So if Palin had a tubal ligitation after Piper was born, where did Trig come from?

[HipChick]

Gryphen currently has a great post up..



http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/

"Whoever gave birth to Trig, it couldn't be Sarah. Remember, she had said that she 'not only had her tubes just tied, she had them cut, and the ends burned - or some such measure to make SURE she wasn't going to be having more babies.

"Didn't she have it done during the delivery of piper??

"All of us who have kids that went to school with Sarah's kids know to be absolute factual gospel truth: Sarah Palin had a tubal ligation after her last baby (Piper) was born.

"She then took several days off work- more than she took when she "had" Trig. She bitched at Todd afterward saying HE should have gotten the snip since it was so much easier for men."

"Trig may actually have BEEN born at 7.5 months....but he wasn't born in April '08, and he sure as HELL did not issue forth from the tied, cut, and burned fallopian tubes of Sarah Louise Heath Palin."

My two were in the same school as two of Sarah's at the same time. She volunteered for revolving carpool and bailed every single time. She called one morning saying she'd be unable to drive her planned day the next morning because she'd had "a tubal". I remember her saying it in that whiny fake accent she used to elicit sympathy: "Well, I've had a two-bull". I just rolled my eyes and got someone to fill in.

Two weeks after that when her next shift came up, she called again and this time it had gone from "a two-bull" to "my surgery". "I'm sorry, I can't make it 'cause yaknow I had surgery recently..."
I remember some of the other moms and I joked that when her NEXT shift came up, she would be calling saying "I can't drive due to the recent double AMPUTATION of my tubes..."

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

1. God?

[Warpy]

2. The kid belongs to somebody in the immediate family, IMO

It would be fascinating to know who, but I know it's not hers. She was never visibly pregnant and her activities on the "delivery" day were odd, to say the least.

It's one of those stories that will eventually come out. They always do.

[HipChick]

4. I agree..the birth tale never added up for me..

[Frank Cannon]

35. Either the kid isn't hers, or the birth tale is true and she's a shockingly despicable mother.

Those are the only two choices we have. They are both fully plausible and equally likely.

[malaise]

5. I've always felt that he was one of her son's baby -

the one she sent off to war. She could not deal with having two kids with babies while she was becoming Grifter of the millennium.

[HipChick]

9. "Grifter of the millennium"

:rofl:

[malaise]

13. Well

:evilgrin:

[TheCowsCameHome]

3. Immaculate Deception

[eppur_se_muova]

67. +1 nt

[cali]

6. I think he's hers.

but I don't really give a shit one way or the other.

[Liquorice]

7. I think he's hers too. It's kind of weird that people keep investigating

this woman's pregnancy. It reminds me of the birther nuts. JMO

[customerserviceguy]

20. You have a point

It's not too likely that Bristol would have had a kid with Downs, that's much more likely for an older mother.

In any case, if anything had been faked, some doctor/nurse/orderly would have come forward by now with at least a story, if not evidence. There's plenty of stuff to pin on Caribou Barbie, why add this?

Besides, she was convenient for the other Repigs over the last couple of years. She could wear the target on her back, while they plotted in the shadows for the Repuke nomination. The front runner always gets the brunt of the attack from the other side, they were only too happy to let it be her, rather than them.

[Pithlet]

24. Not to throw my hat in the argument either way

But teens also have a higher risk of having a child with Down's Syndrome.

[Fly by night]

36. My early 20-something niece had a Down's syndrome baby, perhaps because of her prenatal drug use.

Since Bristol was having sex with a meth dealer's son before and during her pregnancy, perhaps the same toxins affected the health of her baby too.

[onenote]

78. I hope you're not seriously suggesting that anyone with a Downs baby was a prental drug user.

[Fly by night]

86. No. I am not suggeting that. I am stating that as a fact.

If by "anyone", you include my niece.

She was a prenatal drug user and she had a Down's Syndrome baby in her early 20s.

I was not suggesting that "everyone" who has a Down's Syndrome baby is a prenatal drug user. But the teratogenic effects of prenatal drug use (including two of the most dangerous drugs to expose the unborn to -- alcohol and nicotine) can be serious. Besides, my experience (and that of several othe people who have posted here) is that Down's Syndrome babies can be born to girls and young women, not simply older women (though the risk does increase with the mother's age).

BTW, I don't know what "prental" means, so perhaps you are talking about something else entirely. Anyone here can use the "spell check" feature. Obviously, everyone doesn't do that.

