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upstatecajun Donating Member (511 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 11:32 AM
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Budget protests also about fear of losing the American Dream
WASHINGTON -- The bitter fight over union pay and benefits in states such as Ohio and Wisconsin is more than a clash over an annual budget.

It's a sign of a country wrestling with fundamental change as it leaves the familiar moorings of the 20th century and struggles to forge a new economic and political order.

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2011/03/budget_protests_also_about_fea.html
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 11:36 AM
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1. Reagan voodoo trickle down economics in full swing.
"Working people have been watching their paychecks stagnate or shrink since the 1980s. Health care costs have been rising steadily. Jobs have been migrating overseas. The dream of upward mobility has slipped from many people's grasp. The rules seem to be changing."
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 11:38 AM
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2. Not only working people. Retired people also. The fixed
income just cannot keep pace with the price of necessities...and the fixed income has been fixed in stone for almost 3 years.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 12:48 PM
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5. Exactly! I've been watching costs creep up here all over the place, gas, insurance, food,
everything, and yet we are told inflation is in check, and those of us on fixed income should be so happy. The BS is astounding.

These guys, all of them, all parties, are riding by the seat of their pants. None of them know how to fix this economy and many of them are just selling out to their wealthy buddies and those that got them into office with big bucks. At least that's what I'm thinking.

Most Americans are not members of the political big money club, much as George Carlin said.



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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 12:18 PM
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3. It's a sign of a country wrestling with fundamental change as it leaves the familiar moorings
of the 20th century and struggles to forge a New World Order.

PNAC is right on track - globalization, American hegenomy, US military imperialism.

We no longer teach real history in this country - generations of Americans simply don't know the fate of ALL empires.
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MITCH_ Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 12:35 PM
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4. How we got there. What needs to be done now.
The American DEBT, and what must be done.

Jefferson once said that leaving the next generation with the debt of the present, was irresponsible, But as I will show you history not only agree's with his statement, leaving the debt to our children and grandchildren is just plain mean.

After the War for our Independence, which would have never happened without the aid of the French military, The United States had a debt that grew to 75 million in 1789, Our Forefathers could not accept this debt that would be left for following generations and worked to reduce the debt to zero by the 1830's.

The Civil War almost bankrupt America, but again the Presidents worked hard to bring that debt in order.

1913 and the Income tax implemented by President Wilson aided to our involvement in WW1.

The Great depression of 1929 was another blow to our economy, But by the time WW2 erupted, Americans bought WAR Bonds by the billions as a responsible way to pay that debt off. Not today people.

In 1945 almost 100% of our debt was American owned.

Vietnam another mess, added to our debt, But we were still a manufacturing Nation of great exports. Tough times ahead with the Arab oil embargo yes, But we were working on controlling the debt.

Now for the TRUTH about our modern debt! and you CONS will not accept this because it hurts, and you played a big role in it. SE, you can sit back and watch and feel good you weren't a player.

1980 The Nations debt before Reaganomic's was 909 billion dollars, By the time he left office, America was addicted to spending with a debt of 2.6 TRILLION dollars. You might say he ended the cold war, Big deal Russia was more scared of us then we were of them. That spending at the time and big tax cuts for the wealthy were called by Bush I Voodoo economics, and was the beginning of our out of control fiscal irresponsibility.

Funny when Bush I was elected he wasn't much better at controlling the debt than Reagan,the debt would rise to approx.4 Trillion. You think someone got to him like they are now doing with Obama?

In 1992 Ross Perot along with most American's called for fiscal responsibility and Clinton won the Presidency, pretty much knowing that the American people, like myself had had enough, and wanted a Balanced budget.

Clinton knew he had to make tough decisions and cutting spending or raising taxes were about the only two ways he would achieve a balanced budget.

Certainly not giving Big Tax breaks to the top 5%.

Now some would say that stealing from trust funds such as SS helped him achieve this, This has been going on well before Clinton and every President has done this since, Sad but true. should not be allowed, but you know how it is in Washington.

But he did balance the budget and came up with a plan to pay down our debt, for the next 20 years, That is if Bush II would have continued it.

Bush II admitted he was only B student in economics, But an A student in his own words at giving tax cuts to the American people. (The Wealthiest did the best) TAX CUT'S during a WAR! when Bush II left office he never looked back at the 10+ TRILLION dollar debt, NO REGRETS!

This is all true guys You must remember I was there tracking this stuff. Since Reagan. It's just history.

Does anyone remember after Clinton balanced the budget the Debt Clock was shut off for a few years because it couldn't go backwards, that didn't last long after Bush got in office, It was started again.

When Bush II took office we had a debt of approx. 5 Trillion dollars. Bush got it running again faster than all Presidents that came before him. And he didn't care about the future debt left for the next generations. No regrets Remember!

