German Radiation Expert: No way to stop nuclear fuel that’s melted-through

[FourScore]

Dr. Sebastian Pflugbeil “Tokyo is on the path of Kiev”
Posted by Mochizuki on December 2nd, 2011 · 10 Comments

Dr. Sebastian Pflugbeil, the chairman of German Society of Radiation Protection had a lecture in Berlin,and talked about Tokyo.

To the question about what we can do to minimize the damage of the accident, he answered:

“Nothing. There is no way to stop the nuclear fuel that has melted-through leaking. All we could do is to pray for the fuel not to touch the underground water vein.

We must avoid internal exposure from contaminated food. Authorities are trying to make Japanese eat polluted food for their twisted patriotism, but on the other hand, citizens are setting up independent labs around Japan. This is very important. However, lab facility costs are huge. Maintenance, recording the data costs too. Now, the best thing Germans can do is to support those independent facilities financially.”

To another question “How dangerous Tokyo is now?” He answered:

“Tokyo is not the safe area. Now Tokyo is in the similar situation to Kiev in Chernobyl. Ukrainian Government couldn’t define that densely populated area, Kiev, as evacuating area so they did not admit Kiev was threatened and manipulated the radiation map to look like Plutonium stopped just before Kiev.”

Around in Kiev, there were 11 million children in 1990, and now there are 8 million. However, the number of deformed babies is the same, which means the ratio of deformation is increasing. Low dose exposure obviously affects DNA. Only 10 % of babies sent to Kiev hospital can live longer than 1 year.

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[TheWraith]

1. A clearly incompetent "expert" from a bullshit-laden site.

Starting with the fact that they're citing completely wrong and false figures for Kiev.

Also, failure to recognize that Chernobyl did not contain plutonium.

And failure to understand that something whose temperature is below that of boiling water can't burn through concrete.

[Tesha]

3. As usual, your facts are wrong.

Any reactor fuel load that contains U238 (as do all
commercial power reactors) will breed Pu239 as a
result of Nuclear Transmutation (where a U238
nucleus captures a neutron and that neutron
converts to a proton).

Tesha

[Fumesucker]

6. If the fuel was below the temperature of boiling water then the water wouldn't be boiling.

:shrug:

[Generic Other]

10. If it doesn't support your foregone conclusions you condemn it

Every damn time. Like clockwork. It's getting old. Some of us really care. We have relatives who live in the danger zone. Your BS does nothing to help us understand what we are facing.

So far the score is most of the nuclear experts in the world vs. you. Get real.

[PearliePoo2]

11. Yes...tell it.

:thumbsup:

The denial/nuc shill people must regret they have but ONE unrec to give!

[Feron]

14. Perhaps..

he was talking about radioactive water getting into the underground water supply. It could be quote-mining or a mistranslation.

Otherwise this so-called expert is full of shit. Chernobyl was worse and the corium was prevented from melting further down.

Anyhow you're correct in that the cores at Fukushima are too cold now to be going anywhere.

Remember all of the "experts" that said that the gulf gusher couldn't be plugged? I guess people like being afraid.

[Mojorabbit]

19. Still finding sheen near the gulf leak......nt

[aletier_v]

2. So how did they mold the rods in the first place?

[Tesha]

4. Nuclear fuel rods are zirconium tubes that are loaded with many...

...small (say, thumb-sized) slugs of fully-formed fuel.

And the expert was referring to the pool of corium
that results when many of the fuel rods melt together
in an uncontrolled fashion.

Tesha

[ensho]

5. thanks for this report - deformed babies is the growing horror

the same the depleted uranium is doing in Iraq - deformed babies

and who takes care of the babies that manage to survive - the sad and grieving mothers

[Karenina]

7. This is also happening around Chernobyl...

I met two mothers from affected areas and an oncologist who has worked there for a decade in April. None minced words.

[ensho]

9. interesting - can you tell us more of their unminced words

please

[Karenina]

22. They gave talks as part of an exhibition

marking the anniversary this past spring. Both women had lost their husbands, their children and communities were suffering from deformities, retardation, chronic illnesses. The exhibition was very long on documentation and even THEY (both professional women) were shocked by some of the information presented and the level of lies they had been told. It was quite an experience to hear them speak.

The oncologist talked about disinformation within the framework of what he observed on the ground in his work. Outrageous but unsurprising. :-(

[ensho]

23. that's the problem with all things nuclear "the level of lies"

thanks for further info

[Zorra]

8. One child born deformed is all the reason we ever need to begin

an immediate publicly funded worldwide effort to replace nuclear energy system with clean alternative systems.

All nuclear power plants need to be shut down ASAP. Planning for the process should start immediately

Tax the oil companies and the nuclear energy out the wazoo and make them pay for the environmental devastation they cause which affects us all.

Deformed babies

Occupy.

[bvar22]

12. The Lesson from Fukushima:

This CAN and WILL happen again
unless we stop using Nukes.
There IS a better, safer way.






You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.
Solidarity99!
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[PearliePoo2]

13. Here's some more news from Fukushima

and boy is it hard to find any coverage by the U.S. msm. (why is that, I wonder?)

http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/12/fukushima-i-nuke-plant-45-tonnes-of.html

"TEPCO announced on December 4 that about 45 tonnes of contaminated water leaked at the water treatment facility at Fukushima I Nuclear Power Plant and part of the water has leaked outside the facility.
The water may have gone into the drains and leaked into the ocean, according to TEPCO, but "It would be a small amount even if the water had leaked, and very little effect ", says the company."
According to TEPCO, 100,000 becquerels/cubic centimeter of strontium, a beta nuclide, may be in the water. The level is 100,000 to 1 million times the safety limit for seawater.

[malaise]

15. Nadin was correct from day one

re this nuclear disaster in Japan

[ThomWV]

16. Be very afraid, this shit might burn through the earth and pop out in your basement.

No shit, might happen. Look around long enough and you can find some expert to verify that it could happen too, in fact if you looked far enough, or were willing to pay enough, you could find one that was saying it was happening right now.

[FourScore]

17. YOU'RE BACK!!!! YOU'RE OKAY!!!!

I disagree with your snark, but I don't care. Snark away, my friend. I'm just ecstatic that you're back!! I trust the surgery went well...

:-) :party: :toast: :bounce: :beer: :thumbsup: :hi: :kick: :loveya: :hug: :fistbump: :yourock: :woohoo: :applause: :patriot:

[backscatter712]

21. The danger of China Syndrome is if the molten nuclear fuel hits the water table.

Several-thousand-degree molten uranium touches water, flashes it to steam underground, and you could very well have a monstrous explosion that throws radioactive fallout everywhere.

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. And the happy talk continues

No, not the op. I am amazed at how deep in denial some people still are into.

[unblock]

20. i don't understand the "nothing can be done" part.

they've ruled out EVERYTHING?

no way to dig a tunnel and move or pour additional concrete underneath?
pouring in a lot of water or liquid nitrogen wouldn't work?
hell, just putting a grenade in there to disperse the nuclear material wouldn't work? surely there's some way of separating the getting the nuclear material far enough apart to stop the reaction. i mean, wasn't keeping it together why the atomic bomb was such a design challenge in the first place?

i'm (obviously) not an expert in this area, but surely there are some things that could be done.