[UnDued11]

73. It may not be very common, but a first baby having Down Syndrome is not all that "rare"

Sarah's Achilles heel was and IS her phony "baby-story", but since media as too "askeerd" to do stories that involve "girly-bits", they dropped this story like a hot potato and bought that cock & bull story.

The real story is that her daughter told her too late that she was pregnant..got no prenatal care for probably 5 months, and then had the kid early (not uncommon for Down babies)..Perhaps they had planned on putting the baby up for adoption until they found out he had D.S. "Desperate Housewives" had a WHOLE season that year about Bree's faked pregnancy.. Sarah thinks like that.. A preemie who had plenty of time to reach a more "normal" birthweight gave her the time she needed for her miracle 7 week pregnancy.

Bristol had time to pop out another baby ..one she would keep..Mom could have the other one..:(

We had to know the location of every mole on McCain's shriveled body, but Sarah's medical history..even the "dangerous birth" fit on a post-it note from her gal-pal doc..

[speltwon]

23. Obsession with Palin's uterus syndrome... Did we learn NOTHING from the Clenis debacle?

I mean seriously. Who... CARES?

[nichomachus]

63. Apparently, some of us didn't

The difference between Clinton and this is that Bill Clinton did not run on a "No Blowjob" platform. Palin is running on a platform of wanting to tell other women what to do with their uteruses, how to live their lives, and how to run their families. So, her personal example is important. Clinton's failure was stupid and irresponsible -- but not hypocritical.

[cali]

28. nail meet hammer. I find it pathetic.

[Jackpine Radical]

38. Whatever the situation is, it's something they have to live with.

We already know enough about Sarah from her public persona to make whatever judgments we need to make, and digging in this stuff is quite unnecessary.

[cali]

39. exactly.

[Little Star]

27. Bingo!

[nxylas]

51. +1

Why does it matter to anyone but Palin and her family? Even if the baby was someone else's, does anyone really think she'd make a great President if it wasn't for that one lie about Trig?

[PBS Poll-435]

61. For me, it is the 8 hour trip from Austin, TX to Alaska AFTER the water broke.

We have hospitals here in Texas!


And her whole story about wanting Trig or Thumb or whatever the hell the kid's name is to be a "Natural Born Citizen" of Alaska is so thinly-veiled it might rip before the wedding.

[cali]

64. oh please.

what on earth would her motive be for such an elaborate hoax? Obviously the kid isn't britol's.

[PBS Poll-435]

66. Her water broke at the RGA event in Austin

She said so.

And she was allowed to board a flight from Texas to Alaska by airport personnel?



Not too likely.

[defendandprotect]

8. Seems clear that Sarah Palin isn't the Mom ... !!

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[Canuckistanian]

10. Palin should call for a formal investigation

It's the only way the American public can be sure.
:eyes:

[Jackpine Radical]

11. I just got the true explanation from a Teabagger:

[Ilsa]

14. LOL. I love it! nt

[CatWoman]

17. really now

you definitely need your ass kicked for that.

I'm doubled over in laughter :rofl:

[flvegan]

15. She quit halfway through the tubal.

[FLPanhandle]

46. LOL

First good laugh I've had today.

[CatWoman]

16. this happened to my sister

she got pregnant after having her tubes tied.

the baby was my niece who was murdered last summer.

we always called Lisa a miracle baby.

[Bunny]

19. I'm so sorry to hear about your niece, CatWoman.

:hug:

[starroute]

21. If Sarah had a "miracle baby" we'd have never heard the end of it

Given her tendency to drag God into everything, she certainly wouldn't have been able to resist the temptation to boast about Trigg's miraculous conception. So I think we can rule that possibility out.

[HipChick]

25. sorry about your niece...my brother was born after my mother had her tubes tied..

there is a huge age difference between me and my brother, but having them tied..is a lot different to having them cut,burnt and what ever else they do to them now..

but her whole birth story doesn't pass the smell taste...who gets on a plane for 10hrs with a high risk preggie leaking fluids?

[Jackpine Radical]

37. What a terrible tragedy.

You and your family have my deepest sympathy.

[EFerrari]

57. It happened to me, too.

And I got a nice big staph infection that lasted for months because the doc didn't believe there was anything wrong with me. Boy, was he sorry.

[renate]

84. oh, no...

... I am SO very sorry. :cry:

[seabeyond]

18. we KNOW her story about day of birth was a lie all the way around. nt

[BlueCheese]

22. This is the left's version of Obama's birth certificate. n/t

[diane in sf]

26. not really

[cali]

29. yes really. and just about as moronic and done for the same idiot purpose.

damn, I hate stupid.

