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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 01:55 PM
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The commentator just on CNN just said for every OWS protestor,there are thousands
that can't be there for different reasons. Job,family,health,location. But they are with the OWS in spirit.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 01:56 PM
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1. He is correct.
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 01:58 PM
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3. Every protestor that gets hurt,shoved,disrespected adds to the strength of the whole.
I really believe this.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 02:00 PM
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7. and there's been a whole lot of that this week!
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 06:59 PM
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11. I can't. I wish I could. I wish I could explain how much I wish I could.
Please know that I am with you in spirit.
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12AngryBorneoWildmen Donating Member (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 10:46 AM
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48. You're here. That's important.
And I'm sure you talk to others. Your profile comment is so sweet. Your avatar is disconcerting.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 01:13 PM
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73. He is absolutely correct.
We have seen tremendous progress this week. I am also delighted to see the pepper spray art on the WASHINGTON POST website today.

Michael Chorost's article called this week a turning point, in which America saw clearly the contempt with which we are viewed by these people.

I hope he is right.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 01:57 PM
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2. yes, he is correct
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 01:59 PM
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4. He's right.
I can't quit my job to camp out in Portland, a few hundred miles from home, but I'm sure as hell there in spirit, and I've been there for my small local group when I can get there.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 02:00 PM
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5. Absolutely.
Millions identify.
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 02:00 PM
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6. so true
I will try to remember that today when we're marching in Oakland
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Alameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 01:56 PM
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66. Wish I could but I have lung problems, and can't risk teargas or
pepper spray. I have gone through a couple of years of painful and frightening recovery process after breathing some bad fumes. The effects of teargas and pepperspray linger and cause problems long after the incident. It might well kill me a painful lingering death.
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 01:05 PM
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71. do not ever take that risk then
there are things that you can do right from your couch! :)
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 02:13 PM
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8. And we should be taking other actions. Emails, letters, phone calls.
I know they have limited effect but IMO every bit helps.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 12:38 PM
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54. They may not individually have great effect but together the emails,
letters, petitions add up to numbers. When I worked for Congressman Ed Medvinski each contact we had with a constituent we counted as 40 opinions. They may not read what you said but they know what issue you are talking about and what side you are on. We are many.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 02:15 PM
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9. And the parents of college age kids


watching kids get burned at UCDavis have to be wondering why peacefully protesting college kids are now considered "dangerous"
to public safety.

Each and every time the cops harm protesters, many more people join with OWS asking "Why?"


People are fed up and past the tipping point, yet the PTB keep adding stones to tip this thing all the way over, thinking that will make it all go away.

I am truly impressed with the stupidity of the mayors, college chancellors, etc, promoting violence. They are helping us more than hurting us, and they can't even see it. You obviously don't have to have a lot of brains to have a lot of money.




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chaska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 03:35 PM
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10. Amen.
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 07:03 PM
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12. Abso-fucking-lutely...
They are so scare for their livelihoods that they couldn't possibly lose their jobs over what they wholly support.

*THEY* know this...
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tex-wyo-dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 12:46 AM
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18. Yep...the PTB are really in a lose-lose situation...
If they attempt to ignore the protestors and occupiers, the movement grows and gains attention. If they try to shut down the occupation, either by force or "softer" means, the movement grows even faster with more resolve.

