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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 06:42 PM Original message |
Is Obama working "Stealth" for Progressive Ideals? ARISTEDE RETURNS TO HAITI" |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
1. Obama wasn't paying attention |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 06:54 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I think that Obama is playing something very good here, diplomatically.." Or "Good Cop/Bad Cop." |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 06:57 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Where's your |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 08:20 PM Response to Reply #4 |
21. Actually I was trying to be Hopeful...about our President.... |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 07:17 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. Just one correction. Bush Sr. ousted Aristede first. Clinton |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 08:52 PM Response to Reply #11 |
25. Yes, you are correct on that, sorry. It's Clinton's deal with Haiti to force them to import Arkansas |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 09:46 PM Response to Reply #25 |
59. Thank you, and yes, Clinton reinstalled him but didn't help |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 08:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
28. Obama personally called the South African president twice |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 06:55 PM Response to Original message |
3. Pretty goddamn stealthy, all right... |
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Billy Burnett (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
5. JP Aristide's political party (the largest in Haiti) was still banned from the election. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
6. since when did Pres. Obama have control over Haiti? |
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ReggieVeggie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 07:05 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. The US has pretty much controlled Haiti since it's beginning |
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catgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 07:11 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Wrong- France controlled Haiti n/t |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 07:15 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Wrong...we gained our independence from France in 1804. |
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catgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 07:23 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Read what I was commenting on please |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 07:27 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. I just did. So excuse my post. n/t |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 08:57 PM Response to Reply #9 |
29. Vaberella, ou ayisyen? m' renmen Ayiti! |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 09:21 PM Response to Reply #29 |
39. Oui mwen Ayitien. Ou se ayitien? Oh, c'est jolie ca. |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 09:32 PM Response to Reply #39 |
50. ... |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 09:44 PM Response to Reply #50 |
57. I was born in Haiti. Port-au-Prince---but my family comes from Jacmel/Ti Riviere. |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 09:52 PM Response to Reply #57 |
63. "The contractions are murderizers." |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 07:15 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Nope, US has TRIED to control Haiti since around the 1920s. n/t |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 09:30 PM Response to Reply #10 |
49. The US occupied Haiti from 1915-1934. n/t |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 09:41 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. That's true. Thanks for the specific date. n/t |
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peacetalksforall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 08:09 PM Response to Reply #7 |
19. Yes, from the begnning and reinforced in the Aristede coup. It was all by plan. |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 08:54 PM Response to Reply #6 |
26. Sorry, no. Not by a long shot. Haitian history is fascinating, btw. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 09:50 PM Response to Reply #26 |
62. Hey you can pm me. |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 10:29 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. The media in this country is off on so many things, so that's no surprise really. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 09:22 PM Response to Reply #6 |
41. Haiti is the only occupied country in this hemisphere. |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
12. Aristide said he went home when he did because |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 07:27 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. I know Madame Manigat, if President, most definitely would revoke it. |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 08:21 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. How can they tell a citizen to leave |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 09:18 PM Response to Reply #22 |
37. This is Haiti. There are no strict laws in Haiti. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
14. As a Haitian American-----my heart breaks that this man is back in Haiti. |
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tkmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 08:14 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. I would love to hear more from you on this |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 08:25 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. +1...I would also like to hear more.... Some links and discussion. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 09:16 PM Response to Reply #20 |
34. Unlike what so many people like to hear and what is expressed in the OP... |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 08:23 PM Response to Reply #14 |
23. You preferred when Clinton pushed him out and sent him into exile? |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 08:55 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Are you Haitian? Cause I don't think you understand. |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 09:20 PM Response to Reply #27 |
38. Oh btw... |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 09:23 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. I know he was shot in the hand. |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 09:26 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. It wasn't even that bad. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 09:02 PM Response to Reply #14 |
31. You are in the small minority. And you might want to read up |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 09:07 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Are you from Haiti too? n/t |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 09:23 PM Response to Reply #33 |
43. No but during the earthquake, I realized I didn't know anything about it |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 09:17 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. You don't have to tell me about the coup. My uncles were there during the coup. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 09:28 PM Response to Reply #35 |
46. Well, I'm getting mine from people who also lived it, |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 09:30 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Ah those people. I see. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 09:37 PM Response to Reply #48 |
54. As I said, I have uncles who swear on their ARENA memberships |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 09:45 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. Possibly. |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 09:05 PM Response to Reply #14 |
32. Thank you for your input on this matter! If anyone should know what actually |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 09:28 PM Response to Reply #32 |
47. Keep in mind I'm not living in Haiti. |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 09:35 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. I understand. Getting info from family members is better than |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 09:33 PM Response to Reply #32 |
51. Um, you have one opinion on the man vs. the 70% of the electorate |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 09:44 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. Um, I have NO opinion of the man. I know NOTHING about the situation in Haiti. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 09:47 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. I was referring to the opinion you got from her, not your own |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 09:48 PM Response to Reply #51 |
61. Really? How did they get that number? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 09:58 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Presumably from the difference between eligible voters and turnout. |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 09:22 PM Response to Reply #14 |
40. I lived in Haiti for a summer while Baby Doc was in full swing. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 09:27 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. Hardly. Well not Baby Doc. |
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al_liberal (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 08:00 PM Response to Original message |
17. We here all know that Obama plays... |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 08:06 PM Response to Original message |
18. Stealth progressive ideals? How about overt ones? |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
30. Pretty tricky, considering Obama called Zuma and asked him not to let Aristide leave South Africa. |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 09:17 PM Response to Original message |
36. lmao... right. |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 09:33 PM Response to Original message |
52. He's playing Chutes and Ladders. |
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