatever kind of advice seems appropriate to them?

Or is there some kind of state licensing procedure that says, "Must be a fundie whackjob to qualify"?

If there is, that's clearly unconstitutional.

But if there isn't, what's to stop just anyone from hanging out their shingle and listing themselves in the Yellow Pages?

Perhaps all this is defined in the bill (since I know that ALEC pays people to figure out this sort of thing) but I'm really puzzled over how they'd word it.

[ensho]

3. good questions - hope we get some answers

nt

[Shallah Kali]

16. apparently that is what happens

since these Christian clinics rarely have actual medical personnel (nurse, doctor, psychologist, etc) they are not bound by hipaa privacy laws and have been known to call up womens homes and tell anyone who answers that they are thinking of an abortion and encourage them to stop them. shit like that. a few cities have tried to pass laws requiring the centers to have signs up saying what the do and don't do so women coming in won't be tricked. I think New York succeeded

[felix_numinous]

4. I hope that the aftermath

--and there will be one--gets reported and recorded so that the rest of the country can learn, again, why abortion became legal in the first place.

[BlueIris]

5. ITA. Disturbing outcomes are inevitable at this point,

and I hope America at large has to look the victims and their grieving families in the face and justify it.

[felix_numinous]

6. It happened before, there were some high profile cases

that changed the discourse on the subject, like the woman who bled to death in a hotel, someone from DU posted about it, claiming to be her relative. It was a high profile case that turned the tide.

It would be great to revisit these cases, and hail out a warning.

http://www.now.org/issues/abortion/120904women-who-died.html

[dembotoz]

7. a republican jobs program

we won't discriminate, but rational people need not apply


"And Susie, what does your mommy do?"
"Oh she gets paid to lie to desparate pregnant woman"

[LuvNewcastle]

8. Someone should sponsor a bill providing for

a baby sales tax. A lot of money changes hands when white babies are born to these distressed women. The mother gets paid thousands of dollars and the Fake Clinics get a finder's fee which is often as much or more than the amount given to the mothers. There's a lot of money to be made in the baby market, and the state should get its cut as well.

[Shallah Kali]

9. Kathryn Joyce wrote about coercive adoptions at crisis pregnancy centers for The Nation

Shotgun Adoption:
Christian agencies lavish support services on pregnant women--if they give up their babies.
http://www.thenation.com/article/shotgun-adoption


if ya'll haven't read it before please do now.

BTW Bethany has 3 centers in South Dakota http://www.bethany.org/southdakota

[Evolve_Already]

10. Good link

Perhaps folks will check out her book on the "Quiverful" movement as well.

Poor poor misguided women.

[Shallah Kali]

11. Oh gosh yes that

and I also suggest this blog by women who left the Quiverfull movement:

No Longer Quivering
http://nolongerquivering.com/

Vyckie Garrison started No Longer Quivering to tell the story of her “escape” from the Quiverfull movement.

Over time, NLQ has developed into a valuable resource of information regarding the deceptions and dangers of the Quiverfull philosophy and lifestyle. Several more former QF adherents are now contributing their stories to NLQ and our collective voice makes these Quiverfull warnings impossible to dismiss or ignore.

NLQ is a gathering place for women escaping and recovering from spiritual abuse.

[Evolve_Already]

12. Yes mam

I am very familiar with Vyckie Garrison and her blog. It has evolved quite nicely in the last couple of years. However, still the ladies are far from being radical feminists though (but I reckon THAT is not their goal). Too much 'what-about-the-menz' still quite prevelent.

[Shallah Kali]

14. For them to even think of doing anything for themselves is a miracle

to have any sort of worth after being brought up in a religious culture of that sort or even after choosing to join it and getting sucked in to the point that some wrote of praying laying face on the ground begging their god to break their will so they could be properly submissive wives :hides: just reading about it gives me the horrors - to break out of that with any sort of will is simply amazing wonderful. I am so glad others know of and pay attention to this religious movement. It is so harmful to everyone especially the women and kids. So many people look at the Duggars and just see the surface happy family and some just mock but there is so much more to the quiverful mentality...

[Evolve_Already]

17. Quite correct.

When Vyckie was interviewed on the Joy Behard show, I noted a brief rise in curiosity. BUT with shows like 'Sister Wives' being a GD train wreck people cannot avoid, I just do not know if we are moving forward. They glamorous this lifestyle to the point most women will believe this is mainstream.

[slackmaster]

13. Wasn't there a story sort of like that in The Onion recently?

http://www.theonion.com/video/oklahoma-doctors-can-legally-pretend-to-give-abort,19425/

[Shallah Kali]

15. the not-funny thing about that is that one state tried to allowed doctors to lie to women

if the fetus had a birth defect that might cause the woman to choose to abort. can't remember which state or if it passed, dang brain work dagnabit...

google found it:


Shocking Law: Doctors Now Allowed to Keep Information About Birth Defects from Women in Order to Stop Abortions
In addition to a law that requires women view ultrasounds before their abortions, Oklahoma now shields doctors who hide information about birth defects from malpractice suits.
April 28, 2010
http://www.alternet.org/reproductivejustice/146662/oklahoma_passes_country%27s_most_restrictive_anti-abortion_laws




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