The PTB will ultimately lose.
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kimsarah Donating Member (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 04:35 AM
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24. Every time
those in the PTB ridicule, castigate, or try to harm peaceful protesters, they are taking a side. The wrong side of history. It may be good for them in the short-term, but beyond that they are toast.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 10:41 PM
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13. That is when the protested
get very nervous and hostile despite the numerical insignificance of the visible activism. It is the great tsunami they want never to exist even impotent and inactive. One of awareness and solidarity.
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 10:54 PM
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15. About time they realize how many out there support the sentiments
of OWS.
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 11:04 PM
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16. Much as I hate to agree with cnn. He has that right.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 11:33 PM
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17. More like 100's of Thousands....
And we are watching and the more we see them commit violence against our children, our neighbors, our fellow citizens, the more we grow & multiply. The violence of the Oakland police on an Iraqi War veteran caught my attention at first...then whatnBloomberg was doing in NYC. Then 2 weeks ago when i watched UC Berkeley police with batons jabbing & hitting defenseless kids, a small asian girl in particular. Then last week the Portland PD spraying a young woman in the face with Pepper spray and an 84 yr old woman in Seattle by the Seattle PD. Each time, my blood began to boil. And yesterday, when i watched in horror, Lt. John Pike of the UC Davis Campus police sadistically spray students sitting with bowed heads as he sprayed them directly in the face with pepper spray. Tommorrow and in the weeks and months to come, I will now go start delivering food down to the OWS SF protesters.....i have had enough....
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UnrepentantLiberal Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 06:44 AM
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28. Awesome. Welcome to the struggle.
They will really appreciate that.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 10:31 AM
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43. Yes, what that commentator failed to mention is that while they stereotype the people who are at the
OWS protests (although that is difficult since its every race, age group, religion, etc) they dont realize that the stay-at-home Mommy's who are straight out of Suburbia are also supporters. Mommys dont like seeing the cubs clubbed & sprayed. :grr:

The protesters putting themselves out there need to know they are not alone.....
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 10:32 AM
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44. Dupe post
Edited on Sun Nov-20-11 10:33 AM by Pachamama
Self - delete - Duplicate posting
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Chipper Chat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 08:40 AM
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37. The ACLU should have a field day with this abuse.
Pepper-sprayees: Let the lawsuits fly!
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 10:27 AM
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41. Thanks for the reminder that those of us that can afford it should donate to ACLU!
:hi:

Great organization and they are going to be busy.....
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 01:39 AM
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19. If it was a CNN commentator they will probably fire him now.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 08:12 AM
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33. I wouldn't be at all surprised......nt
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hay rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 08:28 AM
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35. Really? Really?
I guess the poor bastard didn't get the memo on the official company line.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 03:38 AM
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20. i did not expect that.
the truth, on corporate media. i hope it's a sign of things to come. more truth, real change in this country.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 03:48 AM
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21. let me guess, That was not John King
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lob1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 04:17 AM
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23. And it sure wasn't Blitzer.
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kimsarah Donating Member (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 04:37 AM
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25. Doubtful
that it was Anderson (I look like a million bucks and you don't) Cooper or Erin what's-her-face either.
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UnrepentantLiberal Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 06:41 AM
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27. Nor Don Lemon.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 04:10 AM
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22. AND MOST OF US HAVE JOBS
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 05:47 AM
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26. That would be me. . .
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 06:53 AM
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29. i have two
just to scrape by.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 07:42 AM
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30. That's me, too
I've been feeling the bind now for at least a decade...struggling to keep my footing in the shrinking middle class, realizing my vote means nothing, watching my hopes for a better life for my kids shrivel up with each passing year, all the while becoming nothing more than a fucking revenue source for the corporate and banking parasites.

I honestly was beginning to think I'd never see any kind of real resistance in my lifetime until OWS began.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 07:07 PM
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70. I HEAR YOU DEUTSEY
when people dismiss the OWSers saying GET A JOB, they don't fucking get it at ALL
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 12:46 PM
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55. I am retired and I just want justice.
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 07:50 AM
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31. amen!
in spirit and in solidarity.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 08:10 AM
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32. He is dead on! K&R.........nt
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Maineman Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 08:27 AM
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34. I think that is correct.
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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 08:39 AM
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36. If true, it shows the limitations of the Occupy tactic
When thousands of supporters are unable or unwilling to join the action for every one who does join, then you need a new political tactic that allows for greater participation.

