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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 05:50 PM Original message |
It's Not Up to the President to Impose a No-Fly Zone Over Libya |
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Davis_X_Machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 05:52 PM Response to Original message |
1. When was this written? |
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shraby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 05:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. He isn't acting unilaterally. He's acting in tandem with other |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 07:43 PM Response to Reply #2 |
30. Unilaterally as in terms of government. |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 08:26 PM Response to Reply #2 |
35. The War Powers Act ... |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 05:57 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. There was a war resolution passes in Congress then? |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 05:59 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Exactly my interpretation. n/t |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 06:01 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. See post 6. |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 09:57 PM Response to Reply #5 |
37. Looks like he talked to several other groups, but not Congress. |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 06:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. 3/9 but as was mentioned below unilaterally in this context may ... |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 05:56 PM Response to Original message |
3. UN Security Council Resolution 1973 on Libya - Full Text |
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Davis_X_Machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 06:29 PM Response to Reply #3 |
24. Ongoing expert discussion... |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
4. This ignores the U.N. action |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 05:58 PM Original message |
Obama on presidential war-making powers - Greenwald (after the UN resolution) |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
12. The Resolution does not compel US action, but it makes it legal in terms of both |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 08:15 PM Response to Reply #12 |
32. That is the question, do we need Congress if we have a UN resolution? n/t |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:53 PM Response to Reply #32 |
40. We care about the UN resolution BECAUSE we have a congressionally approved treaty that... |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 05:58 PM Response to Original message |
6. Since Congress approved the UN charter, this argument is now invalid since... |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 06:00 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Article was written on March 9th. A lot has happened since then |
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sweetapogee (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 06:01 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. no |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 06:02 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Yes, correct. Consider that congress can approve treaties like mutual defense pacts. |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 06:05 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. UN resolution 1973 established the no-fly zone. |
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soryang (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 06:02 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. There is no foundation in the UN Charter for the SC resolution |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 06:04 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Yes, there is. Here is a link |
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soryang (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 06:14 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. You haven't made a legal citation for the factual predicate for |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 07:06 PM Response to Reply #20 |
28. Just like any other democratic body, the UN governs by consent of the governed |
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soryang (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:41 PM Response to Reply #28 |
38. You've never studied law have you? |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:52 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. I get it now, you are one of these people that keeps changing the subject when proven wrong. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 06:03 PM Response to Reply #6 |
15. They're a bit dated SL. n/t |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 06:04 PM Response to Reply #6 |
17. UN resolutions do not trump the US Constitution... |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 06:06 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Congress signed the UN Charter which is considered a treaty. See the Constitution on treaties |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 06:23 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. So now we have a Unitary Executive with a UN figleaf.... |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 07:05 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Did you choose to gloss over the congress approving of a treaty accordiing to Article 2? |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 07:20 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. Congress is not being evaded as Congress ratified the charter.. |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 06:27 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. and The War Powers Act gives POTUS the authority to do this |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 06:29 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. He has 48 hours to notify Congress and start the 60 day clock.... |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 08:08 PM Response to Reply #23 |
31. Only under attack or threat. |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 08:19 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Thanks mmonk ... |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 08:23 PM Response to Reply #17 |
34. That is the question ... |
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virgogal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 06:20 PM Response to Original message |
21. . |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 06:32 PM Response to Original message |
26. The US isn't doing it; the UN is. |
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groundloop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 08:44 PM Response to Original message |
36. I'll repeat what's already been said - THE UNITED NATIONS IMPOSED NO-FLY |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 11:02 PM Response to Original message |
41. No existing statute or treaty? Try the United Nations charter |
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