Now you are talking of San Onofre

[nadinbrzezinski]

when we did planning we knew the exclusion zone in San Onofre in a meltdown would be close to 40 Km on a good day...(It is wind direction stupid)

150K dead is about right... we calculated 500,000 casualties between near term and long term (aka cancer clusters) from it..

But hey... what can I say? One of the reasons why I knew this was the ever so-popular planning. A city like TJ had a NUCLEAR adendum kiddies, done and worked with Nuclear Scientists from Loma Verde in Mexico.

[villager]

1. already unrecc'd by the hear/see/speak-no crowd!

which has been quite the busy crowd here, of late...

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. They got a message to protect

you see the meltdown includes the meltdown of that industry's renaissance

[dixiegrrrrl]

3. That the same crowd which is now so vewy vewy quiet in light of recent nuke news?

"Tepco reports explosions at # 1 power plant....a very serious situation....pressure is dropping...means cracks have formed, radiation could have leaked out, ....explosion might have been released to the outside from the container..
that is why operators have been evacuated, because the container vessel is the last line of defense..this problem may spread and become worse. This could be the worse case scenario for nuclear power plants in Japan."
" This means they are getting close to being unable to contain the radiation from ( spreading to) the outside"

All of this just now on Japan tv
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. Oh wait I was told this COULD NOT happen

since they are engineered to very high standards (and they are)...

What were the words I used? Oh yes... in the famous saying of Emergency Services, NEVER EVER use the word NEVER.

[Tansy_Gold]

7. I believe the full quote is

"Never say never, 'cause you just never know."

As I wrote the other day, I simply cannot understand why the Japanese, who were the first victims of the atomic age, embraced nuclear power. Yes, yes, yes. I know about their lack of petroleum reserves, not enough land for solar or wind. And yes, I know about the profits to be made and the coercion and so on. But still, I'm shaking my head.

And I'm wondering if anyone will get the message. . . .



TG

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. I get it why they went there

but it is time to move away from it... decom plants, in the states starting with El Diablo and San Onofre

[csziggy]

14. High engineering standards are only as good as the assumed worst case

Listening to some of the commentary today where the experts said, "Look how well engineered the reactors were - they survived a 9.0 earthquake!" As if the "unforseen "consequence of the earthquake - the tsunami was irrelevant and unpredictable.

It reminds me of the engineers who said, "Look how well the World Trade Center towers did - they both survived the strikes of the airplanes!" Then they discounted the consequence of the burning fuel and that the buildings were not engineered to survive hot fires.

In both cases, the engineers did their jobs - they planned for what they thought would be the worst cases. But they did not plan for the real life worst cases.

[panader0]

4. I heard today it was built to withstand a number 7 earthquake

What? The Japanese quake has now been called a 9, exponentially higher than what San Onofre was built to take.

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. And a local prof explained why the worst we can get

in this zone is 7.5... yes I was shaking my head. Professor Abbott, please, we know that this zone has had eight pointers in geologic times.

[dixiegrrrrl]

9. Poor Nadine..I bet you just want to scream at times.

Given your background, this has got to seem so insane to you.

to me, it seems illogical and stupid not to build for the "worse case scenario" as opposed to
" just barely good enough scenario"

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. I have been close to throwing shoes at the tv

as my husband put it... ignorance would be bliss right about now

[dixiegrrrrl]

11. I threw a heavy glass ashtray at Nixon on tv.

Expensive but cathartic.

[roamer65]

12. San Onofre needs to be decomissioned.

Given what we know now...decomission San Onofre, then Diablo canyon.

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. Or both... at the same time

they need to go