Occupy is dead. Long live the 99% movement.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 12:50 PM
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56. Why does Occupy have to end? Can't we do two actions at the same
time? I have suggested actions to compliment OWS Occupy for a long time now. Any movement that confines itself to one venue is not doing enough. It is not using all of its power.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 02:18 PM
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69. agreed
:thumbsup:
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wakemewhenitsover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 09:18 AM
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38. They're taking the hits for a lot of us who can't make it.
Godspeed, OWS.
:headbang:
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amyrose2712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 09:51 AM
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39. True dat.
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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 09:59 AM
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40. That's true
Many of my co workers want to go and do on time off. Many parents want to go but can't risk taking their kids.
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lindalou65 Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 10:30 AM
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42. Right on!
He is so very correct!
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jeaps Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 10:32 AM
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45. I agree
How can anyone look at the numbers and not know that the 99% are finally waking up to what the 1% are doing.
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cmd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 10:33 AM
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46. I long to be there
but I have health issues that keep me at home.
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oldhippydude Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 12:26 PM
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50. yes I'm limited
by my oxygen.. but can e-mail and talk.. and as important we VOTE.. I'm truly amazed at the young folks who ask about the 60's
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 10:45 AM
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47. More like a few BILLION,
as this is a WORLDWIDE movement!
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demigoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 12:24 PM
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49. yes, I support them in spirit
have to be home, caregiving.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 12:32 PM
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51. When I opened this thread, I thought the commentator would have said the opposite
that for every protestor, there are thousands of silent majority types (the Nixon argument against Vietnam protestors) who oppose them but hold their tongues. I'm pleasantly surprised that someone in the media recognizes and broadcasts this obvious fact regarding the vast extent of OWS support. It's made my morning.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 12:32 PM
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52. That is absolutely true. My whole family support OWS but for one
reason or another cannot take to the streets. Great statement.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 12:37 PM
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53. Occupy Wall Street Favor Fading
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2011/11/occupy-wall-street-favor-fading.html

The Occupy Wall Street movement is not wearing well with voters across the country. Only 33% now say that they are supportive of its goals, compared to 45% who say they oppose them. That represents an 11 point shift in the wrong direction for the movement's support compared to a month ago when 35% of voters said they supported it and 36% were opposed. Most notably independents have gone from supporting Occupy Wall Street's goals 39/34, to opposing them 34/42.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 01:04 PM
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57. Official pollsters and repeaters attempt latest counter-attack...
In this difficult moral universe, when I try to distinguish right from wrong, I always turn first to opinion polls to tell me and other Americans what "we" supposedly already think about it.

Do they ask how many of these people have seen pictures of demonstrators being clubbed and pepper sprayed? Have been to one of the camps? Can name the issues and demands stated on three or more of the protesters' signs? Alternatively, how many are watching and believing the lies on TV and in the tabloids?
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 01:04 PM
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58. Polls can flip on a dime...
OWS is not about culling favor in polls.

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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 01:17 PM
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61. That's a remarkable amount of support
What'ss 33% of the U.S. population? 100,000,000 people? 100,000,000 people in the world's seat of capitalsim support efforts to bring the banksters to justice.
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 01:13 PM
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74. That poll is extremely suspect
I'm hearing the exact opposite. People who were against OWS are starting to support it because of the police brutality. Sane Americans don't like to see other Americans abused.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 02:48 PM
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75. What you are hearing anecdotally is less reliable than a scientifically conducted
Edited on Mon Nov-21-11 02:51 PM by totodeinhere
poll by PPP, a Democratic polling organization by the way. People tend to disbelieve polls whose results they don't like and believe polls they do like. I guess that's just human anture. And I bet if I posted a poll favorable to OWS people at DU would be fawning all over it.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 01:07 PM
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59. Lot's Of Horn Honking In Denver
yesterday - even though they are ticketing some for doing it.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 01:12 PM
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60. Wow, the MSM actually said that? Bravo! nt
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 01:45 PM
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62. This is true. I work three jobs, 15 hours a day, 7 days a week
if I were retired or unemployed I would be there.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 01:49 PM
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63. How should those of us who can't be there show our support aside from letters?
Bumper stickers? A mask hung on our door? A particular flag? Many counties won't allow political signs outside of an election season, so what sort of symbols could we use to make our support for OWS known?
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 01:55 PM
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64. Me.
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tropicanarose Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 01:56 PM
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65. He is 100% right. Thousands upon thousands of people for every protestor
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 01:58 PM
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67. tens of thousands!
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 02:01 PM
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68. yes!
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 01:09 PM
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72. that's obvious based upon the views on the live streams
Literally thousands of people are watching, even if they can't be there. Lt. Pike also did a lot for the movement with his callous pepper-spraying of cowering students - even people that didn't support OWS before are pissed at the police brutality, and I'm starting to hear more people openly discuss the US as a police state.

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