[eridani]

32. Obama's birth certificate is vouched for by the state of Hawaii

Palin, unlike McCain, Obama and Biden, never published even a brief summary of her medical records.

[pipi_k]

49. And her medical records with regard to this issue are important...

for what reason, exactly?


Yes, we have the right to know about the health and fitness to serve of our President and Vice President, but so far she is not a candidate for either position.

And even if she were, this issue has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on her mental or physical capacity to serve if elected.


I would say that who Trig's parents are, or are not, is nobody else's damned business.

[eridani]

68. Lying about it actually is public business n/t

[jbnow]

30. If it were true it would not disqualify her from holding office

it would just mean she lied.
Well we know she lies so there isn't much gain here.

It is a strange story and unlike the birth certificate one existing facts make palin's story all the more questionable

But she's not important, won't be president, we don't need to try to discredit her
If what many suspect is true, well plenty of families have done such things, whatever we think of it.

I disagree with it being the same but it certainly is something that can be used to discredit us or for false equivalency that they so like to do (and you are doing)

[cynatnite]

70. Well, the Obama's birth certificate crap is racist based...

So that is far worse.

I do agree that this thing with Trig is lunacy that the left shouldn't mess with. It's beneath us.

[Avalux]

72. No it isn't. Palin has proved herself to be a liar. Easy fodder. n/t

[cali]

31. I really dislike seeing DUers engaging in this idiocy

Unless her medical records are out there proving that she could not be the mother, there is no reason to believe this nonsense.

[eridani]

33. As a matter of fact, her medical records are not out there

Unlike Obama's birth certificate.

[Fly by night]

34. Bristol's uterus.

It's amazing that this thread won't mention the birth mother's name. There is no evidence that Sarah gave birth to Trig, but PLENTY of evidence that she didn't. This is indeed old news. What is interesting is why some people here refuse to believe their lying eyes re: Bristol's bulging belly and Sarah's flat one (like her view of the earth) before the immaculate deception (good line, that).

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

40. i don't believe Trig is Bristol's. I've thought along that Trig is Track's son. During the campaign

Track's girlfriend was one of Trig's "babysitters".

I never bought her going into labor fairy tale.

[undeterred]

41. She lies all the time, so how the heck can you tell what the truth is?

[LibertyLover]

42. It was God's will dont'chaknow

Whatcha lookin' at? Nuthin' ta see here. Move along.

[robcon]

43. Ah, the fantasies of Trig Truthers.

It's hard to keep up with this nonsense.

[leeroysphitz]

44. Who cares?

[reformist2]

45. My two cents: Look at the pics of Bristol at the 2008 RNC.

That's the look of a young woman who already gave birth, not who is expecting..... imo, of course.

[cali]

65. bwahahahahaha.

the stupid never stops when it comes to the trig truthers.

[krispos42]

47. I just want to see the long-form birth certificate

Yanno, the one with DNA test results at the bottom.

[reformist2]

48. Also, look at this pic of Sarah, a few weeks before Trig was born.

Sarah (lower left) at the National Governors Association in February of 2008. She hides it so well. :)

[pipi_k]

50. You can't tell anything from that photo, really...

But it's not impossible that she was pregnant.

I've had three children and didn't show much at all for any of them.

[UnDued11]

74. The original of that pic is 2400 x huge and it's obvious that she is NOT

..It may no longer be available in huge x huge..

[hyphenate]

79. The big copy

is here:

http://w w w.subnet.nga.org/ centennial/Images/ GovsPortraitNGA2008Large.jpg

without the spaces.

[snot]

52. Why didn't we hear about this before now?

[hyphenate]

80. We did

But just like Bush's AWOL, the main press didn't touch it, probably because Ailes and Murdoch quashed it.

[Recursion]

53. OFFS

Is this just to prove that both sides have birthers?

Even if she did have a tubal ligation, they don't always work (neither do vasectomies).

Bbabies with Downs are usually not born to teenage mothers but to women in middle age.

[RainDog]

55. this stuff makes my head spin

it's like small town (oh yeah, it is small town) feuds. the whole story is too weird. but then, so is Palin.

however, I'd like to note that more teenagers than middle-aged women have children with down syndrome - because more teenagers have babies - iow, the risk is there for teenagers as well as middle-aged women - the risk for an individual increases with age, however. So, it's not true that most babies with down syndrome are born to middled-aged women - most are borne by teenagers. More pregnant middle-aged women are likely to have a baby with down syndrome than are teenage pregnant women, tho.

just for the record.