By 2004 The debt climbed to 7.4 Trillion dollars, and unlike the debt from WW2, owned and financed by American's buying WAR Bond's, Bush II just added it to the National debt. Many of you here accepted that and elected him then.

Paul O'neil argued with the President that we can't keep spending at this pace without looking at raising taxes, Soon after Cheney asked Paul to report to the White house with his resignation, and wanted him to say he was looking forward to going back to the private sector.

NO! Paul wasn't going to lie! He just left and went home, Getting fired wasn't something a man of his fiscal knowledge was used to. so he just went home without a word. Bush wanted him to lie, But he was fired. Ahh the Bush lying again!

By 2008 our debt had climbed to 7.4 Trillion! can you believe this? The debt clock was flying along at unheard of speed.

Rumsfeld even held a press conference admitting that the money sent to Iraq, approx. 2.3 TRILLION dollars was now lost, not accountable, and you the tax payer will shoulder the burden. No outrage? didn't think so!

Let's take a good look at out budget in 1945, Almost all of it was American bond owned, Today over 50% is owned by Countries like China, Japan, India, and oil producing Nations.

A fiscal call in for their money from these Nations would cripple if not destroy the American economy.

President Eisenhower used this tactic the year I was born 1956, when the British and the French wanted war with Egypt, He knew a huge sum of British debt was owned by the United States and declared no involvement and threatened the British with calling in our money. Many Historians say this was the official end of the British Empire.

You can only Imagine the tremendous power China today has over the U.S. (Luckily they need us to import their goods) and Oil producing Nations that provide us with their products.

And when will the Petrodollar end? All this should wake you guys up? But it won't.

And what do you think of Greenspan in 2007 lowering interest rates in order to please the Stock Market only to leave you with savings that won't grow?

American's NEED to save But the incentives are all in the Stock Markets, and that alone can be scary.

China is the number one exporter of goods in the World, America is just about dead last, this can't go on, well it can for awhile, but we are on borrowed time.

Do you know the three largest exports of the United states are to China?

1. Electrical Machinery.
2. Nuclear Machinery.
3. Scrap metal

We have lost our place in the Worlds Manufacturing, and that is the flaw in Clinton's projected 20 years of a balanced budget. We tried to inform him of Fair Trade, Not just FREE TRADE! But like all modern Presidents The Big Boys prevail again.

But give credit where credit is due, he did balance a budget.

Printing more money will only add to other nations owning more of the US. We know there is a levy around us and it's ready to break, But most of you don't believe. You will believe soon when it breaks.

Obama probably went in to office with all the right intentions, But as we can see in modern History corruption is like cancer, and the President comes down with it pretty quickly.

The Baby Boomer's will be using SS very quickly and at an amazing rate.

This raided trust fund will leave the future generations broke, when it should have been the sacred cow.

If you count all our debt's and the hidden agenda cost's, We owe about 60 Trillion dollars, We must fix it. sadly the economic truth will not be accepted by America until we witness it on our own soil. Then it will be too late.

If not fixed today, in a decade or so we will need a tax rate double what we are paying today. That's just to pay a small amount to SS and bare bones if any Government services.

The way to correct what we can now, IS: End the Bush tax cuts, we need the money badly.

No more earmarks to be funded. Sorry lobbyist's

Time to get out of Iraq, and stop policing the World. We can't afford this.

Admit we can no longer fund other Nations with bribes just to be our friends.

We can be the best looking horse in the glue factory, but what good will it do us?

Rome fell for three reasons,
Moral decline
Over extending it's military
Fiscal irresponsibility

Sound familiar. Like I said before, The Truth hurts, I'm sure the CONS will avoid this in the same way they avoid anything that doesn't spew from mouth's of the GOP!


Mitch
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 01:02 PM
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6. Sadly, I think we're headed over the cliff. And much of the populace doesn't learn
anymore what you've summarized. There are lessons to have been learned, but they are ignored. I wonder just how much longer we can continue the way we are ...


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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 01:17 PM
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7. thank you Mitch
I appreciate that post. :applause:
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MITCH_ Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 09:36 PM
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11. Thank You my Friend!
Thank You my friend, Most people won't listen, and don't care.

Mitch_
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 01:42 PM
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8. It's worse than that. It's a full-fledged assualt on the American People...
...by the wealthiest of the wealthy through their proxy fronts and puppet politicians.

Enough! Rise up People.

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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 01:48 PM
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9. Their worst fear is Americans will wake up. We could throw them all out if Americans would
only wake up and quit fighting with each other, the latter being their plan, to keep the masses blaming each other than the real culprits.
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 01:55 PM
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10. Bingo... the "hate your neighbor" routine is wearing thin. n/t
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