I don't care where Trip came from - I just want Palin to go away.

[Jim Lane]

54. Progressives are actually better off believing Palin's story

Most people don't know the details of what Palin claims. Here's her story: A month before she was due, she felt contractions and discovered she was leaking amniotic fluid. Several hours later, she went ahead and gave her scheduled speech before an energy conference of the Republican Governors Association in Dallas. Then, even though she was in a major metropolitan area where she could have gotten excellent medical care, she left for Wasilla. She left by plane, and thus would be cooped up on a airplane for two long flights (Dallas to Seattle and Seattle to Anchorage). She arrived in Anchorage and drove to Wasilla (a drive of an hour or so) and delivered there.

Here's an Anchorage Daily News story as reference for the main points: .

Three theories have been advanced about her unusual conduct:
(1) For political reasons, she wanted the child to be born in Alaska -- some Alaskans (perhaps especially Todd's buddies in the Alaska Independence Party) would be put off at the image of their Governor giving birth somewhere "Outside", which is how some Alaskans, including Palin herself on occasion, refer to the rest of the United States.
(2) She didn't want to have an abortion (personal conviction, political advantage, or both), but she also wasn't keen on raising a Down syndrome child. If instead of going to a hospital, you get on a plane, who knows what might happen.
(3) It wasn't any such deliberate calculation. It was just very bad judgment.

I understand the temptation to say, "Palin lied about Trig's parentage to cover up something." It can't be proven at this point, though. Furthermore, as some have commented in this thread, it does make us sound like birthers. Unless new evidence comes to light, let's just go with taking her at her word and pointing out how badly it reflects on her.

[Ghost in the Machine]

60. I bounce back and forth between 1 & 2

I suggested both scenarios when this issue first reared up and I heard about the plane trip.

:hi:

[Jim Lane]

76. I'm more inclined toward #3 but all of them have some plausibility.

I admit that I have a bias toward Hanlon's Law: Never ascribe to malevolence what can be adequately explained by stupidity.

In the case of Sarah Palin, the hypothesis of sheer stupidity cannot be lightly dismissed.

[HipChick]

83. She had a 'Whiteout' ...abortions which she changed into miscarriages..

I don't know of any dr that does this..

and how she had two “miscarriages” before him. What’s so interesting about these “miscarriages” is on one of the hospital/doctor bills the word “abortion” is whited out and the word “miscarriage” has been put in.

When was the last time you saw white out on a hospital/doctor bill? Huh?

Why would Sarah want us to know about the “typo”? How do we know it came to her that way? What are the chances she herself used Wite-Out on this hospital bill to hide the fact she had had an abortion and not a miscarriage? I think I know! Sarah is very good at lying and deceiving and this shows how far she will go to cover up her life ...she's a fraud and fake..at some point, her lies are her status quo

[yellowcanine]

56. "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn." We need to move on from this.

I mean, really, who the hell cares? We have Republican Governors and their corporate allies trying to destroy public unions, who cares if Palin had a tubal ligation or not?

[Arkana]

58. A Cracker Jack box?

[PRETZEL]

59. Not totally convinced it's hers

but I can imagine a scenario where someone might want to claim him as theirs,

Whether or not it conceivable or even plausible but,

If he's Sarah's son he's covered under her medical plan,

If he's Bristol's he's not covered since he would be Sarah's grandson,

I thought I remember reading somewhere over the years that she knew the baby had Downs Syndrome before birth.

Imagine the medical costs that would be incurred.

Imagine Sarah saying Bristol's baby is covered under Medical Assistance.

[mstinamotorcity]

62. lying

with lies.

[Lucian]

69. She's a liar.

But I couldn't care less.

[cynatnite]

71. This sort of speculation is pointless...

Seriously, why anyone should give a damn about this is beyond me.

[NuclearDem]

75. Oh Christ, not this shit again

[hyphenate]

77. General rumor for the long time is that it's Bristol's

That rumor didn't get the play it might have needed, but it was sort of like, "Oh! Didn't you hear?...."

[slay]

85. Site with pics

that if accurate seem to prove for sure it couldn't be Sarah's: http://palindeception.blogspot.com/

[Horse with no Name]

81. I think he belongs to Todd and the hooker

And the hooker blackmailed Sarah and was going to spill the beans (they don't like beans in Alaska!).

[old mark]

82. A stork brought him from heaven..then Sarah shot the stork...nt